Jonah

No need to apologize. If I can't reply to one of your queries, assume that I am stumped 🙂

Would someone clarify this section. "And in addition to your testimony, the testimony of three of my servants, whom I shall call and ordain, unto whom I will show these things, and they shall go forth with my words that are given through you. Yea, they shall know of a surety that these things are true, for from heaven will I declare it unto them. I will give them power that they may behold and view these things as they are; And to none else will I grant this power, to receive this same testimony among this generation, in this the beginning of the rising up and the coming forth of my church out of the wilderness- clear as the moon, and fair as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners". What power did the 3 servants have that the others did not?

I have not studied that, but I think you are over-complicating things to the point where one cannot understand what a 'king' or his 'kingdom' could represent in Revelation 17.

Before our conversation, I never contemplated Satan and Jesus being the two cherubs above the mercy seat as you seemed to indicate previously. I looked at Ezekiel 28. I have seen some view the King of Tyre as the embodiment of Satan. "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee". There is no specific mention of what he covers, but a mercy seat could be an option before he fell and if there was a mercy seat before he rebelled against God. In the scripture, there are multiple cherubs. Genesis 3:24 "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life". In this passage, I see possibly 4 cherubs (guarding the north, south, east, and west directions). Then we have a description of the mercy seat. Exodus 25:20-22 "And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be. And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel". I don't see two cherubs of unequal glory/power or one evil cherub (Satan) vs. one good cherub (Jesus) in that passage. Another thing is that the cherubs are winged creatures, have four faces, and their wings make quite a bit of noise (Ezekiel chapters 1 and 10). That's why I don't believe Satan (an angel) and Jesus (God) are the two cherubs over the mercy seat.

Scripture is silent on who was at Heavenly Father's left and right hand before Satan and Jesus are said to have been born to heavenly parents. But I don't believe Jesus was ever a cherub. Exodus 25:22 (esv) says "There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you about all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel" Is this your reference to Satan and Jesus being the two cherubs?

I believe that those ten kings of Revelation will be ten future leaders of some kingdom that they will obtain from the beast for a short time. The title of *king* can include Prime Ministers, Presidents, or whatever term the beast uses to title them as.

Revelation 17 mentions ten kings, without a reference to toes. Are those ten kings a reference to ten *kings* or does it represent leaders with various titles (such as Presidents, Prime Ministers, Kings, Sultans, Royal Highness, Queens, etc)?

If you have no idea when Satan was seated at God's left hand, how can you make that statement that he was ever seated at His left side? Was that just speculation based on some theory Jesus and Lucifer were both angels before Jesus became a God? As for Satan being referenced as a god of this world, it is not a sarcastic reference. Moses was also referred to as a god to Aaron. But in these cases, god does not mean deity; it means someone who is regarded as a powerful ruler. Unique doctrines ... yes. I have noticed some of them reading the online website manuals. Possibly the biggest one is the teaching that Heavenly Father was once a man who became a God. But some of your beliefs seem particularly unique when I speak in person to some other LDS missionaries. It's not a criticism, just an observation.

If the US$ ever loses its reserve currency status, it's hard to predict how high gold and silver will go.

McCain picking Sarah Palin back in 2008 was not a good choice as Obama-Biden went on to victory. But the Republicans eventually came back.

When do you believe Satan was first seated on God's left?

I agree too that it is difficult to figure out who the 10 future kings of Revelation 17:12-16 are; that will give their allegiance to the beast before they battle with the Lamb.

Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? Possibly a soil or rock boundary that limits where the waters of the sea could go. Some imagery, especially in Ezekiel and Daniel, is difficult to understand.

What type of being are winged cherubims and seraphims?

Alma 13:3 says "Men are called as high priests because of their exceeding faith and good works" In the Old Testament, were men (of non-Aaronic descent) ordained high priests due to their faith and good works to serve in the Temple? I need some clarification on verses 3 and 7-10. Were Old Testament high priests members of the high priesthood; the Melchizedek Priesthood?

In Job 38:7, who are the morning stars that are singing together while all the sons of God shouted for joy?

I found some teachings on the church's web site and from another site (from a former Catholic who became a Latter-day Saint). https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/gs/angels?lang=eng There are two kinds of beings in heaven who are called angels: those who are spirits and those who have bodies of flesh and bone. Angels who are spirits have not yet obtained a body of flesh and bone, or they are spirits who have once had a mortal body and are awaiting resurrection. Angels who have bodies of flesh and bone have either been resurrected from the dead or translated. http://www.catholicldschristianity.com/angels_and_satan.html Elder Bruce R. McConkie describes five specific types of angels in his book, Mormon Doctrine (1979 Bookcraft, Salt Lake City, Utah, 35-37): 1] Pre-existent Spirits: These are the spirits of those who have not yet come to the earth. 2] Spirits of Just Men Made Perfect: These are the spirits of those who have lived righteously on earth, have died, and are awaiting their Resurrection. These individuals are referred to as “just men made perfect” (Heb 12:22-24). The visit of Gabriel to Zacharias and to Mary illustrates this kind of being. 3] Translated Beings: These are translated beings that function as angels, as was the case with the appearance of Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration (Matt. 17:1–3). The Apostle John was translated and became a ministering angel (John 21:22-23) 4] Resurrected Personages: These are resurrected beings that serve as angels (Matt. 27:52-53). The appearances of Moroni and John the Baptist to Joseph Smith illustrate this type of angel. 5] Righteous Mortal Men: These are holy men living on earth that are occasionally referred to as angels as they act as ministers for God such as those that appeared to Lot to warn him of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 19). From my Catholic faith, we believe Jesus Christ created the angel Lucifer. In the LDS faith, are there angels who are beings but who are not procreated in a union between heavenly parents? Did any of these angels join Lucifer in his rebellion?

Isaiah 7:14 says "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." Israel at the time this prophecy was given did not resemble Israel at the time the prophecy was fulfilled. According to the way you explained what you believe Isaiah 2:1-2 is, it appears you would also consider the woman at the time of the prophecy to be different from the woman in whom it was fulfilled. Your whole basis of how things are when prophecy was given is now skewed where the past and the future circumstances and/or culture are different. Those 10 kings do not pertain to Judah and Jerusalem. "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful". Do you believe the 10 future kings are 10 presidents/prime ministers of some European nations?

This is some future time, but it concerns Judah and Jerusalem.

Isaiah 2:1-2 is a word concerning Judah and Jerusalem, not America or Europe.

The cross became the earliest symbol. I believe any rituals and / or practices which they practiced are spoken of in scripture although some arose later out of human traditions. Several components of the Old Testament system became incorporated into the Roman Catholic system. Priests, garments, some washings, the altar, incense, and the holy of holies (where the eucharist is kept until it is needed). More is described here http://www.vatican.va/content/vatican/en.html http://catholicfaith.co.uk/ Politics became intertwined with religion in the Roman Empire.

Hope this extra helps ... The Old Testament system is described in the Old Testament. All the rituals are mentioned therein. 1. The major physical and liturgical elements of the Old Testament involved the various animal and grain offerings. Baptisms and marriages were not performed in them. 2. How did a person participate in temple worship? The people worshipped God with the help and leadership of the priests through sacrifice. Festivals (dedicated feast days) and sabbaths were also defined. Gentiles had a specific area where they were permitted to go. There was also a court where women were permitted to go . (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_the_women) / https://www.bible-history.com/jewishtemple/jewish_templethe_womens_court.htm 3. No one was saved by participating in temple worship but through faith apart from works - but it pointed to the eventual coming of the sinless Lamb of God. 4.How did temple worship change for the New Testament church? Did any elements continue? From what we know, the disciples continued to meet at the temple for worship for prayer, praising God, and evangelism (Acts 2:46-47). The temple as the place of worship later primarily became the home church. Apart from this, I don't believe any other element (rituals/sacrifice) continued. New Testament Christians were not a temple-building people since individuals became the temple of the Holy Spirit. Earthly high priests were not required anymore since Jesus is our only High Priest.

While the New Testament disciples met at the temple on some occasions, there was no temple worship per se. There were no marriages or baptisms performed therein. It was primarily a home-church type of moment. That's why the New Testament Christians did not build temples when they became dispersed to other areas. The Old Testament temple became an individual (a temple indwelt by the Holy Spirit). With Jesus as High Priest, the people did not need an earthly priestly system anymore.

If that was possible.

What are the major similarities between the Old Testament temple and the LDS temple in regards to how women (via rituals) draw near to God?