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1. Plenty of scriptural examples of the first one. 3. There is some increase in the frequency of stronger earthquakes ie the ones the News would be interested in:)

that I don't agree with most gay/lesbian people I know have noticed differences before their teen years typically between 6 and 10, they may not understand what it means then but the conflict starts much earlier. And many people around them pick up on it very early - how many times has a Father in particular been known to say he doesn't want his son having namby pamby ways?

CS Lewis uses a phrase in some his books - it is for us to know only our own story, we don't need to know God's to know him. How many of us know our Earthly Parents background perfectly? I certainly can't relate to my Grandparents backgrounds.

What the article seems to be saying is its often children being treated badly. As a result in this case most of the sinning is on the other peoples part. My experience with gay people is limited to just a few people but they seem to be less likely to be sexually active as teenagers because they need to figure themselves out and its more problematic approaching someone.

I agree whether or not they were married I do not know but they were clearly closer than anyone else, at least from that gospel, she was confident enough in her relationship with Jesus to tell Peter he was wrong.

so I am not getting your point say your Bishop that you cited had suffered PTSD due to childhood bullying because of differences he had no control over - how is it his fault? If the violence was during their teenage years a good number of those people in the survey would not have acted upon their feelings at that point, they may even not be aware they are gay or are aware but trying to push it away

Actually I think sometimes Latter Day Saints are so busy looking for the bad we miss the good. We have nothing to fear if we follow the commandments and listen to the Lord. Around us much good is happening, we have individual prophecies etc I have situation in my life where the Lord has promised terrible calamities on my enemies but it doesn't matter its for him to do and me to get on with my life.... I know what he has prophecised is going to happen Around us everyday the Lord works miracles, its much easier to miss them.

I think its simple something the past few months has taught me - we start speaking out and saying bullying is wrong no matter who its being done to

What about those who are gay or lesbian and are not breaking the law of chastity? not sure what someone who is gay or lesbian but who does not have sex outside of marriage is doing to warrant the lack of the Holy Ghost? I know of a couple who remained chaste throughout their teens, they were still bullied because they were different and still had to deal with the trauma. Tell me what eternal law are they breaking? Being attracted to members of the same sex or revolted by the idea of sex with a member of the opposite sex does not automatically make someone immoral, they are just as capable of controlling their desires which if anything makes them more conflicted than a person who can accept who they are

The Gospel According to Mary Magdalene this is the source used to suggest there was more to their relationship. Personally I hope the Saviour did marry and have a successful support there

They suffer abuse and PTSD Because they are Gay or Lesbian - being a gay or lesbian teen in our societies even without violence is traumatic in its own right, added to that people who decide to beat it out of them or who are disgusted by them. My best friend is gay, because of his size has never suffered any violence or seriously picked on, and his parents whilst he is not desperatly open with him are nice decent people. He's been gay all his life,,

:) hmm you against marrying someone you met on the INTERNET sweetie? Me too lol I met a real dodgy guy that way Seriously I met Gabelpa in a chatroom just after he got back off his mission in 1999, we chatted for 3 years and actually met up in person in March 2002, got engaged 3 days later in San Diego, and were married in August 2002. From my own experience I found it a much better way of meeting someone, we had 3 years where we had nothing to do but talk to each other and there was no danger of us seriously breaking the law of chastity. That 3 years of just talking, playing chess etc gave our marriage a bedrock that helped it survive some very difficult times. It also took away the physical side, I knew he was what I was looking for on every other level before I met him. You have to keep your standards, and decide what you are looking for, and take basic precautions when meeting up, meet each others families before you make a decision. Yes you could pick up a bad apple, but you can do that at a church dance, in someways with a long period of just talking that is harder to do. I know the man I met was the right man for me, he is gentle, kind, loving, a great Dad an all round lovely man, think the girls in his YSA ward were nuts for not fancying him. He's a bit geeky but thats his worst fauit.

Iceland had been a bit Biblical this year:)

ahh ok apologies then, it was group dating that was encouraged but was about the more you dated the more rounded a marriage partner you would be

it was in the Laurel manual about dating - it may have changed its been nearly 20 years since I had anything to do with YW but that and the one about shaving legs wound me up lol

not sure why it should be offensive its the same spirit - I feel Holy Ghost in places other than Latter Day Saint buildings and with teachings from other churches. These are from the Ensign LDS.org - Ensign Article - Islam and Mormonism—A Comparison LDS.org - Liahona Article - A Latter-day Saint Perspective on Muhammad LDS.org - Ensign Article - Ishmael, Our Brother LDS.org - Ensign Article - A Life among Muslims LDS.org - Ensign Article - The Church’s Cross-Cultural Encounters LDS.org - Ensign Article - The Church’s Cross-Cultural Encounters

There is only one God anyone who is sincere worships Him no matter what their religion, for me the one tning we have is the Melchzedek priesthood - that is what makes it the true and living church, its what binds families together, it achieves miracles with little ceremony etc...... however there is a reason we are taught to take the good in other religions and we can increase the Holy Ghost in our own lives by studying them Plus being a Latter Day Saint you can see how every other religion came out of ours.

who wants to be married at 21 lol enjoy being single, nothing makes a more attractive man and a betetr marriage than someone enjoys their life at whatever stage they are at I had very few dates before I married and I got a good guy who I am incredibly happy with, I know the church YW manuals suggest you need to date loads to be happy personally I disagree you need to know what you want out of a marriage partner, and not compromise, and just like the person you are marrying

I was 18 but I am in the UK - does it matter if he doesn't go to college/school or university? -many of the worlds most successful people didn't. Reading was never an issue with me I can do it for myself but I do find I take things in better with audio tapes or even TV, than in a book. Learning to take notes is important as it helps him remember. Have you read much about President Heber J Grant - I am fairly sure from the reading he had Dyspraxia, or something similar and he is my inspiration, everything he did, he did of his own bat with a lot of hardwork and would go from struggling to the very best. You already know your son is not inside the box learning wise your gut has told you that since he started preschool:) I personally feel if you think outside the box yourself when teaching him you and he will be much happier and he will learn more. Just because he is slower doesn't mean he is unintelligent, because my writing was slow I was always the kid left behind to finish, but my intelligence allowed me to run rings round some of the top Professors at university. I can work out the speed of a black hole etc I can't play tennis well but its fun, my writing is incredibly neat. Don't take this the wrong way its not meant nastily but Dyspraxia and similar conditions have a very specific mindset, you comparing and what sounds like disappointment in him will be the very thing that holds him back that pressure will be what stops him because he is doing it for you, and he needs to do it for him, you are a good Mom and doing your best, but if he is to allowed to find out how his condition works for him then it will become an advantage. I was very lucky my Mum taught me how to learn for myself rather than how to be taught, which means school was a waste of time academically. Maybe spend some time looking at different schooling methods and go more with his interests. I know its frustrating my daughter doesn't do things to my timetable either, but have discovered boring her into learning works very well lol I never intended to unschool entirely but I stopped any formal learning about 6 months ago and she had come on in leaps and bounds since. Her reading has come on when I have said ooh thats interesting lets look that up in a book, or ooh lets write a list to do our baking (your son is older but appealing to his interests, he can read, write and do arithmetic whilst learning about them - if he likes science he can learn equations that way) There is a brilliant book How to Talk So Your Kids Will Learn by Adele Faber and Elaine Mazlish. Can he meditate>? I find learning to relax my mind and focus it through breathing is the best thing. Also might be worth reading up on Feldenkrais Method or Alexander Technique, there was a quote on my Facebook account yesterday which I think is wonderful an anxious mind cannot exist in a relaxed body. Other book I love is Racing Alone by Nader Khalili its about a top architect who designed skyscrapers who dropped it all to work on environmentally friendly buildings in the Mojave Desert, there is a lovely story about his son Dastan who was racing older children in the park he kept coming last and was getting disheatened, in the end he said Daddy I want to race alone, so his Dad counted him off and he was a lot longer this time but came back with leaves and feathers he had collected and a great smile on his face:)

try taking the pressure off completely for a time and see what happens - I have dyspraxia (I think sensory processing disorder is along similar lines), my writing got quicker and neater and my Maths became good when I was allowed to work at my own pace, I got to college and all of a sudden it didn't matter how long my work took it was upto me to organise it, I could take time I needed. How is he when he does the work verbally? Why not do the maths as it relates to nature We mostly unschool so its different

it wasn't spinning it was a misunderstanding based on a badly worded post:) glad you clarified. Noone has said ignore your Bishop thats your spin, but as a Mother or Father you are also entitled to your own revelation and when it concerns your children you are the ones Heavenly Father will give the most revelation too

Plus Willow and her husband are entitled to greater revelation over their daughter than their Bishop is hence my current situation where I know my daughter was hurt by someone, and it did not become abuse because it was stopped, and my gut screams its bad for her, that is from Heavenly Father and my branch president is wrong.

although I am not sure about who said not to listen to the Bishop? although right now not listening to mine wouldn't ordinarily recommend it

I kinda thanked figured thirding would be a bit much:) but yes I got the same message from that quote maybe it just needs expanding, but like Gwen I have to been sorely deceived into using love and compassion whilst not condoning :)