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Admittedly I am showing both personal and cultural bias. I was a late bloomer at 16. Culturally I also think there is a good case for being prepared for motherhood and it's responsibilities...educationally etc. Self-reliance is needed for: jobloss, death of spouse and so on. In an ideal world things would work idealistically. However, they do not. However I can see the influence on countries and laws where the population is shifting and I think you may be right. Edit: I agree with Elphie on the fact that it hurts little girls. This is not a factor of low nutrition causing complications...girls that are not physically developed enough will not fare well.

Age of consent in Australia is 16. With some variations according to state: in some being under the care of a person (teacher, religious leader etc) makes it illegal for the under 18s; is defensable in some states if the child was 10 and the offender was no more than two years older. In the US it appears to be 16 and in quite a few states older (e.g. Arizona); it would appear to be the same ruling in most states of the USA for girls. I checked, expecting that it would appear as 14 far more frequently...apparently not. In most cases it is stricter than in Australia. If you consider the age of menstruation as a sign of sexual maturity (hardly the case for an 8 year old) this may be as late as 16. The law is the law regardless of cultural, traditional and biblical historical practices or your personal religious beliefs. To suggest not following the laws ...lacks wisdom. Are you suggesting that we base our morality on the fact that we are superior to them and answerable only to God's superior laws which you understand to include a good case for an age of consent of ten or was it 14?

Statistical research has revealed grave consequences of early motherhood for the health of girls. The most harmless diseases of young mums are serious erosion, ovarian dysfunction, and accompanying system diseases, to name a few. Their infants also have poor health manifested as low birth weight, compromised immunity, and propensity for allergic reactions. The babies are bottle–fed from the very first days of their life as teenage mothers tend to have lactation problems. Maternal mortality among teenagers is 5 to 8 times higher than among adults. One in every ten women who dies when in labour is under 20. The younger the lying-in woman, the higher the risk of maternal mortality. Source: Pravda Google child bride and fistula - I don't recommend it.

Illogical maths is part of the master plot *muahahahahaah*.

Turning it into fact families...mathematical formulas can be proved by following mathematical laws. Women = Time x Money 9=3x3 thankyou Traveller ; ) Does 9 dived by 3=3 women : sharing parts of your time results in an equivalent amount of money women: sharing parts of your money results in an equal amount of time returned. Everything is square. Wouldn't that depend on their number? If it's not a perfect number woman then you may end up with less either way. If women also equal time squared is time the root of all evil? If your dealing with an imperfect number woman then time will not equal money. 8=4x2 4=2 but doesn't equal 4 squared or 2 squared. With a woman that is not a perfect number and you will end up with repeating time or money as your answer...without perfect success or getting an evil outome. Furthermore keep in mind that regardless of the starting number woman time and money are always of lesser value to the woman and the problem doesn't start until you begin to formulate ways of making it equal. ; )

I find it bothers me...the whole idea of supporting a death penalty. It won't ensure repentance. It won't change the 1000 years. And, they may be innocent (some have been). A voluntary aspect to it also chills me in that it is alike to suicide and the penalties of that are ....

The medication is a window of opportunity sometimes. They're not learning. They frequently don't have friends. Social skills are difficult. They can't read situations when distracted. Adults and kids are exhausted just being around them. They can hyperfocus on problems, particularly social ones with no resolution, just a looping of confusion and emotional overdrive. ADHD may go hand in hand with something else: behavioural disorders, psychological, autism spectrum etc. This can make things fairly complex. Intensive early intervention programs and strategies in place can help. An interesting and stimulating learning environment can be more than they can tolerate and very distracting or without effect. Hands on learning activities do not necessarily lead to learning. The learning that is taking place by others can be affected: the class falls behind and significnant time is lost. Some days are better than others. Various strategies can assist. THe medication has side effects: sickness, sleeplessness and sometimes worse etc. Medication is not always effective. Sometimes I am surprised by children being diagnosed. But since overdiagnosis is a current theme getting a diagnosis of ADHD isn't all that easy. I don't pretend to be a doctor. I just work with what I have. It's just one of those things. Teachers are fine with it: medicate or don't medicate...the learning environment is adjusted to meet needs and that's what you do. It's out of your control. Going home and sleeping in a state of exhaustion after intensive days goes with the job. Sometimes it reduces what you can physically do as a teacher. There is no doubt that you will need a vitamin tablet LOL. You will be tired BUT On the upside they have that extra battery. They can hyperfocus on things with great persistance. They enrich things...but other people may not necessarily be able to maintain energy levels to join in with them. Since it's the great plus of having adhd, sometimes this part is a sad loss with medication. On the other hand, the attention deficit can lead to safety issues. My friends nephew and a family relative both had adhd and were injured before they hit 15 and will be brain damaged for life. One playing on a railway line and another crossing a road. Both parents decided against medication and were using natural alternatives and parenting strategies. It breaks my heart. I cannot judge parents who do medicate and I cannot judge those that don't.

Answer to question one about the time frame for repentance: From whenever they died+1 1000 years Among those at death who are assigned to hell are the heirs of the telestial kingdom and the sons of perdition. These spirits will remain in hell, or spirit prison, suffering “the wrath of Almighty God” until the millennial reign is over. (See D&C 76:106.) At that time, they will be resurrected in the last resurrection, the resurrection of the unjust. (See D&C 76:16–17, 81–85; John 5:28–29.) Do murderers go to Heaven? Elder McConkie wrote that even most murderers will come out of hell, or the spirit prison, in the last resurrection to live in telestial glory: “When the Lord paraphrases the language of Rev. 21:8 in latter-day revelation (D&C 63:17–18 and D&C 76:103–106) he omits murderers from the list of evil persons. Their inclusion here by John, however, coupled with the fact that only those who deny the truth after receiving a perfect knowledge of it shall become sons of perdition, is a clear indication that murderers shall eventually go to the telestial kingdom, unless of course there are some among those destined to be sons of perdition who are also murderers.” (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3 vols., Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1965–73, 3:584.) WHo ministers to those in Spirit Prison? 86 These are they who receive not of his fulness in the eternal world, but of the Holy Spirit through the ministration of the terrestrial; 87 And the terrestrial through the administration of the celestial. What then happens? those in spirit prison go to terrestrial or outer darkness those in terrestrial inherit a renewed terrestrial earth celestial go to the celestial I think?

Edit: Read Kamperfoelies post and reorganised as I sometimes say things in a scattered way. Pondering repentance of murderers and their chance for redemption in the last days... And what about those that have less time in spirit prison...? Tangents: but connected to the idea of redemption and it's course: responses after reading a link from Skalenfehl on Worms: So...what kind of bodies will they have in Spirit Prison....? And ummmmm, when the LDS go into share the gospel prior to the last judgment...what will that be like? I'm still having problems with picturing them witnessing in hellfire, but it might be one of those questions that don't have an answer.

FYI: 14th May 2008 Control area for bee mite extended south - New Zealand rural news on Stuff.co.nz The current situation. Pesticides not being retailed due to concerns. Relocation is the only option. New Zealand is in a bit of a bad situation...they're native bees aren't good pollinaters at all. You do realise that honey isn't the problem. We can do without honey. It's the little thing called 'food' we will miss most. How long will your food storage last LOL. As an aside: (Bees are teensy and insecticides the balance between killing varoa mite and bees is rather delicate...suffice to say that the bees will die before we die from pesticide contamination from bees...therefore the varoa mite is becoming resistant to pesticide options and they are pretty well,,,on their way to useless and in most places already useless. “It might not only be the varroa mites attacking the bees themselves, but actually the mitecides that are used to protect the colonies from the mites,” says Hackett. A quote taken from below. Brownfield Network: Honey bee deaths still 'a serious issue' However cheer up. They've found some genetically resistant bees to varoa mite in New Zealand. In Australia we have the blue banded bee, which is a natural buzz pollinater...comparable to bumble bees. However honey is nice.

Whether money goes to a business or as a direct income does rather seem to be splitting hairs. It has pretty much the same effect on the widows.

I didn't understand what Elder McConkie was saying there when I came across it earlier. Thanks for that.

Laura - my questions come from investigating baptism of the dead as I didn't understand why the ordinance was performed and that meant I hit a few other questions along the way with further reading on just what would happen to those people in spirit prison. As I am not LDS this helps me to understand the significance of this ordinance ...does that make sense? So understanding spiritual progression and exultation kind of came into it.

Justice I'll try and hunt them down myself, I have a difficulty with working out what is official and what is personal revelation...I came across the idea of a celestial kingdom on earth but not sure how that fits into the millenium timeline.

Quote: There are people who have been in Spirit Prison since the time of Adam The description of that, with a great gulf separating, and the release of the people from the Bosom of Abraham...sounds different to Spirit Prison.

quotes: So here is the deal. I believe that regardless of what is in a person’s past – if they want to be a saint, do what saints do and be responsible as a saint is responsible – they belong in heaven. I also believe that regardless of what is in a person’s past – if they do not want to be good – making fun of anyone that is good for any reason – they do not belong in heaven. But more than anything – if anyone wants a G-d and a kingdom where they are taken care of; do not have to lift a finger for their own salvation (or anyone else’s) then Satan and Hell is their perfect match. And yes – it is a choice – and from the posting – many have made their choice. The Traveler *sighs*

I did ; ) read that part. So is spirit prison the same thing as outer darkness? I'm just thinking of the Saints going out there to talk to people and I find it hard to comprehend.

They had not been converted.Anti-Nephi-Lehis ? Did I read that right?

Is spirit prison the equivalent of Outer Darkness...and this is where the righteous will minister?

I believe that The Death Penalty thread looks at differing beliefs on this.

Would that mean that you would be sealed to more than one person?

Well said Ogre.

What about those that choose to marry and are divorced and can sealings be absolved?

From what I understand there is a belief that repentance in this life with due penalty is required?

I'm a bit confused on this one too, but I have been studying and thinking...the baptism of the dead thread lead me to take a deeper look at the plan of salvation and to find out more.