Do you think these things are coming to pass.

[jimuk]

With all the trouble around the world at the moment, do you think we are in the times set out below in the new Testament.

Luke 21

1And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.

2And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.

3And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:

4For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

5And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

6As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

8And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

9But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

10Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

12But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

17And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

18But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

19In your patience possess ye your souls.

20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

29And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

30When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

31So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

32Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

33Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

34And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

35For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

37And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives.

38And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, for to hear him.

[bjshideler]

There were several things that were fullfilled in this chapter at the time of Christ and his apostles. However to me there are major items in this chapter that are not yet fulfilled.

1.) False Christs - There are many false teachers and prophets out there. I believe that there is a difference between a false Christ and a false teacher. Maybe it is not as huge as I think.

2.) Nations rise up against nations - It has been over 50 years since the end of World War II. There has always been skirmishes amongst nations throughout the history of the world, especially in the Middle Eastern part of the world. Most of the Christian nations of the world are at peace too. Another point is that there has not been a fundamental shift of national borders in over two decades.

3.) Heavenly signs - Unless my eyes are not opened to the signs in the heavens, I have not seen to many wonders in the heavens.

4.) Men full of fear - I think that most people are not fearful. They may be blissfully ignorant to what is going on around them. But I do not think that we are at the point where people are fearful.

Now these are just some thoughts that I had when I read the passage that you presented, and I have not studied deeply into the topic. I hope that my thoughts might be a somewhat useful.

[lostnfound]

stay tuned to that chapter as we see the endtime prophesy being fulfilled as we type this!

[Mykdiver]

What are you saying, we can type about it on here as it happens? We could I guess.

[skalenfehl]

Russia attacking Georgia could very well be the beginnings of what we read about in Ezekiel 38 and 39 about Gog (leader of a great army attacking from the north) and Magog. Russia (Magog) is directly north of Israel, right? Georgia just happens to be in the way. I still need to do some digging.

More from hethathathears:

http://www.lds.net/forums/preparedness/12003-iran-russia-discerning-signs-times.html#post212465

[Hemidakota]

We need to remember also that John also used that term - GOG & MAGOG - a battle after the millennium.

[jimuk]

Thank you skalenfehl for the link, that made great reading.

[Mykdiver]

Agreed, thank you for the link.

[georgia2]

HAve you heard about the hundreds of witnesses in Texas about a month ago that saw many unexplained things in the sky? HUNDREDS of people saw UFO's. Then there was many multiple sightings in Arizona several years ago where people actually have video of spectacular sights of dancing in uniform UFO's.

Now, I don't know about aliens, but I do know that these people are seeing things. The interesting thing about scripture is where prophecy is concerned, we can only speculate what it actually means until it happens.

Things are happening every day that show the prophecies are indeed being fulfilled. Change comes in only a second and it is exciting seeing what will happen today!

[Hemidakota]

Ok, I knew I thought the GOG & MAGOG was not properly identified when it was going to happen. After thorough research, here is what Joseph Smith remarked:

The battle of Gog and Magog will be after the millennium. The remnant of all the nations that fight against Jerusalem were commanded to go up to Jerusalem to worship in the millennium. (Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 Vols. 5:298)

[georgia2]

On roundtable discussions on the Bible on BYU, I heard them discussing this section in the book of Revelation. (I think that is where I heard this) That Gog and Magog as described were actually spiritual names as well as temporal. THey said that there will be two different battles.