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Have not seen much of my wife this week – not much chance of a tiff. Just thought I would share some Bible insights with the forum. As a side note - ancient Hebrew did not have any punctuation that can cause misunderstanding. As an example punctuate the following to give the best understanding: “Woman without her man is nothing.” Here is another one. Ancient Hebrew often had no spaces between words so how should we understand the following? G-disnowhere. The Traveler

It has occurred to me that there is in scripture an answer to every question. The following scripture proves that there cannot be any women in heaven – And for that matter some men as well: Revelation 8:1 The Traveler

Guess that disqualifies most the women in the church Women? I had specifically worded that post in your behalf :) LOL In truth I believe it applies to us all. Few it is that receive councle from G-d with joy and celebration. I love the line in fidler on the roof that went something like "Can't someone else by your chosen people once in a while?" There have been a number of things that have taken me years to learn to accept without whining. The Traveler

A few years ago I was of vacation in Mexico visiting some archeological sites when I met a Mayan archeologist named Jose Octavio Davila Morals. He also claims to have discovered the Hill Cumorah north of Mexico City near the East coast of Mexico. He is LDS. There is a book published titled “The Lives and Travels of Mormon and Moroni” by Jerry L. Ainsworth. That is based on Jose’s findings. I would be most interested if there is any relationship between these two claims. Jose is native to Mexico and the area of the Book of Mormon and has spent over 50 years finding Book of Mormon sites and has many exciting stories. It would appear from Kevin’s post that the two hills are not the same - Jose’s being in the north and Kevin’s being in the south. The Traveler

How was he perfect without sin and the only one? How did that happen? We are all brothers and sisters, zillions of us. Yet not but one is perfect? There are thoughts which say we have different comings, such as the Adam God idea. It seems that it must be true if Christ was perfect and we were not. Don't you think? How else can you explain his perfectness? We have come to believe in our day that "perfect" means without flaw or shortcoming. Anciently perfect meant something else (see Matt 5:48 Be ye there perfect....) Perfect here has to do with covenant. Perfect in covenant means to complete all the covenants. There is two parts to completing a covenant. First is to willingly accept the covenant without whining. Second is to prove through a trial or test that one is loyal and worthy of the covenant. That is all there is to being perfect. In Matt 5:48 the reason Jesus could not use himself as an example is because when he spoke he had not completed his conventual trial. That would come later when he have himself as a sacrifice (atonement). You will note that in the Book of Mormon Jesus does offer himself as an example in that he had completed his coventual trial. Let me give an example. Whenever a discussion about keeping the Sabbath holy comes up most people start off with a list of do's and don't's. But the problem I have is that often the do's and don't's are not really related to covenant. I always ask "What is your Sabbath covenant?" What promise do you have with G-d concerning your Sabbath activities? If you talk to a Jew or Muslem about Sabbath covenants they have a very clear understanding. For some reason most Christians seem to be clueless and would rather argue about do's and don't's and tell everybody else what they are doing wrong. This then brings up the whole strain at a nat and swallow a cammel thing. In truth telling others what is wrong with them will not help perfecting one's own covenant. I believe this is one of the main things Jesus taught - that is to be right with your covenants before you even think about correcting others. Thus the command for those without sin to cast the first stone - or the command to be perfect. Many think it is difficult to be LDS - but you know what? Our covenants are really quite easy and simple; even little children can be loyal to LDS covenants. It does not require a university degree to love G-d or your neighbor and that is all it really boiles down to. Since most of us have some problems the LDS is church (kingdom and priesthood) set up to help us become much more service orenited. So you see, being perfect is not going home teaching or vesiting teaching every month - it is learning to love others through service by covenant. And the nifty thing is when you figgure out a mistake - you just repent and correct it. The system is both easy and fail safe. Therefore perfect does not mean that you never stumble - it just means that when you stumble you just get up (repent) and move on. The Traveler The Traveler

Do you think that those changes were made under the guidance of the Spirit? or just by the writers so that people did not get confused about the Trinity beliefs within the church? I just feel a little suspicious of changes being constantly made to the BoM, it sort of makes it less likely to be an inspired book if it constantly needed altering. The first edition of the Book of Mormon was made by making a printers manuscript which was a copy of the original. The printers manuscript was a hand printed copy. This was then taken to the printer’s from which the type was set and the pages printed. The original copy was hidden in the grave of Joseph Smith and mostly ruined. Our RLDS/CofC friends have what is left of the original manuscript. If this part of the manuscript was ruined then we will never know if the original printed text was a misprint or correctly transcribed. Perhaps our RLDS/CofC friends can clarify this for us since they brought up this point in the first place. The Traveler

I think that "Only Begotten of the Father" means that Jesus Christ is G-d the Son and is conceived and begotten by the Father. Because Jesus was begotten of the Father he was not in the fallen state that man is. Because he was not fallen he would not need to be purified. He resisted sin and therefore remained the only Son of G-d. Because we are fallen we have lost our legal claim as a Son or Daughter of G-d. We must be made pure before we can be in G-d’ presents ever again.I believe perfect means to covenant and remain faithful through a trial or test. When I test an automated system I will perform functional test to determine that a system will perform the correct functions in the proper sequence when everything is happening as it should. But I will also perform what are called anomaly testing. This is when we introduce failures or problems into the system to determine how the system will identify problems and recover. I believe Jesus was tested in much the same manner. Because he completed his trial or test by remaining faithful as a G-d he then became the Father of our covenant salvation. This then gives us an inheritance and the only way to the Tree of Life. The Traveler

The first member of the G-dhead is known as our Father in Heaven. There is a notion from scripture that G-d the Father is also the father of our spirits and that we can also properly address this member of the G-dhead as our Father or G-d the Father. When the fall occurred all men lost direct access to G-d the Father. It is my personal belief that after the fall all the spirit children of the Father were (according to the plan of salvation) separated from G-d the Father and Jesus became the only mediator. Now back to official doctrine, as I understand it. According to covenant Jesus and the Holy Ghost were not separated from the Father through the fall as were all the other spirit children and as such Jesus could be thought of as G-d the Father’s only appointed son and heir. This is because when man fell all our rights and treasures of heaven were lost. Therefore we no longer have any rights as children of G-d the Father. Now review D&C 84. Somewhere around verse 30 to 35 it talks about the oath and covenant of the priesthood. It explains that by and through this covenant we become the “children” of Moses and Aaron. Moses and Aaron received their blessings in the priesthood through Jesus Christ who mediates all blessings of heaven for man. Under the covenant, Jesus is the only G-d that can save us from the fall, which is the separation from heaven and our heavenly birthright and treasure. By accepting Jesus as our only mediator he becomes our father through the covenant of adoption. Though he is not our spiritual birth parent he becomes our legal father by adopting us through covenant and making us his heir to restore to us all our heavenly blessings, rights and treasure. I have attempted, without success, to convince our Trinitarian brothers and sisters that they have misunderstood the mission of the Christ in not realizing he is the only remaining son and heir that offered himself (his complete infinite self as a G-d that is the Son of G-d) as a sacrifice to save us. Under the covenant of his sacrifice he becomes our father. Everything Jesus does he does in the name of G-d the Father. This can seem a little confusing because he becomes our Father in the name of G-d the Father of our spirits but he remains subordinate to and lesser than G-d the Father even in becoming our adopted father in the covenant. Therefore Jesus is the Son of G-d in that he did not fall but remained with the Father as his heir, when man was “cast out”. And Jesus is our father because he has adopted us as his legal heir that we might have a legal inheritance in heaven. Therefore in the great plan there is justice in that all legal demands are met and there is also mercy in order that man is saved from the fall where by we all have came to know good from evil by mortal experience. The Traveler

You are so right about rocks. Three times I have attempted to climb King's Peak. All three times I have been involved in getting someone out that broke a foot or something in the bolder field. One time it took us all night in the dark. But I must admit only one was a scout and he was not part of our group. I have given up on King's Peak - I do not like the bolder fields - someone else can have that fun. The Traveler

Triangles of life and surviving an earth quake. Most of us have been taught that if an earthquake occurs to seek protection under a desk, table, doorway or some other protection. As it turns out experts are now saying these types of precautions can cause more death than lives saved. The reason is that standing objects tend to get crushed flat. Being under something getting crushed is a death trap. The concept to save your life is what is called the triangle of life. By lying next to a standing object like a desk or file when the standing object is crushed there is a space of protection next to the object in the shape of a triangle that has a much higher chance of surviving. For example when the last earthquake hit in San Francisco there were several car on a double decker freeway that collapsed crushing the cars and the people inside. Had the people gotten out of the cars and laid on the ground next to the cars that were crushed there was space in which they could have survived. Another important clue to survival is to seek a triangle of life as close as possible to an outside wall. Thus if you are trapped it is easer to get to you for emergency crews. You are also easer to find and locate for search and rescue unites (dogs). The Traveler

Having posted in the scouting thread I thought it might be fun to review some idea of survival. The first concerns having a heart attack. I hope none of you will ever need this, but somebody you know may. Don't forget the aspirin! Keep 3 adult aspirin in an easy, squeeze open container in our cars, on the sun visor. Grab them and chew and swallow! Aspirin is known to save lives in event of heart attacks; it acts similarly to the drug they give heart attack patients in the ER. I also have a label on the container saying "Aspirin 30 grains" so any paramedic finding us would know what we have already taken, this is important. Do this and then start coughing to get the heart beating good and hard and the aspirin circulating. CPR on Yourself Let's say it's 6:15 pm and you're driving home (alone of course), after an unusually hard day on the job. You're really tired, upset and frustrated. Suddenly you start experiencing severe pain in your chest that starts to radiate out into your arm and up into your jaw. You are only about five miles from the hospital nearest your home. Unfortunately, you don't know if you'll be able to make it that far. You have been trained in CPR, but the guy that taught the course did not tell you how to perform it on yourself. HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE Since many people are alone when they suffer a heart attack, without help, the person whose heart is beating improperly and who begins to feel faint, has only about 10 seconds left before losing consciousness. However, these victims can help themselves by coughing repeatedly and very vigorously. A deep breath should be taken before each cough, and the cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing sputum from deep inside the chest. A breath and a cough must be repeated about every two seconds without let-up until help arrives, or until the heart is felt to be beating normally again. Deep breaths get oxygen into the lungs and coughing movements squeeze the heart and keep the blood circulating. The squeezing pressure on the heart also helps it regain normal rhythm. In this way, heart attack victims can get to a hospital. The Traveler

Thank you Mr. Duck: I like your story and your troop. There are two important things concerning scouting activity. 1. Accomplishment - I think it is important for boys to learn to accomplish something as a team and not as individuals 2. Fun - I believe that regardless of what else happens if the boys did not say, "this is fun" the activity failed. One time on a backpacking trip into Big Elk Lake in Morehouse (Uintas) I had a younger scout fall several feet playing on a rock outcrop. The boy was bleeding from his shoulder and they sent for my help. I yelled for all the scouts to grab their first aid kits and we would see who could figure out how to stop the bleeding first. We could slow it down a lot with direct pressure but could not stop it. We were two days from civilization. So I told them we had to figure out how to close the wound and I produced some dental floss and a curved needle from my personal first aid kit. I showed them how to do stitches like on a baseball but I could not get any boys to try so I did it all myself. When we got the boy to the doctor a couple of days later the doctor could not believe how bad the stitches were. When I told him these were my first he said they were not that bad and showed me how to do two sets of stitches so the scar would not be so bad. The point was that I tried to make the accident an achievement opportunity and give the scouts a chance to learn never to panic and have fun doing it. The scar is still a joke. My scout says to this day that the great lesson he learned is not to let Brother M. loose with a first aid kit. This boy is now a paramedic. The Traveler

Thought I would share some of my favorite scouting stories. Every year in the spring we would go up Big Cottonwood Canyon and take a trail over to Little Cottonwood Canyon. This was a one-night two-day backpacking adventure. I planed it to insure we would encounter plenty of snow and mud. After dinner during our night in the mountains we would gather together while the boys complained about the snow and mud. I would tell them that we always made this hike early in the spring to avoid the giant spiders. I told them that a couple of years back our camp was attacked by a giant eight foot spider that came right down some rocks into our camp. Most of the scouts were scared and ran off so I ended up fighting this giant all by myself. And I killed it right over there. (pointing to a spot) The new scouts would not believe the story and say there is no such thing as giant spiders. The older boys would tell how they were there and remember the spider and the panic it caused. Some of the other scouts would tell that there was more then one giant eight foot spider and they and their patrol and killed one as well indicating where they had made their stand. Finely some of the new boys would look worried and ask, “Are there really giant eight foot spiders?” I would answer – of course did you not know that all spiders have eight feet? Great tradition. One of the great scout camps is camp Lowe (spelling) that borders on the southern end of Yellowstone National Park. I love this camp because the boys learn how to deal with bears in the wild. (There is another great story that deals with bear boxes in trees) Anyway I had taken several boys (eagle scouts) that had become varsity and explorers along and most of our boys at the camp were older. This gave us an advantage in the competitions – I believe it is a lot more fun to win competitions. We were the #1 troop at the camp but the staff also competed and bragged that they had never been beaten by any troop ever. Our troop was close and the rest of the troops at the camp started cheering for us. On the last day of the camp there was a “wilderness Olympics”. It came down to the final Olympic event that was a relay. The relay team carried a match that they could not get wet because at the end of the relay the match had to light. The relay included a 25-yard swim in an ice-cold lake, then a canoe, across a rope bridge and other obstacles and finally a one mile foot race to the finish where the match was lit. We had our team already. I then pulled one of my boys aside in secret. I told him I did not care if we beat the staff or not but I did not want them getting all the glory. So I gave him a match and sent him up the final trail and told him when he sees someone coming to take of and get to the finish first and light the match. If we get disqualified that would be fine but it was time to bring the staff down of their bragging high horse. His eyes light up and he assures me he won’t let me down. Everything worked according to plan. At the end of the race my boy was a few yards a head of the staff boy. Crossing the finish line my boy lit the match and the whole camp went nuts and a spontaneous chant started among all the scouts chanting the staff had lost. The staff was complaining we had cheated and there was complete chaos. One of the staff was complaining that we had hid someone on the trail but I just acted like they were poor losers. Finely I asked why they thought we had cheated – how could they know. The responded “Because we had someone hiding along the final trail and there was no way anyone could have been in front of our guy unless you were doing the same thing.” More cheers by everyone for out troop. At the final awards the staff honored our troop as the only troop to out cheat the staff and take the competition. It was great and the funny thing is that to this day no one remembers who really won the relay. The Traveler

I do not believe that there are things going on now that were not going on 50 or 100 years ago. I do believe that elements disruptive to families and family life are more accepted in society and that such things are more available and considered less wrong. When I turned 16 and went on my first date with the family car, I took my date with some friends to see a movie (Land mark theater in Orem Ut.) We left the movie half way through because we felt it was not supportive or our values. This same movie was shown (uncut) on TV the other day and I watched it again and could not identify anything that was offencive. Not only has my personal belief been effected through intertainment - it has happened without me realizing. The Traveler

From Mafia to Mormon An easy book to read. It is obvious that the author is not well educated and lacks a Harvard vocabulary. My guess is that he dictated the book that was then heavily edited. It reads more like he is speaking at a fireside than it does a book. The book is a rather interesting insight into the dark world or organized crime. One message that I was impressed with is that regardless of where you are in life – the gospel of Jesus Christ can transform you from whatever you are to a saint and yet the individual personality still remains. The book is simple and easy to read and but there is deep ideas that will allow any intellectual to ponder. It can be read in about an hour. I would recommend the book especially to youth. The Traveler

I agree that these are important issues and that the federal government can very quickly right a wrong. But I am not sure that using the force of the federal government is the only way (or even the best way) to combat racism, and profound ignorance among a free and democratic people.Although the federal government can act swiftly and can appear to create massive social change I am still opposed to the exercise of excessive and unnecessary power. For two reasons. First I have confidence in democracy and government for and of the people. Second I do not have confidence in other forms or methods of government. There are many issues to which I feel impassioned. You and I have disagreed on one that I can think of but there is no single issue that I feel is more important that the will and voice of the majority – even when and if it is wrong. It is possible to educate the public and bring about change but once a minority is entrenched in power – even when they came by it justly – only a bloody revolution and the loss of many good and needed lives can right a ship listing or sinking with totalitarianism The Traveler

Interesting point - however both Jesus and the Pharasees were Jews and of the same religion of Israel under the law of Moses. The activity Jesus stoped in the temple was not part of the law of Moses. Under the law of Moses the Pharasees could not complain because the money should be handled by the tribe of Levi. You may argue that the acts of Jesus are the same as the acts of the anti-LDS except the anti-LDS do not ever come to the Salt Lake City Temple to worship. Jesus came to the temple to worship but the activities of the Pharasees were preventing or disrupting proper worship as defined in the law of Moses. Now I know you may want to argue that the Pharasees have the right to worship as they wish which is correct. You may argue that some anti-LDS worship by disrupting LDS worship - I will not argue that ether. However, I still believe that anyone that attempts to disrupt someone else's worship in the USA is a threat to freedom and a traitor to constitutional law. Personally I do not want to be around those types. And I do not care if they call themselves LDS or not. The Traveler

I'm still trying to get a handle on just what an anti-christ is supposed to be. You seem to change the definition with each post. This last post makes it sound like you think an anti-christ is someone who annoys you--tells you what your religion teaches or doesn't teach, or someone that is rude and obnoxious--interupting meetings or weddings. Sounds like the anti-christ is really just an anti-social. Your postings on anti-christ, if you will read back thru them, have such vague, generalized and varying descriptions that make "keeping up" very difficult. I'm not really sure you, your self, knows what this anti-christ thing means. You just implied that anyone who attempts to subvert the 1st amendment right to assembly is an anti-christ. Can you be SPECIFIC as to WHO you think is the anti-christ that is doing all this disrupting? BTW--if one disrupts a Buddist meeting, does that make one the Anti-Buddah? Perhaps your problem is that you do not understand what Christ is supposed to be. One principle of the Christ and those that follow him is a great respect for other people – even those that you do not agree with. For example: “Do good to those that hate you” and going the extra mile. Anciently the Pharisees were not anti-social but they were anti to the teachings of Christ – that made them Anti-Christ. For the large part those that oppose the LDS are not anti social. You keep saying they are that but I think you have lost your marbles on this. Most anti-LDS belong to some religion (social organization). Belonging to a religious organization would exclude them from being anti social. Am I talking to a wall here? How can you think someone to be anti-social when they belong to a social organization? Hello, is anyone home? I have given some examples of anti-Christ behavior. I think my examples are very clear as well as consistent. Someone that lies is a liar. Someone that absconds things that do not belong to them is a thief. For the record I have offered the idea that someone that intends to disrupt demonstrations of kindness and love (example marriage) is anti to the teachings of Love expressed by Christ. I have also suggested that preventing peaceful assembly (or attempting to prevent peaceful assembly) is anti to the specific freedom expressed in the 1st Amendment of the constitution of the United States of America. If someone allows most other religions to peacefully assembly but they target a specific religion to prevent that religion from peaceful assembly this is not anti social. The correct word is BIGOT. You asked “if one disrupts a Buddist meeting, does that make one the Anti-Buddah?” Yes I believe it does. I also believe it makes them part of the Anti-Christ movement as well. “Do unto others {Buddhist} as you would have them {Buddhist} do unto you.” The Traveler

In Georgia the state added to text books used in public school a sticker that said evolution is a theory. This last week a federal judge said the stickers must be removed. I see this as a direct assult on freedom and rule by democracy. The stickers were placed by elected officials. They were removed by federal judges that are appointed. I do not think the federal judges should rule against the will of the people or when states have president (Article X). BTW the ruling by the judge compaired the sticker to "Hate speach". The Traveler

You may look at it that way if you wish. The LDS missionaries have a message. That message is centered around what we understand is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We do not teach our view of Catholic doctrine, or Baptist doctrine, or anything else - just our doctrine. I have studied many faiths and had long conversations but you will never see me post trying to tell anyone what Catholics, Baptist, Hindu or anyone else believes. In fact there is much they believe that I believe as well. You will not see my try to set a doctrinal trap. I am LDS and that is the gospel I believe. If you do not believe as I do that is fine. If you want to tell me what you believe that is fine to. I love to share beliefs. But I do not believe the Anti-Christ have a live and let live attitude. For example I think they will try to get into our general conference and shout something during sustaining. I think they will try to prevent the building of our temples. I think they will come to SLC to the Main Street Plaza and try to ruin someone's wedding day. That is different that just belonging to a different religion. But I do not like someone trying to tell me what I believe. Nor am I that interested in what others believe that hides their beliefs. If you have something better then put your beliefs on the table if not that is whay I think you would hide it. For example I think there is a lot of evidence to support the Book of Mormon and I do not mind sharing it. But if some says that it does not prove the Book of Mormon to them. That is fine with me - until they use similar kinds of evidence to support something they say they believe. Then I realize I am not talking to someone that is honest with themself. I am not sure if you believe in the “last days” or not. I do not know if you believe that there is followers of the Anti-Christ among the Christians (wolfs in sheep clothing). In fact for all your post that I have read I am not sure what you believe (this topic included) – I think I have a good idea what you do not believe but then I am not sure. I am quite sure you do not comprehend my posts, especially on this subject. I am not sure if you know what you believe. Sometimes I think we could learn from each other but other times I am not sure that would be desirable. The Traveler I'm still trying to get a handle on just what an anti-christ is supposed to be. You seem to change the definition with each post. This last post makes it sound like you think an anti-christ is someone who annoys you--tells you what your religion teaches or doesn't teach, or someone that is rude and obnoxious--interupting meetings or weddings. Sounds like the anti-christ is really just an anti-social. See #5 of my post beginning this thread. Please pay more attention and try to keep up. BTW I could say the same about Hitler - he was just a little anti-social when it came to Jewish society. Do you not understand that the defination of anti-social is not anti-social to certain socities but all society. When someone is anti to specific socitey and not others that is not anti-socal that is the defination of a bigot. Do you believe there are among men those that seek to undermine the worship and reverence that others would express? Do you believe that the constitution (first ammendment) allows for peaceful assembly? From your post it appears to me you think the counstitution is a joke and should be ridiculed. The Traveler

I would say your assesment is 100% correct.The Traveler

I have been a scout and a scoutmaster. Most LDS members do not understand the patrol method for teaching leadership because most ward young men programs are two small and only the 12 and 13 year olds are active scouts. Part of the scouting program is geared to rewarding boys for achievement – many think LDS boys should not need reorganization and rewards – they should be good for nothing. Scouting is not just about awards (advancement) and camping it is about teaching leaders that are trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, cheerful, alert, mentally awake, morally straight, clean and reverent. It is too bad that most wards do not have a real scouting program. I remember going to winter campout competitions and telling my scouts that these things are a lot more fun if you blow away all the competition. We spent a month just getting ready. For starting a fire without matches we built a bow over 6 feet long to be operated by 2 scouts. We built a brace with a small log about 8 inches in diameter that took 4 scouts to hold. Once the bow and drill were started we could have a fire 2 feet high in 15 seconds. We did not even care if our wood was a little wet we could still start a fire faster than anyone else. The boys were all sharp and when we showed up everyone noticed. Everything was by the handbook. The tents were set in perfect rows, the boys would scream as we brought in our equipment and set up. The goal was to have camp up in 5 minutes. Of course we always won first place amid the claims that we cheated. I would respond by saying if being prepared to compete is cheating then we were diffidently guilty. The boys would tell me this is the most fun they had ever had in their life. It has been more that 15 years for some but still many of my boys come back yearly with their wives and children for a week of camping and white water rafting. Often it would be the first camp their wives had been on that they would admit they loved. Last year one of my boys showed up with his wife and kids – their youngest kid was 2 months old (of course the little kids are not allowed on the river). I can’t imagine someone not liking camping or scouts. I would tell my scouts there is no such thing as bad weather – just bad equipment, bad preparation and bad attitudes. You don’t dream in scouts – you live your dreams. The sad thing to me is that some of the fathers of my boys never came on any campouts, never really got involved and complained about having to buy uniforms or other equipment that the boys would soon grow out of. It is too bad that most LDS boys do not really get to enjoy the scouting program. Today we are seeing this great institution under attack from greedy men that desire to bend boys to more modern morals. I am concerned that in our society there are more men of twisted morals interested in our boys than men of character that love the adventure of teaching boys the rigors and adventure of growing up with honor as a boy scout. The Traveler

Let me begin by saying that I am and engineer and scientist. My education is in Mathematics and Physics. Currently I work in the Automation and Robotics industry. I believe that G-d is the creator and that the best and most accurate description of creation in layman terms is evolution. I know for a fact that evolution exist and is the method from which a zygote eventually becomes a human child at birth. Evolution is the process by which a child grows and becomes an adult and evolution is the process at work in that we call ageing. Every person that was conceived by fertilization, developed in a womb and born of woman is created through evolution. I do not believe that G-d has changed his method of creation and I do not believe the scriptures support any such notion that G-d has modified his methods or ceased to be the creator. I believe the doctrine of creationism that excludes evolution is both junk science and junk religion. I believe that evolution should be taught in school as a fact of life. As vehement as I am about evolution it is my opinion that the federal court judgment in Georgia is unconstitutional, dictatorial and totalitarian. It is proof that the United States is not a free country and that our republic democracy has failed and is being replaced by a government that caters to the desire of a totalitarian power hungry minority rather than a government based on democratic principles and the rule of law. Article X (ten) declares that powers that are not specifically granted to the federal government belong to the States. Education is a power not granted to the federal government under our national constitution and therefore is a power of the State. By the rule of law, what is to be taught in public schools is to be determined by the state that is empowered and authorized by that public – regardless of how stupid or brilliant the curriculum is, it is determined by the state and is under the jurisdiction of the state, state courts and elected state officials not ever by federal courts or federal bureaucrats exercising unconstitutional powers. I will add one last observation. The method used by radical insurgents in overthrowing the inspired and enlightened government of the Nephits in the Book of Mormon was by corrupted judges issuing verdicts catering to a powerful minority contrary to the established rule of law. We are now observing and experiencing the beginnings of the same scourge of radical insurgent judges and others in the legal profession of law, destroying our freedoms by deliberate calculation. For people that would be free, the end never justifies the means because it is by the means of freedom (not by forcing any end) that the will of the people (their freedom) is respected and preserved. Can the will of the majority bring about ill effects in society? Without question it has in the past will again in the future - but not anywhere near the degree that government by the will of any minority, which always bring about the ills of totalitarianism. The Traveler

You may look at it that way if you wish. The LDS missionaries have a message. That message is centered around what we understand is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We do not teach our view of Catholic doctrine, or Baptist doctrine, or anything else - just our doctrine. I have studied many faiths and had long conversations but you will never see me post trying to tell anyone what Catholics, Baptist, Hindu or anyone else believes. In fact there is much they believe that I believe as well. You will not see my try to set a doctrinal trap. I am LDS and that is the gospel I believe. If you do not believe as I do that is fine. If you want to tell me what you believe that is fine to. I love to share beliefs. But I do not believe the Anti-Christ have a live and let live attitude. For example I think they will try to get into our general conference and shout something during sustaining. I think they will try to prevent the building of our temples. I think they will come to SLC to the Main Street Plaza and try to ruin someone's wedding day. That is different that just belonging to a different religion.But I do not like someone trying to tell me what I believe. Nor am I that interested in what others believe that hides their beliefs. If you have something better then put your beliefs on the table if not that is whay I think you would hide it. For example I think there is a lot of evidence to support the Book of Mormon and I do not mind sharing it. But if some says that it does not prove the Book of Mormon to them. That is fine with me - until they use similar kinds of evidence to support something they say they believe. Then I realize I am not talking to someone that is honest with themself. I am not sure if you believe in the “last days” or not. I do not know if you believe that there is followers of the Anti-Christ among the Christians (wolfs in sheep clothing). In fact for all your post that I have read I am not sure what you believe (this topic included) – I think I have a good idea what you do not believe but then I am not sure. I am quite sure you do not comprehend my posts, especially on this subject. I am not sure if you know what you believe. Sometimes I think we could learn from each other but other times I am not sure that would be desirable. The Traveler

I have never made an agreement that I would stay with an employer for the rest of my life or for eternity. I did make an eternal agreement with my wife. I did agree with my employer that I would give 2 weeks notice before leaving. I have always kept my promises to my wife and employer As for when I was dating - I remember asking someone to an evening activity but I do not recall making arangements more than a day by day basis. I never understood the steady boy friend - girl friend thing. That was until I got engaged. I think there are some differences between dating, courtship, engagement, marriage and excepting employment but I think a person should always be good for their word and true to their commitments. The Traveler