Anti-LDS sites

[bert10]

Bytor

The internet is very important for many things. It is a blessing and a condemnation unto man.

<>It allowed the the whole gospel even what goes on into the temple to be made available to everyone. - Since they have the whole gospel on the internet as individuals we can answer their questions if the Spirit says so. - God knew that in the last days the internet would be used in this manner.

<>It will help separate people into groups and also be invaluable...in preventing people from joining the LDS church before they are ready.

<>Ex-Mos are doing great harm to the Church...for them as well as for the LDS it would have been far better if they had never joined in the first place.

<> The time of divisions are upon us...and the divisions that the true gospel of GOD brings is literally a gulf between those whose heart can be softened from them who have closed their heart to the Spirit of God.

Matthew 10:34 - Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Matthew 10:35 - For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Matthew 10:36 - And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Peace be unto you

bert10

I have had some interesting e-mail conversations with some Anti-LDS folks. Most notably Sandra Tanner. It is interesting that the so called ex-members never mention experiencing the Holy Spirit. In my dealings with Sandra Tanner she will never answer if she had a testimony or felt the Spirit. Her standard response is that the Bible warns us not to trust our feelings. My Bishop said we should avoid these sites like pornography. I understand his point, there are some very persuasive sites out their can definitely harm a fragile testimony. I am guessing that internet access has made missionary work much more difficult.

[Snow]

We're going to have to disagree about Mr. Palmer.

I read his book and heard him speak in a podcast interview and I judge his character quite differently.

I believe he is a honest and sincere man.

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An honest an sincere man who, while in the employ of the Church, spent 20 writing a highly critical tome about employer, all the while accepting a paycheck to teach the truthfulness of his employers claims.

An honest and sincere man who while employed by the Church used a fake name, Paul Pry to solicit feedback on his work, the name (Paul Pry) being associated with a newspaper in Joseph Smith's day that mocked and ridiculed the Church and "the golden bible."

An honest and sincere man who falsely claimed, in the title of his book, to be an "insider" in the Church.

An honest and sincere man who falsely claims that many ("near consensus") in the Joseph Fielding Smith Institute of Latter-day History share his views on the founding of the Church.

An honest and sincere man who goes out of his way to ignore sources, issues and scholars that conflict with his version of history, manipulates evidence and presents a very one-sides and inaccurate view of LDS history.

An honest and sincere man who stretches the boundaries of credulity in trying to craft parallels between the The Golden Pot and JS history.

etc, etc, etc.

Say - do you recall exactly how Grant demonstrates that Joseph Smith got access to the German The Golden Pot?

[rameumptom]

I agree with Snow. Grant Palmer did not show honesty in his efforts to discredit the Church. Had he left the Church, THEN wrote his book, he would have shown honesty. But to use Paul Pry as a pseudonym in order to write and obtain information was definitely a sign that he was taking a check from the Church, but really was against it. He was lying about this every time he signed his temple recommend after the interview.

[Moksha]

An honest an sincere man who, while in the employ of the Church, spent 20 writing a highly critical tome about employer, all the while accepting a paycheck to teach the truthfulness of his employers claims.

An honest and sincere man who while employed by the Church used a fake name, Paul Pry to solicit feedback on his work, the name (Paul Pry) being associated with a newspaper in Joseph Smith's day that mocked and ridiculed the Church and "the golden bible."

An honest and sincere man who falsely claimed, in the title of his book, to be an "insider" in the Church.

An honest and sincere man who falsely claims that many ("near consensus") in the Joseph Fielding Smith Institute of Latter-day History share his views on the founding of the Church.

An honest and sincere man who goes out of his way to ignore sources, issues and scholars that conflict with his version of history, manipulates evidence and presents a very one-sides and inaccurate view of LDS history.

An honest and sincere man who stretches the boundaries of credulity in trying to craft parallels between the The Golden Pot and JS history.

etc, etc, etc.

Say - do you recall exactly how Grant demonstrates that Joseph Smith got access to the German The Golden Pot?

You have nearly summarized the five FARMS articles about Palmer. I do know the retort for one of them: Grant Palmer's editor chose the title for the book, not Grant Palmer.

[rameumptom]

You have nearly summarized the five FARMS articles about Palmer. I do know the retort for one of them: Grant Palmer's editor chose the title for the book, not Grant Palmer.

Yes, that is the response given. However, while editors have a big say in the title, how many do you think have entire say in it? Don't you think Grant Palmer could have insisted on something different?

[Snow]

You have nearly summarized the five FARMS articles about Palmer. I do know the retort for one of them: Grant Palmer's editor chose the title for the book, not Grant Palmer.

So he says - he signed the contract, he wrote the book; it just won't do to say he isn't responsible for it.