susanoo_mikoto Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 This is going to be a strange one, but o well... I've heard of the families are forever idea, and was curious about meeting relatives after death. My Father can trace his family to the late middle ages in Germany and elsewhere and now he thinks there were a few mercenaries, and pirates in the family. Anyway, I was thinking when I die I would love to meet them and just talk about what life was like and the shenanigans they pulled. According to LDS doctrine, since families are forever, would it be possible to meet said mercenaries and pirates in the next life? I know this sounded kind of weird, but this is a serious question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomk Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Yes, it is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanoo_mikoto Posted December 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Sweet!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiJolly Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 In the Mormon tradition, when you die you will be met my loved ones that passed on before. They will come to you, to escort you through the veil. Most likely, you will have known them in your earlier life and will easily recognize them. Ask them. HiJolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanoo_mikoto Posted December 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 In the Mormon tradition, when you die you will be met my loved ones that passed on before. They will come to you, to escort you through the veil. Most likely, you will have known them in your earlier life and will easily recognize them. Ask them. HiJollyNice. Problem is, said pirates and mercenaries lived a long time ago. That would be sweet if I did know them in a previous life. Is the profession of pirate or mercenary allowed in mormon heaven? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aesa Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 But how can you meet someone who hasn't been sealed in the temple when the only way to attain exaltation and to enter into God's presence is through temple ordinances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 This is going to be a strange one, but o well...I've heard of the families are forever idea, and was curious about meeting relatives after death. My Father can trace his family to the late middle ages in Germany and elsewhere and now he thinks there were a few mercenaries, and pirates in the family. Anyway, I was thinking when I die I would love to meet them and just talk about what life was like and the shenanigans they pulled. According to LDS doctrine, since families are forever, would it be possible to meet said mercenaries and pirates in the next life? I know this sounded kind of weird, but this is a serious question.Some have already met their relatives in this life. Yet, I believe it was part of passing message or instructions. Those in the Spirit prison may have to wait.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcat Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Nice. Problem is, said pirates and mercenaries lived a long time ago. That would be sweet if I did know them in a previous life. Is the profession of pirate or mercenary allowed in mormon heaven?I think good pirates and mercenaries are on the approved list...Attorneys are an entirely different issue, though.I can't believe I just said that. I am Evangelical so I wouldn't pay to much attention to that comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
applepansy Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 (edited) But how can you meet someone who hasn't been sealed in the temple when the only way to attain exaltation and to enter into God's presence is through temple ordinances?The LDS belief is that when we die we go to Paradise or Spirit Prison. People in Paradise can visit Spirit Prison. Only after all of Heavenly Father's children have had a chance to receive a body will the final resurrection, final jugdement and assignment to one of the Kingdoms of God occur. (Telestial, Terrestial or Celestial) People from high kingdoms will be able to visit those in the lower kingdoms.LDS.org - Topic Definition - Heaven Edited December 20, 2008 by applepansy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiJolly Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Nice. Problem is, said pirates and mercenaries lived a long time ago. That would be sweet if I did know them in a previous life. Is the profession of pirate or mercenary allowed in mormon heaven?For Mormons, the 'previous life' thing is packaged in the realization that we lived in 'heaven' before we were born, but not that we lived a mortal life before we were born. But in heaven, we could have not only known our ancestors before *their* mortal life, but could possibly have been very involved in their mortal life itself, even while we were in the spirit. As for pirates and mercenaries making it to heaven, we do allow for that. Most certainly possible. HiJolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiJolly Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 But how can you meet someone who hasn't been sealed in the temple when the only way to attain exaltation and to enter into God's presence is through temple ordinances?Joseph Smith saw his elder brother Alvin in heaven, when no ordinances had been performed for him (yet). No problem. God is both just AND merciful. Doctrine and Covenants 137HiJolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanoo_mikoto Posted December 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Would it be anything like valhalla? I know piracy is not allowed there, but there is plenty of fighting. I was always curious about that aspect of christian heaven. I remember as a kid hearing from the EV's who would harass us as school that jesus would come back and kill the unbelievers. I've wondered ever since if they just ripped off the idea of valhalla from the vikings and germans to make converting them easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiJolly Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Would it be anything like valhalla? I know piracy is not allowed there, but there is plenty of fighting. I shouldn't laugh, but had to on that one. Sorry. No, we would consider valhalla to be a region of the spirit prison. Spiritual progression would be restricted to those who could love and be peaceful to even their enemies. I was always curious about that aspect of christian heaven. I remember as a kid hearing from the EV's who would harass us as school that jesus would come back and kill the unbelievers. I've wondered ever since if they just ripped off the idea of valhalla from the vikings and germans to make converting them easier.We do believe that when Christ comes to earth in Glory and power, that Glory will burn the wicked only, for they will not be able to endure its heat. But it won't be like Jesus whips out a sword, or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Howdy, Great-Great-Great-Great Uncle Bluebeard... Aarrrrggghh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MormonMama Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Nice. Problem is, said pirates and mercenaries lived a long time ago. That would be sweet if I did know them in a previous life. Is the profession of pirate or mercenary allowed in mormon heaven?HiJolly has already addressed this a bit, but I just wanted to add a little more.By "previous life", we Mormons are referring to the premortal existance, where all human souls lived with God before being born on this earth. We don't believe in reincarnation. As we all existed together in the premortal existence for who knows how long before coming here, it is very likely that we will recognize a great many people in the spirit world who we never knew while here on earth.So yes, it is absolutely possible (I say likely) that you will recognize people who lived on this earth long before you were ever born. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Considering the earth is way older than any planet or star in the solar system, that is saying something here; we are quite older than 4-billion earthy years. :) As to reincarnation, I do believe there is some form of truth here since we existed as a lower intelligence prior to our habitation of our spirit creation. What form or what life we come from, that is the mystery here being created after the image of the GOD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanoo_mikoto Posted December 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 I shouldn't laugh, but had to on that one. Sorry. No, we would consider valhalla to be a region of the spirit prison. Spiritual progression would be restricted to those who could love and be peaceful to even their enemies. We do believe that when Christ comes to earth in Glory and power, that Glory will burn the wicked only, for they will not be able to endure its heat. But it won't be like Jesus whips out a sword, or anything.I figured I would be laughed at for this a little. To Vikings and the old Germans, that was an awesome way to go. You would be among the most honored of gods and would defend order against chaos during ragnarok. Like I said, I have always been curious about the whole end of the world concept that the evangelicals I saw as a child believed in. Reason why I brought up Valhalla was that Christians had a very difficult time converting the old pagans of Europe. Many of them thought that Christians were either butchers or sissies. So, the old church made Jesus more masculine. The evangelicals I used to see harassing us in high school would say Jesus and the righteous would come to the earth and slay all the unbelievers. Hmm....sounds just like einherjar in Valhalla aiding the gods in the final war of ragnarok. I've always wondered if this was a holdover from olden times.So, Mormon heaven is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiJolly Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 So, Mormon heaven is different.Visit here: Mormon.org - Home and see what we believe. HiJolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DeborahC Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 I'm pretty sure if you're in the Celestial Kingdom you can visit the lower kingdoms, can't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanoo_mikoto Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Visit here: Mormon.org - Home and see what we believe. HiJollyI've been there before. That's where I downloaded the Book of Mormon audiobook.Maybe I missed something.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 I'm pretty sure if you're in the Celestial Kingdom you can visit the lower kingdoms, can't you?If the Savior can visit the Terrestrial kingdom, but not the Telestial, can we do the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MormonMama Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 I wasn't aware that there was any kingdom Christ could not visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Doctrine and Covenants EncyclopediaSpeaking of the ultimate destinies of men, the Lord revealed that three kingdoms of glory exist -celestial, terrestrial, and telestial (D&C 76:88). Only those who abide a celestial law will enjoy "the presence of God and his Christ forever and ever", while those who earn a terrestrial glory only merit "the presence of the Son, but not of the fulness of the Father" (D&C 76:62, 77).To enjoy "the presence of the Son" is to have this celestial being, Jesus the Christ, visit a terrestrial sphere on occasion. "Because they were honorable men, free from lying, adultery and kindred sins, they will receive of the Savior's glory. In other words, they will be entitled to visits from the Son, but not from the Father. They do not 'obtain the crown over the kingdom of our God.'" (SS, 462.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert10 Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Wherever you go there shall be some of your ancestors. However, it is not unheard of for people on their death bed with their last breath to acknowledge the presence of some close dearly beloved dead relative in the room or angels or even Jesus.Peace be unto youbert10This is going to be a strange one, but o well...I've heard of the families are forever idea, and was curious about meeting relatives after death. My Father can trace his family to the late middle ages in Germany and elsewhere and now he thinks there were a few mercenaries, and pirates in the family. Anyway, I was thinking when I die I would love to meet them and just talk about what life was like and the shenanigans they pulled. According to LDS doctrine, since families are forever, would it be possible to meet said mercenaries and pirates in the next life? I know this sounded kind of weird, but this is a serious question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomk Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Counsel with the Lord about it. He will answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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