Joseph Smith on the PBS network

[Guest ceeboo]

Hey all my LDS friends :)

So here I am sitting here in Michigan doing some channel surfing and I land on the antiques road show ( my bride laughs at me but I admit I do enjoy the show )

The show ( for those of you who don't watch it ) travels all over. Well tonights show was from Salt Lake City, Utah.

So here was the " way cool " part for me and was kind of a " shout out " to all my LDS friends :). This guy brings in a riffle and proceeds to tell a story how he inherited it from a relative and it was, at one time, owned by a guy who was in the same and very prison cell as the prophet Joseph Smith.

Well the riffle ( whose history was varified by the expect guy ) was worth, at auction, 10-12 thousand dollars.

Anyway, I know I am kind of a dork, but I thought it was cool.:):)

Peace,

Carl

[bytor2112]

What's a riffle???

[Truegrits]

Hey, ceeboo, I like that show. I used to watch it all the time, then they moved it to another station. But just the other day while flipping channels I ran across it. One person had something (I forget what) that was valued at between 30>50 thousand!!! Man, were they surprised...

[siouxz72]

Hey Ceeboo!! I love that show, too!! Did you ever see the Will and Grace episode where Jack and Grace take a bogus teapot to the ARS just because they've practiced their "surprised" and "disappointed" faces?! Classic!! me and my littlemisschatterbox have those faces perfected!!! Lemme see if I can youtube it...dang! nope! oh well.. hopefully you've seen it! :)

[Guest ceeboo]

What's a riffle???

:lol:

It's a rifle with an extra f :lol:

Thanks for that,

Peace,

Ceeboo

[Guest ceeboo]

Hey, ceeboo, I like that show. I used to watch it all the time, then they moved it to another station. But just the other day while flipping channels I ran across it. One person had something (I forget what) that was valued at between 30>50 thousand!!! Man, were they surprised...

Hey truegrits,

My favorite one of all time:

An older woman and her husband came and brought this old beat up looking chair. ( The hubby was very upset to have to come and threw the chair in the trunk with rope tie downs) Well, after the expert guy told him it was worth 120 THOUSAND !!!!!!!, You should have seen this guys face ( priceless ) The guy seemed upset after a while on camera, so the expert guy asked him what was wrong, he said " he had no way of getting it back home ( certaintly wasn't gonna tie it up in the trunk again :lol:)

Yes, ceeboo is a dork!!! I LOVE that show!!!

[candyprpl]

Hey Ceeboo,

I watched that last night as well!!! How 'bout the First Edition 'Pearl of Great Price'? Thought that was pretty cool too.

Would anyone sell their family heirloom that they were told was worth a great deal of money?

[Guest ceeboo]

Hey Ceeboo,

I watched that last night as well!!! How 'bout the First Edition 'Pearl of Great Price'? Thought that was pretty cool too.

Would anyone sell their family heirloom that they were told was worth a great deal of money?

Hi candyprpl,

Yea I saw that " First Edition " also, way cool :)

Interesting question, I must be honest with you. If someone offered me, say, 70 or 80 thousand for a chair, I think Ceeboo would gladly give up the chair :lol: and just sit his Catholic rear on the floor :lol:

[BenRaines]

Ceeboo, since you mentioned rifle and LDS together I thought I would send along this link. I read another great story but will have to do with this for now.

John Browning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Guest ceeboo]

Ceeboo, since you mentioned rifle and LDS together I thought I would send along this link. I read another great story but will have to do with this for now.

John Browning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hey Ben,

Thanks for the link ( Very interesting ) :)

I had known of the name " Browning " but had no idea the large amount of history involved with him, nor did I know he was LDS and born in UTAH. Thanks for sharing:)

BTW, I noticed he was born in 1855. Who, if you know, was the Prophet during his " life?

Thanks,

Carl

[BenRaines]

When he was born I believe it would have been Brigham Young.

Ben Raines

[applepansy]

Great thread!!! I love Antiques Road Show and when they came to SLC I tried really hard to get my Mom to take or let me take a desk my grandmother had. . . or the table that came across the plains in a handcart. But sadly. . .she said no.

applepansy

[Hemidakota]

Carl, all the way up to Joseph Fielding Smith lived during Joseph time.

[candyprpl]

Great thread!!! I love Antiques Road Show and when they came to SLC I tried really hard to get my Mom to take or let me take a desk my grandmother had. . . or the table that came across the plains in a handcart. But sadly. . .she said no.

applepansy

ARE YOU SERIOUS -- A TABLE IN A HANDCART!!! WOW

I can't imagine pulling a handcart with my clothes in it let along a TABLE -- The pioneers were truly awesome!!!

[applepansy]

ARE YOU SERIOUS -- A TABLE IN A HANDCART!!! WOW

Yes, that's what it says in the journals. I can't imagine it either. Its a darling table, tall with a round top and a small (really small) drawer. I remember sitting to eat breakfast at this table when I was about 6 or7 and my Dad's Mom was still alive.

I wouldn't have survived as a pioneer.

applepansy

[Guest ceeboo]

Great thread!!! I love Antiques Road Show and when they came to SLC I tried really hard to get my Mom to take or let me take a desk my grandmother had. . . or the table that came across the plains in a handcart. But sadly. . .she said no.

applepansy

Hi applepansy,

Thanks for your contributions to this thread :)

To go off topic a little ( I can do that because it's my thread :lol:) If you would, can you explain what you mean by your grandmother " across the plains in a handcart ". Were they " on the run, if so why? " " how far did they walk " " what year was this " etc.

Thanks and and others that have stories of the " relocation " ( sorry, I do not know what the appropriate word would be ( relocation) for this history, but I would like to know what you all would call it ). I think it would be VERY interesting.:)

Thanks again to all that have shared.:):)

God bless,

Carl

[Misshalfway]

Have you seen Brian Regan when he talks about the road show??

Halarious!!

[applepansy]

Hi applepansy,

Thanks for your contributions to this thread :)

To go off topic a little ( I can do that because it's my thread :lol:) If you would, can you explain what you mean by your grandmother " across the plains in a handcart ". Were they " on the run, if so why? " " how far did they walk " " what year was this " etc.

Thanks and and others that have stories of the " relocation " ( sorry, I do not know what the appropriate word would be ( relocation) for this history, but I would like to know what you all would call it ). I think it would be VERY interesting.:)

Thanks again to all that have shared.:):)

God bless,

Carl

Carl, You are welcome! Its a fun thread.

The Pioneers immigrated to Utah in the late 1800s. Utah was not a State at the time so immigration works. They were running from religious persecution. The persecution took the form of burning their homes in the middle of the night, to being tarred and feathered, and sometimes murdered as in what happened at the Haun's Mill Massacre.

Pioneers are generally recognized as Mormons. Although some pioneers were people seeking their fortunes in the gold mines of Utah and California.

The early Mormons were pushed from one community to the next, starting in Palmyra, New York where Joseph Smith lived, and finally were driven from Missouri and Illinois by gunpoint. The first pioneers did have covered wagons, well most did, not all. The Saints coming from England and other parts of Europe had very little money when they arrived in the USA. So handcart companies were formed. They couldn't afford oxen so they pulled their own cart with minimal belongings.

LDS Church History is full of amazing stories about the Pioneers and the sacrifices they made to worship God as they believed. They sacrificed for their faith. When we have to sacrifice for something we believe in our faith becomes stronger.

I am a decendant of Pioneers who came to Utah. . . that's how we have a table that came across the plains in a handcart. I cant' imagine pulling a handcart empty, let alone with a table in it.

I hope that explains a bit. . . there are many books about the early Pioneers. It is uplifting to me to read how anyone overcomes trials and tribulatioin in pursuit of their faith. The Pioneer stories are uplifting and interesting reading.

applepansy

[Guest ceeboo]

Carl, You are welcome! Its a fun thread.

The Pioneers immigrated to Utah in the late 1800s. Utah was not a State at the time so immigration works. They were running from religious persecution. The persecution took the form of burning their homes in the middle of the night, to being tarred and feathered, and sometimes murdered as in what happened at the Haun's Mill Massacre.

applepansy

Hey again applepansey,

Thanks for that info ( VERY interesting )

Please forgive my ignorance: When you say they were " driven from their homes ".

Who was doing this ( the law, government?). How could this ( above reference ) be " OK " with the rest of the population in the USA??

Thanks again

Carl

[applepansy]

Hey again applepansey,

Thanks for that info ( VERY interesting )

Please forgive my ignorance: When you say they were " driven from their homes ".

Who was doing this ( the law, government?). How could this ( above reference ) be " OK " with the rest of the population in the USA??

Thanks again

Carl

There is nothing to forgive. . .questions are always welcome.

The Pioneers were persecuted by the government. Govenor LIlburn Boggs issues an "extermination" order for the Mormons. They were disliked and persecuted by their neighbors. When Joseph Smith and other Elders in the church took the problem to the President of the United States they were told there was nothing he could do to help them.

I have often asked that same question... "how could it be ok with the rest of the people in the USA?" I don't have an answer. I do not understand religous bigotry. Maybe they were motivated by fear of what they didn't understand?

Just a few years ago. . . the Govenor of Missouri issued a statement retracting the extermination order and also an apology to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

After I finish peeling and bottling peaches today, I'll find the titles and authors of books you might be interested in reading.

applepansy

Edited October 15, 2008 by applepansy

[Hemidakota]

I don't recall the apology from the state of Missouri but from the Lt Governor of Illinois.

[Misshalfway]

Didn't the persecution start from the first day Joseph told people about his first vision? I mean, right after he told his pastor about the experience? Before he even knew about the gold plates or had a visit from the angel Moroni or had even thought of starting a church?

I don't know if all the persecution was for religious reasons. I think some were afraid of the Saints and their voting power. But it was clear there was a running hatred within the US for anything Mormon. Joseph and others wrote letters to the US seeking protection or redress for the many wrongs committed against the Mormons. No real help was ever given.

I was struck during this last conference, that even after the Saints had settled in the Utah territory that the US still sent troops to Utah to solve the "mormon problem". A people who had left the US but still retained loyalty and who were only seeking to build up their communities, were still persecuted even as they lived outside the US borders. Not by every day citizens, but by the government itself. This history of persecution is quite remarkable.

It was an interesting time in US history, because many groups suffered persecution for whatever reason. I think it has taken this country a long long time to live up to all of its ideals.

[applepansy]

I don't recall the apology from the state of Missouri but from the Lt Governor of Illinois.

thank you. . . I may be mistaken about which state govenor it was. I thought Boggs was Govenor of Missouri, and I know the apology came from the state where he was govenor back in the 1800s. But, I maybe wrong.

I'll look it up later. . . unless you can help me out?

Thanks bunches,

applepansy

[Hemidakota]

I need to research this myself regarding Missouri.

Miss Halfway, persecution was for religious reasons? You are right...was it due to jealously that GOD talked to a 14-year old boy vice an older Pastor? It seems that Christians of that era caused the contention and not of those who professed not most likely cared less.

[Misshalfway]

Oh weird. It didn't put up my post.

Anyway, Hemi, I probably didn't word that correctly. I should have said "in addition to" because it was clear that religious prejudice was at the core of the hatred.