D&c Section 89

February 4, 2004

Originally posted by Ray@Feb 3 2004, 09:22 PM
Not quite. Voting on whether or not a true teaching should be considered canonized scripture only indicates who does and does not consider that teaching to be inspired of God. If the voting is unanimous, and all are agreed, the teaching then becomes canonized scripture. Ever wonder how many teachings there are and have been that don’t get a unanimous vote? If God has an opinion and something, and that opinion is revealed to someone, does a nay vote against that opinion mean that God does not agree with that opinion, or only that someone does not accept it? Prophets are people too, and all are not always agreed. Our Lord’s prayer was that we would all become agreed, as He agrees with our Father in heaven, but that doesn’t always happen.
In other words, I know for myself that the Lord desires that I do not drink beer, and I do not need to hear that some other people have voted on that idea and reached a unanimous vote before I obey.
Btw, I didn't intend to turn this into a superduper serious thread. Please go ahead and say some more funny stuff. :)

Ray,

According to internet mormons, LDS doctrine is found only in the canonized scriptures. If it isn't in the scriptures, "we don't teach that".

True, or false?

Jenda · February 4, 2004

Are internet mormons different from other mormons???

February 4, 2004

Originally posted by Jenda@Feb 3 2004, 09:58 PM
Are internet mormons different from other mormons???

yes. I would link you to info, but it would get deleted so as to shield LDS posters from the real world.

Snow · February 4, 2004

Originally posted by bat@Feb 2 2004, 10:27 PM

It isn't a requirement according to the scriptures. If it's not canonized, we aren 't bound to believe it. Just ask Snow.

That's true. The canon is that by which we, though common consent, have all agreed to be bound.

1. What make you think that the WoW as a commandment is not canonized and

2. Even if it is not, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't accept it.

February 4, 2004

Originally posted by Snow+Feb 3 2004, 10:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Feb 3 2004, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--bat@Feb 2 2004, 10:27 PM

It isn't a requirement according to the scriptures. If it's not canonized, we aren 't bound to believe it. Just ask Snow.

That's true. The canon is that by which we, though common consent, have all agreed to be bound.

1. What make you think that the WoW as a commandment is not canonized and

2. Even if it is not, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't accept it.

D&C 89 doesn't mention anything about the WoW being a commandment.

If it isn't a commandment, then why should it be accepted? Will it affect my eternal salvation or having my own planet or being a polygamist god?

Jenda · February 4, 2004

Originally posted by bat+Feb 3 2004, 10:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bat @ Feb 3 2004, 10:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Jenda@Feb 3 2004, 09:58 PM
Are internet mormons different from other mormons???

yes. I would link you to info, but it would get deleted so as to shield LDS posters from the real world.

You can PM me.

February 4, 2004

Originally posted by Jenda+Feb 3 2004, 10:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jenda @ Feb 3 2004, 10:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -bat@Feb 3 2004, 10:01 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Jenda@Feb 3 2004, 09:58 PM
Are internet mormons different from other mormons???
yes. I would link you to info, but it would get deleted so as to shield LDS posters from the real world.

You can PM me.

If I can't share with everybody, I am not going to share.

All I need to know, I learned in kindergarten.

Lindy · February 4, 2004

Originally posted by TheProudDuck+Feb 3 2004, 08:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheProudDuck @ Feb 3 2004, 08:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -lindy9556@Feb 3 2004, 06:25 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--TheProudDuck@Feb 3 2004, 06:13 PM
It's not that bad, although about thirty varieties of soft drink and all but a few fruit juices taste better. Cabernet sauvignon generally tastes like gnawing on a plank of oak ("hints of chocolate and black cherry," my adz!) while merlot does taste a little like fruit soaked in vinegar, although danged if I could ever taste the blackberry and plum flavors advertised.
So Mr Duck...are you saying that you are LDS who drinks?

Not for a long time. Youthful indiscretions, and all that. (Yes, I know -- "youthful indiscretions" are supposed to involve cheap beer and barfing on the party host's living room floor. So I was a snobby indiscreet youth. Sue me -- or have Peace do the lawyer-free equivalent. )

ROFL~

Youthful indiscretions, and all that. (Yes, I know -- "youthful indiscretions" are supposed to involve cheap beer and barfing on the party host's living room floor.

No, PD I don't think less of you even if you were a "snobby" youth drinking with your pinky held up...LOL In fact, I was never into the "cheap beer and party barf". I had friends whose parents had the "good stuff"

.....as youth we probably would have got along pretty darn good!

Ray · February 4, 2004

Originally posted by bat+Feb 3 2004, 09:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bat @ Feb 3 2004, 09:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ray@Feb 3 2004, 09:22 PM
Not quite. Voting on whether or not a true teaching should be considered canonized scripture only indicates who does and does not consider that teaching to be inspired of God. If the voting is unanimous, and all are agreed, the teaching then becomes canonized scripture. Ever wonder how many teachings there are and have been that don’t get a unanimous vote? If God has an opinion and something, and that opinion is revealed to someone, does a nay vote against that opinion mean that God does not agree with that opinion, or only that someone does not accept it? Prophets are people too, and all are not always agreed. Our Lord’s prayer was that we would all become agreed, as He agrees with our Father in heaven, but that doesn’t always happen.
In other words, I know for myself that the Lord desires that I do not drink beer, and I do not need to hear that some other people have voted on that idea and reached a unanimous vote before I obey.
Btw, I didn't intend to turn this into a superduper serious thread. Please go ahead and say some more funny stuff. :)

Ray,

According to internet mormons, LDS doctrine is found only in the canonized scriptures. If it isn't in the scriptures, "we don't teach that".

True, or false?

True. I am sharing my personal beliefs about the Word of Wisdom, and not Church doctrine. Am I bad? Am I doing something that I should not do? I was hoping you would understand that I was sharing my personal belief when I stated:

Personally, it took me some time before I felt ready to really follow what I believe the Lord is teaching through the Word of Wisdom.

For quite a while I also believed that the Word of Wisdom supported the drinking of beer.

It wasn’t until I heard that another prophet taught against the drinking of beer that I finally yielded to the idea that I shouldn’t drink it.

Those are all my personal beliefs, which have been influenced by official Church doctrine. And even though I haven’t read where a prophet has taught that we shouldn’t drink beer, the idea that a prophet might have said that was enough to get me to thinking some more about my personal beliefs with a desire to have my ideas confirmed through the Holy Ghost. That is why I stated:

I know for myself that the Lord desires that I do not drink beer.

As far as I know, a prophet may have never taught against the drinking of beer, but whether a prophet has or has not, I now know for myself that I should not drink beer.

But hey, maybe you can! Until you hear this taught as an official Church doctrine, or the Holy Ghost confirms the idea to you that you should not drink beer, I think it’s all up to you. :)

February 4, 2004

Originally posted by Ray@Feb 4 2004, 10:57 AM

But hey, maybe you can! Until you hear this taught as an official Church doctrine, or the Holy Ghost confirms the idea to you that you should not drink beer, I think it’s all up to you. :)

Yay!

Lindy · February 4, 2004

Originally posted by Ray@Feb 4 2004, 10:57 AM
But hey, maybe you can! Until you hear this taught as an official Church doctrine, or the Holy Ghost confirms the idea to you that you should not drink beer, I think it’s all up to you. :)

Hot Dog....I'm going to the bar tonite! Look out Jose' Q-here I come!

LOL

February 4, 2004

Originally posted by lindy9556+Feb 4 2004, 12:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lindy9556 @ Feb 4 2004, 12:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ray@Feb 4 2004, 10:57 AM
But hey, maybe you can! Until you hear this taught as an official Church doctrine, or the Holy Ghost confirms the idea to you that you should not drink beer, I think it’s all up to you. :)

Hot Dog....I'm going to the bar tonite! Look out Jose' Q-here I come! LOL

You're not going to try out some of my home made beer?

Lindy · February 4, 2004

Originally posted by bat+Feb 4 2004, 12:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bat @ Feb 4 2004, 12:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -lindy9556@Feb 4 2004, 12:47 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Ray@Feb 4 2004, 10:57 AM
But hey, maybe you can! Until you hear this taught as an official Church doctrine, or the Holy Ghost confirms the idea to you that you should not drink beer, I think it’s all up to you. :)
Hot Dog....I'm going to the bar tonite! Look out Jose' Q-here I come! LOL

You're not going to try out some of my home made beer?

Muuuuuusssssst Reeeeesssiiiitttt Temptaaaaation

Muuuuuusssssst Keeep Controooooll Of Seeelf

Ray · February 4, 2004

Heh, don’t be thinking that I said it was okay for you guys to drink beer.

I was just saying that you shouldn’t stop drinking beer just because I don’t think it is right. I recommend that you both do what you think God wants you to do, to the best of your knowledge and ability. But you’re both free to do what you want to do. :)

And btw, if you have any of that stuff that hasn’t fermented yet, that you want to get rid of, that hasn't spilled on the floor or any other bad thing, you can send it to me at:

Paul Ray Hill

1120 SW 5th Ave

Portland OR 97204

Heh, like I’m really going to post my home address on the internet.

February 5, 2004

Originally posted by Ray@Feb 4 2004, 03:14 PM
Heh, don’t be thinking that I said it was okay for you guys to drink beer.
I was just saying that you shouldn’t stop drinking beer just because I don’t think it is right. I recommend that you both do what you think God wants you to do, to the best of your knowledge and ability. But you’re both free to do what you want to do. :)
And btw, if you have any of that stuff that hasn’t fermented yet, that you want to get rid of, that hasn't spilled on the floor or any other bad thing, you can send it to me at:
Paul Ray Hill
1120 SW 5th Ave
Portland OR 97204
Heh, like I’m really going to post my home address on the internet.

Ummm, I'm new at this. I'm not really sure how to not ferment beer.

Ray · February 5, 2004

Heh, I don't know either, but it seems obvious that it can be done.

Maybe it's done by simply blending all the ingredients?

Ray · February 5, 2004

Heh, here's a link. I'll have to give this a try sometime myself. :)

http://brewery.org/brewery/library/JS_NA.html

February 5, 2004

Originally posted by Ray@Feb 4 2004, 05:25 PM
Heh, I don't know either, but it seems obvious that it can be done.
Maybe it's done by simply blending all the ingredients?

I don't think so. There are two fermentation stages. First the wort ferments for two weeks until the specific gravity levels out, and the second which is after adding the sugar, which is what gives it it's alcohol content or carbonation or something. Then it is bottled and ferments for another week or so. I'll ask about it the next time I buy a batch, but I'm going to wear a disguise so they don't know who I am.

Ray · February 5, 2004

Here's another good link. A brew totally free of alcohol seems to be almost impossible to make, but according to the information I am seeing, it is possible to get the alcohol percentage down to under 1%, which is said to be the same amount in many breads and juices, due to simple fermentation.

I am one of those people who actually likes the taste of beer, so a non-alcoholic brew would work fine for me, as long as it tastes good. :)

http://byo.com/feature/66.html

February 5, 2004

Originally posted by Ray@Feb 4 2004, 05:41 PM
Here's another good link. A brew totally free of alcohol seems to be almost impossible to make, but according to the information I am seeing, it is possible to get the alcohol percentage down to under 1%, which is said to be the same amount in breads and orange juice.
Works for me! :)
http://byo.com/feature/66.html

Hmmm, I wonder how much orange juice I would have to drink to get a buzz.

Ray · February 5, 2004

Hmmm. How much alcohol do you need to get a buzz? If orange juice is 1% alcohol, 100 gallons would give you one gallon of alcohol. Is that enough?

February 5, 2004

Originally posted by Ray@Feb 4 2004, 05:53 PM
Hmmm. How much alcohol do you need to get a buzz? If orange juice is 1% alcohol, 100 gallons would give you one gallon of alcohol. Is that enough?

I'll let you know.

srm · February 12, 2004

Originally posted by bat+Feb 3 2004, 09:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bat @ Feb 3 2004, 09:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ray@Feb 3 2004, 09:22 PM
Not quite. Voting on whether or not a true teaching should be considered canonized scripture only indicates who does and does not consider that teaching to be inspired of God. If the voting is unanimous, and all are agreed, the teaching then becomes canonized scripture. Ever wonder how many teachings there are and have been that don’t get a unanimous vote? If God has an opinion and something, and that opinion is revealed to someone, does a nay vote against that opinion mean that God does not agree with that opinion, or only that someone does not accept it? Prophets are people too, and all are not always agreed. Our Lord’s prayer was that we would all become agreed, as He agrees with our Father in heaven, but that doesn’t always happen.
In other words, I know for myself that the Lord desires that I do not drink beer, and I do not need to hear that some other people have voted on that idea and reached a unanimous vote before I obey.
Btw, I didn't intend to turn this into a superduper serious thread. Please go ahead and say some more funny stuff. :)

Ray,

According to internet mormons, LDS doctrine is found only in the canonized scriptures. If it isn't in the scriptures, "we don't teach that".

True, or false?

you're off base lumping all mormons on the internet as 'internet mormons' and even further off base to tell us what we believe.

February 12, 2004

Originally posted by srm@Feb 12 2004, 10:38 AM

you're off base lumping all mormons on the internet as 'internet mormons' and even further off base to tell us what we believe.

srm,

You are an internet mormon.

Paul Osborne is a chapel mormon.

See? Not all mormons on the internet are 'internet mormons'.

February 13, 2004

What does that have to do with beer and section 89?

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