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This is what I was referring to. Though I am not LDS, I understood by this that sons who are not listening to Him and are not doing what is needed, delay going Home. This is 100% true.

I am not talking about in this substandard, current world.. I am saying that she is His core of Love, and as mother provides the very nature of Eden. Just as in your home, your wife provides the love and nurture which is the female attribute and you from that home base, go out in the world and make things happen for your family. You provide executive male functions and she provides the nurture and love by which you can make a pretty world for her. It's a family description. He and She are God, Adam (s) and Eve are the sons and daughters in God's image, elohim, there is the trinity, the three of them. Adam as represent of all the sons and daughters and being the son He, Christ came to save. He (Michael/Christ - God) speaks and creates from that love. So He does not create ex nihilo and he does not create from existing stuff... its the fallen pantheon who create by existing materials that way... giving materiality as the result...He creates from Love itself, and postulates reality, brings it to be, and makes it palpable. That is creation... and the very way that new souls of Him come to be as well, by the word of God and from Miss - not by material sex..which is a lower form of creating. As for Adam as deity, yes, because we are speaking of three generations. He and Miss, Adam and eve, and then all the millions born onto this earth (who were not in Eden), since that time. Adam represents all the 144k to be saved souls and to rule with Christ. Since the sons who are with adam are not all doing as Christ wishes, then yes, adam is still deluded working for the other realm, and remains fallen in that sense. An LDS poster above said something similar, about how those who do not do as God wishes, preventing all from Going home. That is true. Sorry if I misphrased that poster. I am going to find his post and quote it here... because I don't want to misrepresent his opinion.

I don't know how to multiquote yet. I'm sorry. You were referring to what I said about the 144k attributes stolen from He and Miss. I know it does not make sense. Imagine that part of your very being and soul was taken out of you and because of that you are alone. Adam was part of God, and was taken out of God. Remember in scripture where eve was the rib taken out of adam?

Yes they were there, of course they were... having been attempting to create reality of their own, which is the dualism realm of good and evil.

I would just say that they were not upon 'this earth' as we understand earth now. Also while the version of the fallen pantheon (satan etc.) was that they were tending garden... I would not agree... but after the fall, adam was tending theirs, and growing their plants. Most of the OT involves the other world, and not this current earth... I am not referring to adam upon the current earth, but in the other world, and he is still there, and so is eve. Factually, the other realm, of the fallen watchers, had been attempting to create material humanoids and were there. Eden was planted in their very midst, and was of an entirely different calibre and nature, of which they were jealous, prompting the plot to make Eden fall.

okay. I didnt know how to do that. I will see if I can edit my other response.

Oh, I was talking about in the other world... Adam as His represent, who fell, not Adam upon this earth = us.

Im sorry if what i wrote was confusing. i think of Christ and miss as connected to adam.... Adam represents His sons, currently in the state of having been separated from Him , having been reduced to this world.

i will ponder and reply. thank you.

Christ is He, God. Miss is His wife, also God. At the fall the enemy pierced eden, (per every ancient text, especially hieroglyphs, cites available) , taking from her the sons as hostage (144k of us, the originals of eden = adam.) Per hieroglyphs and all ancient texts they use us as hostage, when by the fall they separated us from Him. We are adam as ‘son construct’ although Adam is also He, leader of 144k, Christ (He is Michael, not the evangelical version of jesus). We are here for a reason, to win back from Him attributes that satanic realm took without permission. But, spelled.... and therefore most christianity (as adam) doesn’t realize about miss or He and follow the roman-evangelical version. since we are adam (sons and daughters) and we will be restored each to deity, then, we are in fact until the company is complete - working for them in their substandard material realm, and in a lower type of ‘body’ than intended. The satanic realm (deities but deities not agreeing to His version and proceeding to try to sway adam to their cause still) made His sons to fall, and succeeded because we are innocent! Possibly God allowed this.. somehow necessary as a war tactic to get back from the satanic enemy what it stole from Him previously. i wouldn’t say this substandard earth we have now was His plan... Its hard to explain in brief. I couldn’t really do so yet.

she is incapable of evil. being God she didn’t need to eat of it. She is God and mother of all. The enemy tricked her into it... and she could have had sons without eating of it. but satan wanted to have sons and confused her. Female is the core of Him but male provides Context to her. Why was she left alone to make that mistake?

Adam (and eve) are the only Gods i know of, and talk to and have met personally. and eve is the mother of all. Adam did go astray from His own father , don’t know if that was needed for a reason, which is why we are in the current type bodies. He will be restored. Adam leads the 144k at the Change. He is the man child.

oh yes. i could see that about the op and didn’t like the evangelic tone. i got confused by that...

it means leaving this world, and suffering many trials... because this world is hostile to Him. Let me tell you how i met Him. I had been for years living as an agnostic, i guess that being the modern word for heathen... before i met Him, first i met the enemy ...That was in 2002 or so... but he masked himself as very beautiful... yet being so utterly cold and harsh at the same time.I had confused that deity , who is His adversary, with Christ. Then fastforwarding, i continued more empty years until it all came to an end and I met Christ. And understood how i had confused things. I will try to write that out in the next post.

can you explain what you or lds understand by ancient of days? okay. i didn’t know that’s anti lds what i wrote. Also i think i figured out i should post in the other forum since this is for lds?

Of course I would not bicker or argue... But I dont fit in with anyone here I guess....

And I still need to learn what the different sections of the forum are about. I am guessing that some forums, though the topic interests me very much are just for lds?

I took it off..I realized it was not a good idea. I'm new and didn't really know what to do and I'm reading again the rules. Thank you for the reminder. That verifies for me what to do. Right after I posted I got the feeling, or realization, that it wasn't a good idea and took it off.

i havea a site with a researcher, where posted are his incredible translations of prophets and scripture.. don’t know if i’m allowed to post that here or if only on my profile. He reads and translates rg veda, hieroglyphs, and hebrew and has done so much work for the 144k, and posted there our page on pittman and his nde.

yes it’s true the demonic realm is all around. i never had a near death but all my experiences with Him were in dreams and visions He showed... And indeed this world is not his. Howard Pittman’s nde is one im very interested in.

I can’t take the Survey, since my answer would be that the temple asked about in the question (upon this earth) is not scriptural. His temple is to be restored but not in this current earth . Prophets are clear on that when scripture is translated correctly.

I take salvation to be by each soul, not by religion... not every soul simply from following a group, is utterly true to Him. Many will go with Him when we are saved from here.... many no one would have expected to see, when Christ separates His wheat from the rest...

Im not evangelical; Salvation to me is when the Change happens, (rapture but not evangelic version), that His 144k sons go home and are restored to the glorified body of eden, as adam had before the fall.... since adam was created in “our image” said God, and the term image is elohim. I’m not excluding the girls, only that male is the legal carrier of the attribute... while the girl represents the attribute. so together the 144k are both of them. Christ legally undid the fall...but de facto with His help, the sons will now. Every soul of His prophets and those who can hear Him all through scripture, are His but they couldn’t know about the scroll not yet unsealed (then) and they will all be with Him after the Change who are His. Just as after the change the 144k will return to this earth and bring many millions more to Him. Eden is being restored, that is what many call new jerusalem. We cannot imagine, because the modern mindset, what incredible close relation He had with His prophets.... who could see the other world and the war there, and told of our day today. I don’t know what those you mention receive... but i know that all who are His, since this altered history began at the fall, will go Home soon and reign with Him....