gullom Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I wouldn't completely trust the Wikipedia article. Notice none of the citations at the bottom of the article specifically mention anything about the Miller Lite commercial? Likely someone added that notation, because they assumed that the person in the ad WAS Kirby Miller (which it might actually be) without actually looking for any written confirmation of it.Benji Schwimmer's (winner of the second season of So You Think You Can Dance, who is LDS) Wiki article used to say he was a cousin of David Schwimmer (ala "Friends").You are probably correct that someone took the liberty of updating Heyborne's profile.What does the cousin of a TV celebrity have to do with Heyborne in a beer commercial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenamarie Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 You are probably correct that someone took the liberty of updating Heyborne's profile.What does the cousin of a TV celebrity have to do with Heyborne in a beer commercial?I was giving an example of inaccurate information appearing in people's wiki articles. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gullom Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Drug smuggling is illegal, drinking isn't. There's a difference. Commercials are where you start out as an actor (or end up), and if this is what he has to do to put food on his table while waiting for a higher paying gig, so be it. I'm not going to start drinking because a Mormon was seen on a beer commercial.This is why I'd like an official statement from Kirby. I'd like him to honestly tell the LDS general public if it was a matter of prayer, or just an instance where he was approached with a large sum of money and took it.He's making residual income every time one of his movies/CD's are bought/played on TV. I highly doubt he's hurting for money. So I think the argument "he needed to put food on the table" falls flat on it's face.::EDIT::We all know the Lord set the rules and will tell people to do rather unorthodox things: Nephi beheading Laban, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gullom Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I was giving an example of inaccurate information appearing in people's wiki articles. :)Ah, got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Mormon Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 This is why I'd like an official statement from Kirby. I'd like him to honestly tell the LDS general public if it was a matter of prayer, or just an instance where he was approached with a large sum of money and took it.He's making residual income every time one of his movies/CD's are bought/played on TV. I highly doubt he's hurting for money. So I think the argument "he needed to put food on the table" falls flat on it's face.I'm not privy to his financial situation, which is why I said IF, so I don't know whether he needed the money or not.Why should he explain himself to you or the LDS general public? It is between him and God, if it was him to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gullom Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I'm not privy to his financial situation, which is why I said IF, so I don't know whether he needed the money or not.Why should he explain himself to you or the LDS general public? It is between him and God, if it was him to begin with.Obviously he doesn't have to. However if people didn't pay to see his acting talent, he'd be nothing. Yes I know they didn't pay to see just him, but he plays a big part in the movies he's been in. I saw RM, because of him. His acting talent, mixed in with a decent story line, was the reason I watched RM.I think he owes it to those that have spent their money to see him. So, again, he doesn't have to, he doesn't "owe it to us." But where we are the ones that fuel his bank account, I think it would be at least courteous to those that put money in his bank account to explain why he has done something that is a complete 180 from the previous projects he's done.That'd be like your CEO asking everyone to buy a product from the competition, you'd definitely want an explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenamarie Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Because the LDS general public is the source of his bread and butter (well, and I guess Miller too). It's nearly his entire fan base. And not only that, but he speaks at Firesides. The LDS youth look up to him as a roll model. Would you want your youth attending a Standard's Night fireside where the speaker willingly accepted money to appear in a beer commercial? Kirby is in a unique place, compared to most other members of the church. I'm not judging his status in the church, that is between him and the Lord; but as far as his acting/singing/fireside appearances career goes, the right thing to do would be to offer an explanation for this rather inexplicable change in the types of rolls he's accepting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadenq Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I also saw the commercial during the game last night. I thought it was him so I ended up rewinding it two or three times. I was pretty sure it was, so I went to wikipedia and searched under his name and found out that it was him. How sad is that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbs2763 Posted June 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I also saw the commercial during the game last night. I thought it was him so I ended up rewinding it two or three times. I was pretty sure it was, so I went to wikipedia and searched under his name and found out that it was him. How sad is that!wiki is not the best place for solid info...i can go in and edit anyones wiki page so can you, you dont even have to register Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_C Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 (edited) Hey Y'all,The commercial is here.Kirby discusses his choice to be in the commercial here.You may be surprised to know that the other guy in the video probably wasn't really a friend of Kirby's but may have been an actor, and all those people at the party were probably actors just pretending to be at a party. I have my suspicions that the whole thing was fake. If anything, non-LDS should be protesting that an actor was used in a beer commercial who doesn't actually drink beer. When they show him picking up the beer from the cooler at the end of the commercial, my natural assumption was that it would soon be broken over someone's head.Frankly, I'm not sure what is wrong with him being in the commercial. I've never been taught in Church that I shouldn't be in beer commercials. I've worked at restaurants where I had to serve alcohol. I've worked in retail where I had to sell alcohol and cigarettes. I've known several LDS businessmen or stockholders who profited handsomely from the sale of coffee, alcohol, cigarettes, or pornography in their businesses, and it didn't seem to stop them from going to the Temple, or being called to serve in leadership positions. No one ever expressed the slightest reservations about my job unless I had to work on Sunday.I could see the problem if Kirby identified himself on camera and endorsed the product. But he is an actor, and playing a "character" in the commercial. That's what actors do. They pretend as if they were someone else, and they say the words or do the actions that the director tells them to. If that is too confusing, Ian McKellan gives an introduction to acting on YouTube here. I'm glad Kirby has found work; most actors in LA don't. I hope the beer money comes in big and lasts a long time. Edited June 12, 2008 by Marty_C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KosherXMorg Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 At least it was a beer that tastes good and not an "Old Milwaukee" commercial... yuck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Xzain Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Well, I'm greatly saddened by his decision. I cannot empathize with a situation where one is having hard times supporting one's family, but I wonder if there was absolutely no other way he could get by without doing this commercial.Whether he identified himself or not is, in my opinion, not the issue- the issue was that he willingly appeared in a commercial for a product that is strictly against the teachings of the church that he has, in some small way, come to represent. Rich or not, he does have popularity in the church community- with serious responsibility on him to uphold the standards.When I searched for 'kirby heyborne miller lite' on Google, I already found people maligning him and the Church. Wolves are waiting for the smallest scrap of imperfection within the Church membership and they pounce, ravaging the situation (and the people involved) to pieces.I hope he doesn't get too marred too much by this... He's got a wife and two kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbs2763 Posted June 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 At least it was a beer that tastes good and not an "Old Milwaukee" commercial... yuck!lite beer is good?? back in my drunken days i'd avoid that unless it was free....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbs2763 Posted June 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Hey Y'all,The commercial is here.Kirby discusses his choice to be in the commercial here.You may be surprised to know that the other guy in the video probably wasn't really a friend of Kirby's but may have been an actor, and all those people at the party were probably actors just pretending to be at a party. I have my suspicions that the whole thing was fake. If anything, non-LDS should be protesting that an actor was used in a beer commercial who doesn't actually drink beer. When they show him picking up the beer from the cooler at the end of the commercial, my natural assumption was that it would soon be broken over someone's head.Frankly, I'm not sure what is wrong with him being in the commercial. I've never been taught in Church that I shouldn't be in beer commercials. I've worked at restaurants where I had to serve alcohol. I've worked in retail where I had to sell alcohol and cigarettes. I've known several LDS businessmen or stockholders who profited handsomely from the sale of coffee, alcohol, cigarettes, or pornography in their businesses, and it didn't seem to stop them from going to the Temple, or being called to serve in leadership positions. No one ever expressed the slightest reservations about my job unless I had to work on Sunday.I could see the problem if Kirby identified himself on camera and endorsed the product. But he is an actor, and playing a "character" in the commercial. That's what actors do. They pretend as if they were someone else, and they say the words or do the actions that the director tells them to. If that is too confusing, Ian McKellan gives an introduction to acting on YouTube here. I'm glad Kirby has found work; most actors in LA don't. I hope the beer money comes in big and lasts a long time.i dont blame the dude for taking a paid gig.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 You cant blame him, thats what he does for a living. I think its worse to supply in room porn in your Marriot Hotels as an active (VERY) lds member than being in a beer commercial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I wonder how much money he would've made if he approached his fans to help his family get medical care for the year? He could've made t-shirts and sent them out for each person that gave $20. It could've said, "I helped save Kirby from being in a Beer Commercial." Oh wait, I think that's been done before... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubaloth Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 I just saw a story of it on the news. Thanks for the link to the commercial. I really don't know how I feel about this. I'm trying to take this into light of raising a family. (Which I don't have) On one hand, he didn't break any commandment. He probably is trying to branch out, but at what cost. I assume he probably does some public speaking (maybe not that much), What do you teach members about beer? Don't use it, but if you need to look like you are using it for money, do it. I guess what kind of bothers me is how he is trying to help the beer company (which I believe is wrong) to make money. Its really like me being a beer sales man. I buy the beer, and I sell it to everybody else for profit. I'm not breaking any commandment, but I not really help others keep the commandments? I guess that’s it! Should members of the church watch out for the rest of the world? Should I push values that I don’t agree with? That’s tough! It’s a matter if the price is right! I do fear this might come back to bight him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KosherXMorg Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 I noticed the mention of Marriott putting access to porn in their hotel rooms has been ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateHowe Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Marriott's controlling interest as a company is no longer held by the Marriott family. As far as the Kirby issue, I am disappointed to say the least. It's hard to make ends meet. I get that. I'm a musician. But why can't Kirby bite the bullet and take a job (gasp!) OUTSIDE ACTING if he needs some extra cash? How many other LDS actors are waiting tables tonight for their extra cash? As an LDS musician, I wouldn't play a gig in a strip club. I wouldn't write a jingle for a beer commercial. I wouldn't take a role in a show like "RENT" because of moral objections and foul language. Do I need money? You bet. I'm a new dad with student loans. But there is a word for using your talents for purposes you know are wrong: prostitution. Kirby Heyborne has sold his talent for a cause he does not claim to support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truegrits Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 My thought, if I were making such a decision, would be "How much is my honor, my integrity worth?" I think the money from the beer commercial would not even come close, for me.I am not judging him, though. That is obviously what HE felt was right for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 I noticed the mention of Marriott putting access to porn in their hotel rooms has been ignored.and its still ignored. go after the easy target, the guy in the beer commercial - oh no! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenamarie Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 and its still ignored. go after the easy target, the guy in the beer commercial - oh no!NateHowe addressed the Marriot issue, just a couple of posts above this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 I wonder how much money Larry H Miller makes from alcohol sales @ Jazz games? My good LDS neighbor owns a gas station, he sells beer there, (and cigarettes) - should he be disciplined? Thats why i'm glad that god will be the one judging us when that time comes, becasue if it were left up to some of you, nobody would stand a chance. -And as far as marriot? He has no control over the chain that bears his name? Come on people....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenamarie Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 This thread is about Kirby though, not people who sell alcohol or cigarettes as a part of their living. And I'm not judging him, just his actions, and how *I* might have handled it differently. Obviously, I'm not in his shoes, and if he feels the Lord gave him the thumbs-up to take the gig, then that's between him and the Lord. I still reserve the right to express my disappontment, from the limited knowledge I have of the situation, that he would accept a roll in a Miller commercial, when so many LDS youth look up to him, and will likely recognize him in the commercial. In no way am I saying I think his Salvation is at risk or anything like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pinkiwikisses Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 · Hidden Hidden I was wondering the same thing..:)Have you ever seen the movie "Sons of Provo"? Well, he's one of the guys in there. He also has his own album out...very good singer! :) Link to comment
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