Guest Godless Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 as far as creating jobs.. increasing taxes will NOT create jobs.No, but using that tax money to fund new government programs will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I have heard that alot of illegals have left the country and went back to where they came from....either lost their job and cannot make any money now because of cutbacks....I had laugh since Mexico is in direr straights, along with those south of that country. The Mexicans currently are extremely not bashful in shooting illegals from crossing into its Southern Borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Yes, Obama will have quite a job repairing what has been done so far. BTW, any chance we could totally outsource McDonalds? Hmm...being a Senator, he was part of the original problem. Unless you are trying to cover up something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeMom Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 No, but using that tax money to fund new government programs will. just what we need, more govt programsand thats not going to create jobs.. its moving around tax money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Obama has accomplished few things as senator except to show he is a bad judge of characterAs far a Bush goes.. I still cant decide if he is a genius mastermind or an incompetent drone.. seems most of the left claim his as bothas far as creating jobs.. increasing taxes will NOT create jobs.Noting his investments and being a Texas Governor, winning two presidential election, I would place him at least on top of the heap. Now, even Moses had a speech impairment that Aaron was his mouthpiece and look how he turned out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 No, but using that tax money to fund new government programs will.Roosevelt tried and almost failed [lucky for him it was WWII that saved the program]. Now, 70-years later, we going to try again and again, it will fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Godless Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 just what we need, more govt programsand thats not going to create jobs.. its moving around tax moneyI don't like it either, but it's better than leaving people in the hands of a private sector that has no room for them in the job market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 If we believe in FREE MARKET, it will eventually correct itself. With government interference expect a worst situation to come later...hint - Social Security, Public Welfare and so forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Godless Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Roosevelt tried and almost failed [lucky for him it was WWII that saved the program]. Now, 70-years later, we going to try again and again, it will fail.We're fighting two wars right now. It's unfortunate, but it's an ideal condition for creating government jobs. What option do people have in the private sector right now? Waiting for the free market economy to fix itself? That's not going to put food on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 True. But we do not need further escalation of government strings tied to the free market. Yes, I know it pains me to see homeless, hungry, and jobless society but nothing is worse than total socialism. Living in England, it is proven point that government socialism doesn't work. Then, they should drop the royal family. For those who are English, I have every right to boot them out since I am related through my mother side via the Windsor family. Not to forget, so is my wife. We are separated by -fifth- cousins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeMom Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 If we believe in FREE MARKET, it will eventually correct itself. With government interference expect a worst situation to come later...hint - Social Security, Public Welfare and so forth.agreedmost economists agree the govt prolonged the great depression ... many of those same people agree they started it as well..unfortunately for us it seems most of our politicians have no education in economics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I believe this year, we are heading for a global depression. If that be the case, it is a setup for a global monetary change. Hence, then G-8 becomes eventually the G-10. Something John was referring too in his vision. :lo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Godless Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 True. But we do not need further escalation of government strings tied to the free market. Yes, I know it pains me to see homeless, hungry, and jobless society but nothing is worse than total socialism. Living in England, it is proven point that government socialism doesn't work. Then, they should drop the royal family. For those who are English, I have every right to boot them out since I am related through my mother side via the Windsor family. Not to forget, so is my wife. We are separated by -fifth- cousins. Who's talking about total socialism? True, I despise free market economics, but I know that we could never realistically take it out of American society. I have no problem with regulating it though. The American people can't afford to leave their livelihood in the hands of a fickle economic system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Talk about government plunders or blunders []:"Treasury: deficit hits new record in just 3 months"Excerpt: The federal government already has run up a record deficit of $485.2 billion in just the first three months of the current budget year. And economists say the imbalance for the full year could easily top $1 trillion, pushed to that eye-popping level by the spending the government is likely to do to combat the recession and the most severe financial crisis in generations.Article Link: Treasury: deficit hits new record in just 3 months - Forbes.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Godless Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Talk about government plunders or blunders []:"Treasury: deficit hits new record in just 3 months"Excerpt: The federal government already has run up a record deficit of $485.2 billion in just the first three months of the current budget year. And economists say the imbalance for the full year could easily top $1 trillion, pushed to that eye-popping level by the spending the government is likely to do to combat the recession and the most severe financial crisis in generations.Article Link: Treasury: deficit hits new record in just 3 months - Forbes.comAnd yet no one wants to tax the wealthy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeMom Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Who's talking about total socialism? True, I despise free market economics, but I know that we could never realistically take it out of American society. I have no problem with regulating it though. The American people can't afford to leave their livelihood in the hands of a fickle economic system.The "american people" bought houses they could not affordbought cars they could not affordbought tv's computers etc they could not affordthey did not live providently.. they got greedy..and they did it with the help of PC politicsI dont like to see anyone suffer.. but we have to have consequences to our actions..no one grows, spiritually or otherwise, if they dont have trials and tribulationsI can say I am not fearful.. cautious, but not fearful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeMom Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 And yet no one wants to tax the wealthy....what tax system are you studying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elphaba Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 As far a Bush goes.. I still cant decide if he is a genius mastermind or an incompetent drone.. seems most of the left claim his as bothAs does the "right."Actually, I think you would be hard pressed to find one person on the "left" who doesn't think he is an incompetent drone. That is because he is an incompetent drone. Thank the Great White Buffalo in the Sky he's gone.Elphaba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 they don't want to tax the rich because it would get into the pockets of politicians on both sides of the aisle.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 and lets not forget that Congress just voted to give themselves a raise.....3 million people trying to find a job and congress gets a raise....not to worry...Obama will save the day....:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeMom Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 As does the "right."Actually, I think you would be hard pressed to find one person on the "left" who doesn't think he is an incompetent drone. That is because he is an incompetent drone. Thank the Great White Buffalo in the Sky he's gone.Elphabathey give him too much credit for stuff to think he's that incompetant.if he has been the mastermind behind all they accuse him of he must be pretty clever thats where I get confusedbut I digress.. this topic is about OBAMA... Savior of the Universe! .. key music and lights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytor2112 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 No, but using that tax money to fund new government programs will.Inept people teaching inept people...what a novel idea:cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytor2112 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 they give him too much credit for stuff to think he's that incompetant.if he has been the mastermind behind all they accuse him of he must be pretty clever thats where I get confusedbut I digress.. this topic is about OBAMA... Savior of the Universe! .. key music and lightsYou are wearing out my thank you and laugh button, seriously....... Great posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Godless Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Inept people teaching inept people...what a novel idea:cool:You'd prefer to see them starve while our free market economy "corrects" itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytor2112 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) You'd prefer to see them starve while our free market economy "corrects" itself?The free market economy will correct itself and help those who are able to work a whole lot faster and more efficient than any federal program and they will climb higher and faster as a result. I would be for eliminating much of the ridiculous government handouts that keep people trapped for generations living off the dole. If we are going to help people, let's really help them. Let welfare recipients get a job and make real money while they recieve aid....so that they can eventually stand on there own. Eliminate foreign aid, cut the corporate tax, give corporations hug tax relief for expanding and creating new jobs ( and hold them accountable). As for those starving......c'mon, what Government program paid for by tax dolars and run by politically correct nitwits is going to save anyone from starving. By the time they select a commitee and have a meeting and higher a bunch of people to process aplications and set some stifling rules and limitations, those starving will be dead and those who manage to get help will still be underfed. The government is really efficient at blowing things up in foreign countries, but most other things become corrupted, wasteful fiascos that end up harming more than they help.......I am all for helping those in need, but the government is rarely the solution. Edited January 14, 2009 by bytor2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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