Tea And Alzhiemers

[Spencer]

I understand you point, however it has everything to do with Green Tea, since the article is on Green tea, Dont down play it. Im not saying its a huge deal, but it is something.

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by Spencer@Oct 29 2004, 02:32 PM

I understand you point, however it has everything to do with Green Tea, since the article is on Green tea, Dont down play it. Im not saying its a huge deal, but it is something.

Did you read the article Spence?

<<Because DDT persists in the environment for decades, it is literally everywhere and in everybody. The average level of the pesticide in human fat is seven parts per million. DDT and its metabolite, DDE, have been found in every sample of breast milk tested, from the Arctic to South Africa - where children receive DDT in their mothers' milk at rates five to 18 times higher than recommended by the World Health Organization. The fact that the WHO even has calculated an "acceptable" daily intake of DDT testifies to the extent of DDT pollution.>>

If every person has DDT in them, and it's everywhere, why do trace amounts of it in green tea concern you so much?

[Spencer]

You quoted me saying it wasnt a huge deal, yet you make it sound like im making a big deal out of it. Nice tactics.

[Guest curvette]

Oh Spencer, I'm not trying to paint you in a bad light. I just don't understand why you chose that particular article to support your belief that there's something wrong with green tea. To me, it read more like there's something wrong with the whole food supply and green tea was just the catalyst that helped them discover that.

[Spencer]

You missed my point.

The argument is, we dont understand why we cant drink tea when there are so many health benefits from doing so, espically green tea.

My point is, why get hung up on it when there are other sources to get the same benefits from? Is it that big of a deal? if you cant give up tea, you might ask yourself why? (not you curvette just anyone in general)

[Snow]

Originally posted by Spencer@Oct 30 2004, 12:23 PM

if you cant give up tea, you might ask yourself why? (not you curvette just anyone in general)

No, forget everyone else. Let's focus in on Curvette.

Just exactly what defect of character, what weakness in constitution, what depravity and void of moral inclination drives you to abuse the demon tea... Curvette? Eh?

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by Snow@Oct 30 2004, 12:52 PM

Just exactly what defect of character, what weakness in constitution, what depravity and void of moral inclination drives you to abuse the demon tea... Curvette? Eh?

That defect would be you Snow. (You bought me my first cup, remember?)

Just as I thought--you DON'T remember! I'd say you need to take up the habit again dearest! :)

[Snow]

Originally posted by curvette+Oct 30 2004, 04:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Oct 30 2004, 04:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Oct 30 2004, 12:52 PM

Just exactly what defect of character, what weakness in constitution, what depravity and void of moral inclination drives you to abuse the demon tea... Curvette? Eh?

That defect would be you Snow. (You bought me my first cup, remember?)

Just as I thought--you DON'T remember! I'd say you need to take up the habit again dearest! :)

Ah yes, I remember it well.

It was after the school dance. Me with my English Leather cologne; You with your Jontue perfume:

Afterwards we snuck off behind your dad's apothecary shop. You tempted me with a steaming pot of oolong. At first I declined; then with a little enticement, soon we were shotgunning Earl Greys and chasing them back with biscotti.

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by Snow@Oct 30 2004, 07:12 PM

Ah yes, I remember it well.

It was after the school dance. Me with my English Leather cologne; You with your Jontue perfume:

Afterwards we snuck off behind your dad's apothecary shop. You tempted me with a steaming pot of oolong. At first I declined; then with a little enticement, soon we were shotgunning Earl Greys and chasing them back with biscotti.

Your Alzheimer's is more advanced than I thought. That's Mrs. Thudpucker. (our Sophomore Biology teacher.)

[Lindy]

You guys are too much!

Thanks for the giggle

[Jenda]

Originally posted by curvette+Oct 30 2004, 08:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Oct 30 2004, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Oct 30 2004, 07:12 PM

Ah yes, I remember it well.

It was after the school dance. Me with my English Leather cologne; You with your Jontue perfume:

Afterwards we snuck off behind your dad's apothecary shop. You tempted me with a steaming pot of oolong. At first I declined; then with a little enticement, soon we were shotgunning Earl Greys and chasing them back with biscotti.

Your Alzheimer's is more advanced than I thought. That's Mrs. Thudpucker. (our Sophomore Biology teacher.)

Wow! Either you had a real young biology teacher, or Snow was held back several years. ROFLOL.

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by Jenda@Oct 31 2004, 01:01 PM

Wow! Either you had a real young biology teacher, or Snow was held back several years. ROFLOL.

Mrs. Thudpucker is wearing the tie. Snow is, of course, wearing the platform lace-up shoes he so fancies!

[Guest bizabra]

Originally posted by Ray+Oct 26 2004, 01:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ray @ Oct 26 2004, 01:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--bizabra@Oct 26 2004, 01:05 PM

We are not talking about herb teas, but about the health bennies of black and green teas.   Camellia sinensis, not ginseng, clover, alfalfa, mint, chamomile, sage, or sassafras.  Green tea is not an "herbal" tea.  It is unfermented tea.   It comes from tea plants, just like the black versions do.

Please stay on topic.

If the WofW is such a great health code, why is it interpreted to forbid drinking tea? 

Admit it, the WofW is an OBEDIENCE TEST only, and need not be defended on any supposed "health benefit" it supposedly confers, at least as it is now interpreted.

Sorry, I didn’t realize that all tea comes from only one type of plant. I thought tea was a general term for a substance obtained by soaking some of a plant in water, and that an herbal tea was as much of a tea as any other, different only by the type of plant and how it is processed.

Anyway, if you’ll recall, I also acknowledged that some people think drinking “green” tea is acceptable, but I haven’t found any official information yet to let me know where people got this idea.

Does anybody else know where this idea came from, other than from some Sunday school or seminary teachers? I’d like to see what the authorities of the Church have to say about this.

Ray, your definition is correct in that "tea" does mean in a generic sense, anything steeped or decocted by hot water. HOWEVER. . . .

The article is discussing findings that pertain to tea "proper", which is the previously mentioned Camellia Sinensis. Green tea, oolong tea, ke-mun, and good old black tea are made from this particular plant. The article is NOT talking about "herbal" teas, as I thought you could tell from my post. Sorry.

Did you even read the article?

Eh?

[Guest bizabra]

Originally posted by curvette+Oct 28 2004, 11:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Oct 28 2004, 11:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Matt@Oct 27 2004, 04:53 PM

I was taught that ALL tea was bad. Tisanes (herbal drinks) are not tea, though.

ALL tea is bad. ALL Jell-O is good.

Jell-O is almost all sugar.

Sugar:

Promotes tooth decay

Can produce a significant rise in triglycerides.

Interferes with the absorbtion of calcium and magnesium.

Can cause a decrease in insulin sensitivity.

Can cause hormonal imbalance.

Can cause free radicals and oxidative stress.

Can exacerbate PMS.

Lots of other stuff.

Green tea:

has antibacterial properties which actually inhibit tooth decay.

reduces cholesterol.

is an anti-inflammatory.

improves blood vessel function.

protects against cardiovascular disease.

inhibits the growth of cancers in the early stages.

Protects against Alzheimers.

Lots of other good stuff.

I just have to disagree that all tea is bad.

Curvette explains perfectly why one ought not regard the WofW as a health code. An enlightened health code would prohibit sugar!

[Guest bizabra]

Originally posted by Spencer@Oct 29 2004, 11:13 AM

* Although all tea varieties possess far less caffeine than both coffee and coke cola (with green having the least), it can induce insomnia and nervousness in sensitive and over-indulgent individuals.

* It should also be noted that the antioxidant action of (phenolic-rich) tea extracts has been shown to reduce the ability of humans to utilise dietary iron. Thus excessive intake of tea should be avoided by people who are prone to anaemia.

Samman S., Sandstrom B., Toft M.B., Bukhave K., Jensen M., Sorensen S.S. & Hansen M. Green tea extract added to foods reduces nonheme-iron absorption. Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 2001 Mar;73(3):607-612.

Yes, and although dark chocolate contains many proven health bennies (don't wanna bother citing references, look 'em up yourself, try keywords "healthly chocolate") certain sensitive persons can be allergic to it, and some overindulgers might find it can induce insomnia. It can even be a mild diuretic for "some" people.

Better not eat chocolate, not even one litte bite! You never know if you might end up addicted to the stuff!

Sheesh, even CARROTS produce unpleasantness in some individuals!

[Guest bizabra]

Originally posted by Spencer@Oct 29 2004, 11:22 AM

What's In Your Green Tea?

By Frances Cerra Whittelsey

Credit: Terry LaBan

Hope Nemiroff thought she was living the healthiest lifestyle possible. After being diagnosed with cancer in 1995 and having a tiny tumor removed from her breast, she had changed her ways. She walked. She went for hypnosis and did yoga to help reduce her stress levels. She switched to a mostly organic, vegetable-based diet. She drank a dozen cups of green tea every day.

Determined to learn everything she could about her disease, Nemiroff, now 58, also became president of the Mid-Hudson Breast Health Action Project, an advocacy group in New York. Impressed by her efforts, her oncologist hired her to help with a study of the relationship between DDT and breast cancer. Although she was not a subject of the study, Nemiroff says, "I got curious. I wanted to see what [the blood] of somebody like me would look like who was living a healthy lifestyle."

Her blood, it turned out, contained traces of DDT. And when she later investigated what part of her diet might be contaminated with the pesticide, the answer jolted her. A laboratory analysis found DDT in her green tea.

This finding was especially shocking because green tea has become the unofficial beverage of choice for breast cancer survivors. Both laboratory science and low breast cancer rates in Japan, a land of green-tea drinkers, suggest that substances in the tea might play a role in preventing breast cancer. Tea manufacturers have capitalized on those theories, labeling their boxes with statements like "Ancient Healing Formula Teas with Organic Ingredients" (The Yogi Tea Company) or noting the presence of anti-oxidants that "help neutralize free radicals ... molecules which can damage cells" (Lipton). While overall tea sales in the United States have remained flat during the past decade, cancer concern has propelled the wholesale value of green tea consumed here from $2 million in 1990 to $25 million in 1999.

DDT, on the other hand, is a synonym for environmental poison. It is the pesticide that was banned by the United States in 1972, 10 years after publication of Rachel Carson's landmark book, Silent Spring. Carson

Hope Nemiroff. Credit: Andrea Barrist Stern.

exposed the pesticide as a terminator, a man-made plague that wiped out populations of songbirds, trout and salmon, killing them outright or rendering them sterile. Introduced to the world during World War II as a public health measure to kill body lice and mosquitoes, DDT was sprayed with abandon for decades by government agencies and a trusting public who never suspected it would remain in the environment long afterward. Many now believe that exposure to DDT is a cause of cancer. Carson herself endured a radical mastectomy while writing Silent Spring, and she died of breast cancer two years after the book was published Finding DDT in Nemiroff's tea raises a number of urgent questions: Was the finding an isolated case? How did it get there? Did the DDT threaten Nemiroff's health, that of other breast cancer survivors, or other American consumers? Should people stop drinking green tea?

An In These Times investigation has found that Nemiroff's contaminated tea was clearly not an isolated or rare case. In These Times purchased 10 boxes of different brands of green tea at a suburban New York supermarket and health food store, and had them analyzed by Toxicology International of Fairfax, Virginia. Analysis of the tea samples showed that two of the 10 brands were contaminated with DDT, in violation of Environmental Protection Agency rules. The one with the highest levels was produced by the Yogi Tea Company, and included the herbs echinacea and kombucha. However, a new sample of Alvita Chinese Green Tea, the brand Nemiroff had been drinking, showed no traces of DDT.

In addition, five of the tea samples contained chlorpyrifos, also known as Dursban, which the EPA banned from consumer products last June because of its health risk, particularly to children. Chlorpyrifos is an organochlorine, putting it in the same chemical family as DDT. Under its recent action, the EPA reduced the allowable residues of chlorpyrifos in many fruits and vegetables. But tea is not supposed to contain any of the pesticide, making any amount of it an illegal adulteration.

These test results mean that consumers can have no assurance that green tea - or any tea made from leaves of the camellia sinensis plant - is free of pesticide contamination. But the importance of the findings, say experts informed of the test results, is that they show the widespread contamination of our food supply and the environment.

The pesticides were found in tiny amounts, in parts per billion, and pose no imminent health danger. DDT accumulates in our bodies and is carried in breast tissue, so ingesting contaminated tea is certainly undesirable. But the experts say that the benefits of drinking green tea probably outweigh the risks.

How did the DDT get in the tea? Surprise: DDT is still being manufactured in China and India and used in more than two dozen Third World countries in Africa and Asia. China is the source of most of the green tea imported into the United States. Finding DDT in tea imported from China would not surprise Janice Jensen, a senior environmental chemist in the EPA's Office of Pesticide Programs. "They're still producing DDT in China," she says, "and there is still some use of DDT there. DDT is caught in the atmosphere, and can be redeposited far from its use site - that's one of the arguments for the global treaty on persistent organic pollutants."

This proposed international treaty is the focus of intensive efforts by the United Nations and environmental organizations, and it is still being negotiated. (The United States government says it supports the treaty, but environmentalists have criticized U.S. efforts to water down provisions that they and the European Union support.) The overall goal is to reduce the use of, or eliminate entirely, 12 particularly hazardous chemicals called "persistent organic pollutants," or POPs, including DDT. But several developing countries are balking at a DDT ban because until effective and affordable alternatives are available it is their best weapon against mosquitoes that transmit malaria, one of the world's top public health problems. Although environmentalists urge the use of safer alternatives, DDT is cheap and readily available. The affected countries simply cannot afford other control methods, and the United States has not made combating malaria a top spending priority.

But it turns out that the actions of people in China and Africa, taken to protect their health from an immediate and deadly threat, have a direct impact on the purity of the American food supply. According to Clifton Curtis, director of the World Wildlife Fund's Global Toxics Initiative, "DDT is such a potent chemical that as long as it is used anywhere in the world, nobody is safe."

Six billion pounds of DDT have been produced and used since its introduction in 1942, more than any other pesticide. In years past, it was sprayed, often in a sticky oil mixture, on farmlands, forests, rivers, estuaries and even the Long Island suburbs of New York City (which today have very high rates of breast cancer). The purpose of that suburban spraying effort was to wipe out the gypsy moth, and it was a failure; the insects periodically re-appear in the Northeast in numbers so large that you can hear them eating the oak trees bare.

Because DDT persists in the environment for decades, it is literally everywhere and in everybody. The average level of the pesticide in human fat is seven parts per million. DDT and its metabolite, DDE, have been found in every sample of breast milk tested, from the Arctic to South Africa - where children receive DDT in their mothers' milk at rates five to 18 times higher than recommended by the World Health Organization. The fact that the WHO even has calculated an "acceptable" daily intake of DDT testifies to the extent of DDT pollution.

In the United States, a 1992-1993 study by the Food and Drug Administration found that 5.6 percent of commonly consumed fruits and vegetables that it tested were contaminated with illegal pesticides. Todd Hettenbach, a pesticide policy analyst with the Environmental Working Group, says that even crops grown in the United States, where DDT use stopped almost 30 years ago, continue to show DDT contamination. Squash and root crops like carrots are a particular concern, he says.

With imported food, the situation is worse. A 1994 report to Congress on food safety by the General Accounting Office (GAO) noted that countries which export food to the United States need not, except in the case of meat and poultry, have monitoring systems equivalent to ours, and that U.S. agencies often lack information on chemicals used by exporting countries.

Richard Liroff, director of the World Wildlife Fund's Alternatives to DDT Project, says his organization had queried the Chinese government to find out how much DDT is both produced and used there. "We got no response," he says, adding, "Even though it is widely believed that there is diversion [of DDT intended for public health purposes] to agriculture, we have nothing more than anecdotal evidence."

Technically, EPA rules make the presence of any DDT in food illegal. But recognizing the reality of worldwide contamination, the agency has set "action" levels for the presence of DDT in meat, fruits and vegetables. These levels are in parts per million, amounts far higher than those found in the tea. Only when the action levels are exceeded do either the U.S. Department of Agriculture or FDA take steps to find the source of the DDT and try to retrieve the food before it gets to market.

In 1994 the GAO reported that 3 percent of the imported food shipments tested by the FDA contained prohibited pesticides. It said that even when detected, about one-third of the contaminated food probably found its way to store shelves. "It is very hard to seize contaminated products once they leave the border, very hard to track them down," says Jay Feldman of the National Coalition Against the Misuse of Pesticides.

Devra Lee Davis, an epidemiologist and toxicologist who was a presidential appointee to a government chemical safety board, says that "having been in the government, I understand that this is too big a problem for the government to solve. It will take the private sector organizing itself to provide assurance to the public" that imported food is pesticide-free by testing their products. The Environmental Working Group has suggested that food importers adopt an approach to food safety that would establish critical control points for quality testing. The private sector would do the testing, and the FDA would police that process.

But tea manufacturers insist they do test. "This is the first time anyone has found anything in our tea," says Jagat Joti Khalsa, director of communications for Yogi Tea, upon learning the results of the tea analysis. He describes a systematic and elaborate process of constant testing of tea and herbs bought from 40 or 50 vendors, which he says costs the company more than 5 percent of its profit margin. Most of the company's green tea, he says, comes from organic tea estates, primarily in India.

The other tea contaminated with DDT was Stash Premium Green Tea. Joy Edlund, a spokeswoman for Stash, calls the finding "really strange." She says the company's premium green tea is grown in Brazil on virgin land never before used for agriculture, "so DDT was never used on it." She adds that the company's farming practices are so natural that it has been contemplating marketing the tea as organic. She says Stash does not test its tea for purity itself; they import the tea from Brazil.

Both Edlund and Khalsa asked for the tea used in the tests to be sent to them for their own analysis.

Among many breast cancer activists and some scientists, there is a strong belief that past and present small-scale exposure to DDT is the cause of at least some breast, prostate and other kinds of cancer. But not all the evidence is clear. A 1993 study showed that women with malignant breast cancer had higher blood levels of DDT than women without the disease, but it has been difficult to really nail down cause and effect. A May 1994 toxicological profile of the chemical prepared for the U.S. Public Health Service noted that studies of workers exposed to DDT in the workplace "do not indicate conclusively an association" between DDT exposure and cancer.

Yet the same document notes that studies "suggest that DDT may cause damage to human chromosomes" and that studies in rats show it to have "estrogen-like" effects. This is of particular concern because one of the few generally accepted risk factors for breast cancer is exposure to estrogen or estrogen-mimicking substances, called xenoestrogens. Studies show that estrogen and xenoestrogens bind with receptors in mammary glands, and in the lab xenoestrogens have been shown to make human breast cancer cells grow. The longer a woman is exposed to estrogen - either naturally, through early menstruation or late menopause, or, it is theorized, from exposure to estrogen-mimickers - the higher her risk of breast cancer.

It is on the basis of its estrogenic properties that Janette Sherman, a physician and author of Life's Delicate Balance: Causes and Prevention of Breast Cancer, is convinced that DDT is a cause of that disease. "You [eat] one part per billion today," she says, "and one tomorrow, and at the end of the month you have 30 parts - these chemicals accumulate in the fat. DDT breaks down into DDE, which has been shown to be estrogenic in multiple animal tests going back to the '60s." She adds: "It's nice to call [the studies] equivocal, but it's not that way at all."

Because she knew about these studies, Hope Nemiroff decided to act after her blood test showed higher than average levels of DDT. She spent 22 days undergoing a detoxification regimen designed to purge chemical poisons from the body. The regimen included a run followed by more than four hours a day of sweating in a relatively low-temperature sauna. The regimen seemed to work. Her DDT blood levels fell from 0.9 parts per billion before the regimen to 0.3 parts per billion after.

But six months later - during which time she had been eating her organic diet and drinking green tea-she was rocked by the results of another blood test: Her DDT levels had risen to 1.1 parts per billion. When a test of her water found it clear, she had the tea tested and discovered that it was, indeed, contaminated.

Should people stop drinking green tea because of these findings? Green tea is no different from other teas in that it comes from the camellia sinensis plant, which grows best in the tropics at high altitude, where the days are warm, rain is ample, and the nights are cool. What makes the final product green tea, as opposed to black tea, is only the manner of processing. Black tea leaves are subjected to a period of high heat and humidity, during which the tea oxidizes and turns from green to brown. Leaves for green tea are subjected to a shorter or somewhat different heating process. As a result, green tea retains a class of chemicals called catechins, which may play a role in cancer prevention and be part of the explanation for lower breast cancer rates in Japan.

Davis, who has written extensively on breast cancer and the environment and expects to publish Nemiroff's case in a scientific journal, did not advise her to stop drinking green tea. Davis would not recommend other women give up the beverage either. "There is a lot of benefit to drinking green tea that has been shown experimentally," she says.

Sherman, author of books on breast cancer and chemical exposure, agrees that people should not stop drinking potentially beneficial green tea because of the DDT findings. What those results illustrate, she says, "is that our entire food supply is now contaminated worldwide because of massive use of pesticides."

As Nemiroff has done, consumers can try to avoid drinking pesticides in their tea by switching to brands certified as organic, although this is not an absolute guarantee of purity. Eating organically grown fruits and vegetables - which are more expensive than non-organic - can also help minimize pesticide exposure. Losing weight also releases pesticide residues stored in fat, eliminating them from the body.

But Nemiroff's story illustrates that it is virtually impossible to completely avoid food contaminated with pesticides even when someone goes out of her way to try. Pesticides, wrote Carson three decades ago, are "as crude a weapon as the cave man's club," a chemical barrage "hurled against the fabric of life."

"The contamination of our world," she continued, "is not alone a matter of mass spraying. Indeed, for most of us this is of less importance than the innumerable small-scale exposures to which we are subjected day by day, year after year. Like the constant dripping of water that in turn wears away the hardest stone, this birth-to-death contact with dangerous chemicals may in the end prove disastrous."

Spence, this is an argument for improving and protecting our food supplies, NOT a defense for the WofW prohibition on drinking tea. Notice how 8 of the samples did NOT have DDT in them?

Next. . . . . ..

[Spencer]

Originally posted by bizabra@Nov 2 2004, 02:37 AM

Spence, this is an argument for improving and protecting our food supplies, NOT a defense for the WofW prohibition on drinking tea. Notice how 8 of the samples did NOT have DDT in them?

Next. . . . . ..

We've already discussed that.

Next.... . ... . . ..

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by bizabra@Nov 1 2004, 11:31 PM

Sheesh, even CARROTS produce unpleasantness in some individuals!

Ha! Not to mention BROCCOLI and CABBAGE--whew! :)

[Guest]

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[Guest]

Hello...

[QOTE]Admit it, the WofW is an OBEDIENCE TEST only, and need not be defended on any supposed "health benefit" it supposedly confers, at least as it is now interpreted.

What do you mean it "need not be defended on any supposed health benefit is supposedly confers?"

Yeah, this sort of reminds me of the arguement that some religious philosopher made once: He suggested that if a tree fell in the woods and nobody was around to see or hear it, did it make a sound? His argument was no because with God being perfect, he would not make an imperfect world with inefficiencies. Now, I don't believe in Barkley? Was that his name? I think the tree does indeed make noise even if nobody was around to hear it but heck, I could hardly conceive of an intelligent God giving an obedience command to put one in direct contradiction to the workings of the logical brain God endowed mankind. And seeing how tea does indeed have health benefits and is proven to be a POSITIVE aspect to good health, I would then have to use my God given intelligence and decide that the command of "God" as rendered through the "Word of Wisdom" as copyrighted in the Doctrine & Covenants is indeed not a true statment from an intelligent being. Therefore, I must also conclude the LDS's prophet or prophets are errant and quite possibly not prophets at all. It is really that quite simple. REALLY. Any other thoughts??? Where did I make a an error in my thinking? Did the tree that fell in the woods really make a sound?

[Amulek]

Originally posted by Ray@Oct 26 2004, 01:35 PM

I also find it interesting that many people in the Church believe that drinking green tea or herbal tea is acceptable.

According to the Encyclopedia of Mormonism, the most "official" statement that I have found on herbal teas states: "The revelation has not been interpreted as proscribing herbal teas, for it states that "all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the Constitution, nature, and use of man" (D&C 89:10)."

Amulek

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[Guest bizabra]

Originally posted by Amulek+Nov 6 2004, 12:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Amulek @ Nov 6 2004, 12:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ray@Oct 26 2004, 01:35 PM

I also find it interesting that many people in the Church believe that drinking green tea or herbal tea is acceptable.

According to the Encyclopedia of Mormonism, the most "official" statement that I have found on herbal teas states: "The revelation has not been interpreted as proscribing herbal teas, for it states that "all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the Constitution, nature, and use of man" (D&C 89:10)."

Amulek

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So, tea "proper", is a "wholesome tea", as it is proven to have health benefits. Ergo, tea in all it's forms must be OK! Or are there actually UNhealthy teas? Does anyone know of any UNHEALTHY teas out there? Eh?

OK! So drink up, folks! Just tell your Bish that according to the Encyclopedia of Mormonism, "all wholesome herbs" are ordained by god, and since science has shown tea in general to be "wholesome", then you are not breaking the WofW to have green, or oolong, or even black tea for breakies.

[Amulek]

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ("bizabra")</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>So, tea "proper", is a "wholesome tea", as it is proven to have health benefits.  Ergo, tea in all it's forms must be OK!  Or are there actually UNhealthy teas?  Does anyone know of any UNHEALTHY teas out there?  Eh?

OK!  So drink up, folks!  Just tell your Bish that according to the Encyclopedia of Mormonism, "all wholesome herbs" are ordained by god, and since science has shown tea in general to be "wholesome", then you are not breaking the WofW to have green, or oolong, or even black tea for breakies.

Except that there is one "wholesome herb" that has been altered by man by fermentation process, that the Lord through his prophets have declaired that we should not drink.

Amulek

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[Snow]

Well Biz,

I taught Priesthood on Sunday and the topic was the Word of Wisdom. I tried to argue yoiur point. I said that because a recent study shows that tea seems to inhibit an enzyne that contributes to Alzheimers, Biz says the Word of Wisdom is false.

I think it goes without saying but just in case... they were unpersuaded.

But on a bright note, I did get a few odd stares when I quoted three occassions from JS's History of the Church where Joseph and the Brethren drank wine, (post WoW revelation).

[Guest bizabra]

Originally posted by Snow@Nov 15 2004, 07:33 PM

Well Biz,

I taught Priesthood on Sunday and the topic was the Word of Wisdom. I tried to argue yoiur point. I said that because a recent study shows that tea seems to inhibit an enzyne that contributes to Alzheimers, Biz says the Word of Wisdom is false.

I think it goes without saying but just in case... they were unpersuaded.

But on a bright note, I did get a few odd stares when I quoted three occassions from JS's History of the Church where Joseph and the Brethren drank wine, (post WoW revelation).

WOW, I actually recieved a mention in your class?

OH, MY! LOL