Satanism?

[mountthepavement]

What does it mean in LDS for someone to be a satanist?

Also, if a saint sins occasionally (which I do not know if that occurs) but is still well within the path to salvation, then, similarly, what if we have a satanist who is otherwise a fairly average citizen of America who occasionally does the will of god by mistake? That is, what if he seeks to follow the promptings of the devil, but occasionally screws up and listens to the holy spirit?

I hope this is a fun question.

[Guest Godless]

From what I understand (and I could be wrong), Satanism is more about glorifying the idea of Satan and what he represents (sin and rebellion) than it is about following Satan himself. In fact, I've been told that many Satanists don't even believe that Satan (or God) exists. They just like what he stands for. I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject though.

[mountthepavement]

From what I understand (and I could be wrong), Satanism is more about glorifying the idea of Satan and what he represents (sin and rebellion) than it is about following Satan himself. In fact, I've been told that many Satanists don't even believe that Satan (or God) exists. They just like what he stands for. I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject though.

Either way.

[HEthePrimate]

What does it mean in LDS for someone to be a satanist?

Also, if a saint sins occasionally (which I do not know if that occurs) but is still well within the path to salvation, then, similarly, what if we have a satanist who is otherwise a fairly average citizen of America who occasionally does the will of god by mistake? That is, what if he seeks to follow the promptings of the devil, but occasionally screws up and listens to the holy spirit?

I hope this is a fun question.

First of all, every saint sins! As St. Paul says in Romans 3:10, "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one." None of us deserve salvation by virtue of our own righteousness, but Jesus saves us by virtue of His.

I have not done an extensive study of Satanism (I have a tendency to make the typo of typing "Stan" instead of "Satan," so don't be surprised if that happens! ), but from what I gather, there are different types of "Satanists." Some of them don't really believe in a literal Satan, but rather follow the principles, basically, of selfishness and survival of the "fittest" (IMO). Others do believe in a literal personage called Satan and worship him.

I think God sees all the foolishness that we're up to, whether we call ourselves Saints or Sinners (or Satanists), that He's patient, and loving. He'll give credit where it's due, overlook a lot, and I think it's quite possible that many of us will eventually come to the realization of just how silly we've been, and hopefully turn to God.

Or maybe I'm overestimating God's goodness and mercy, and He'll actually rain fire and brimstone down on us!

Peace,

HEP

[Hemidakota]

Satanism is one who officially worship Lucifer or one his cronies.

[mountthepavement]

Satanism is one who officially worship Lucifer or one his cronies.

So what do they then do, and what ultimately happens to them? How would they go about worshiping Lucifer?

[Traveler]

I have only met one “Satanist” in my entire life. This individual would offer anyone a large sum of money for their souls. It would be about $50,000 by today’s economy. As bazaar as this sounds, a contract was signed in blood. He would especially go after Christians that claimed they were saved. He would argue that if they were really saved that the $50,000 would be free and Jesus would save them in the end – just sign the contract. I did not know of any “saved” Christian that signed the contract. I was aware of a couple of individuals that did sign but I do not know what happened as I only worked with this individual for a few months.

As far as the sins of the saints – I believe that all sin and all are in constant need of repentance or change of mind and heart. However, I believe that the type of sin does change. Some may argue that sin is sin and all sin is the same. If they do then I think they do not understand what I am attempting to bring to the table. That is that the eyes of the saints are opened through repentance and they are able to see sins that were not realized before and in many cases most people would not consider really a sin at all.

The Traveler

[mountthepavement]

That is that the eyes of the saints are opened through repentance and they are able to see sins that were not realized before and in many cases most people would not consider really a sin at all.

If it's not too personal, can you give me an example of this kind of sin or describe it more exactly?

[Traveler]

If it's not too personal, can you give me an example of this kind of sin or describe it more exactly?

Going gulfing on a week end rather than helping a neighbor (that did not ask for help) remove a stump from their backyard.

The Traveler

[Misshalfway]

Well, God judges on the heart, so, obedience by accident wouldn't exactly knock out past wrongs.

[Seanette]

Hopefully, when He judges by our hearts, He'll make allowances for WANTING to do better and falling short. I'm hoping that the desire to overcome bad habits is credited against the habits not yet overcome.

[hordak]

From what I understand (and I could be wrong), Satanism is more about glorifying the idea of Satan and what he represents (sin and rebellion) than it is about following Satan himself. In fact, I've been told that many Satanists don't even believe that Satan (or God) exists. They just like what he stands for. I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject though.

Bingo. Anton LaVeyan Satanist (the ones with the satanic bible and the church of Satan ) the largest satanic group, don't believe in Satan ,(in a person, Christian sense) but as our human nature.

It is essentially strong atheism with evil symbolism to "take a stab at" Christianity

[Hemidakota]

So what do they then do, and what ultimately happens to them? How would they go about worshiping Lucifer?

Left unrepentant will suffer the same as they will.

[Batmanifestdestiny]

Well, I actually have a brother who claims to be "Satanist," which is just anarchist with being agnostic with some rebellion stirred in. Personally, I think that if 2 "satanists" have a kid, and they teach them their ways, then the kid would be sinning, but he doesn't know any better, so it doesn't count.

[JohnnyRudick]

So what do they then do, and what ultimately happens to them? How would they go about worshiping Lucifer?

Why:confused:

Are you thinking about worshiping Satan?

O believe that the most likely real worshipers of Satan would not be found among the average citizen,

but among the high places of Finance and Power.

As well as in the universities and other places of higher learning.

Well?

Bro. Rudick

[JohnnyRudick]

Well, I actually have a brother who claims to be "Satanist," which is just anarchist with being agnostic with some rebellion stirred in. Personally, I think that if 2 "satanists" have a kid, and they teach them their ways, then the kid would be sinning, but he doesn't know any better, so it doesn't count.

Naw^_^

He's just being a kid:p

Most likely will play something else later;)

Bro. Rudick

[JohnnyRudick]

Bingo. Anton LaVeyan Satanist (the ones with the satanic bible and the church of Satan ) the largest satanic group, don't believe in Satan ,(in a person, Christian sense) but as our human nature.

It is essentially strong atheism with evil symbolism to "take a stab at" Christianity

These are the kinds of people true Luciferians point to and say, "Look! There is a satanist!"

Bro. Rudick

[Traveler]

Hopefully, when He judges by our hearts, He'll make allowances for WANTING to do better and falling short. I'm hoping that the desire to overcome bad habits is credited against the habits not yet overcome.

The actual term is that we are judged according to the desires of our heart. I have always understood this to mean that we will end up in a kingdom that we find to our liking. The place we really want to be. The only ones in any kingdom are those that really want to be there.

The confusion sometimes comes from the miserable comments in scripture. But what most people do not understand is that some people desire and enjoy being miserable. They love to complain about their lot in life and what is wrong with everything. That is what they really like doing.

The Traveler

[mountthepavement]

Left unrepentant will suffer the same as they will.

Okay, I guess I just want to know what the LDS afterlife for the bad folks is. I guess I could research it myself, but, in the interest of conversation...

[mountthepavement]

Why:confused:

Are you thinking about worshiping Satan?

O believe that the most likely real worshipers of Satan would not be found among the average citizen,

but among the high places of Finance and Power.

As well as in the universities and other places of higher learning.

Well?

Bro. Rudick

Just wondering what it would hypothetically be like to y'all (meaning individual LDS perspectives.)

[mountthepavement]

These are the kinds of people true Luciferians point to and say, "Look! There is a satanist!"

Bro. Rudick

What do you mean by true Luciferians?

[mountthepavement]

The actual term is that we are judged according to the desires of our heart. I have always understood this to mean that we will end up in a kingdom that we find to our liking. The place we really want to be. The only ones in any kingdom are those that really want to be there.

The confusion sometimes comes from the miserable comments in scripture. But what most people do not understand is that some people desire and enjoy being miserable. They love to complain about their lot in life and what is wrong with everything. That is what they really like doing.

The Traveler

Do people choose the desires of their hearts? I ask this having gotten the impression that choice is important in LDS.

[JohnnyRudick]

What do you mean by true Luciferians?

A true Luciferian will tell you "Satan" is a creation of the Christian world.

He will tell you that they do not worship Satan because there is no Satan.

But the true Luciferian will keep a secret back.

He believes secretly in the angelic world of gods where Lucifer is the real morning star and Jesus is the usurper.

They say that the true One will return and claim the earth as his own as lightning out of the Eastern sky and the whole earth will follow him.

They are preparing for his event even at this time.

They are the true Luciferians and they are not the silly anarchists and Satanic Rock nuts or what ever playing act out games.

They are educating your kids and leading industry and government.

Just a thought:rolleyes:

Bro. Rudick

[Misshalfway]

Do people choose the desires of their hearts? I ask this having gotten the impression that choice is important in LDS.

The desires of our hearts....I think....show who we really are. Do we choose them? I think yes and no. There are some of my desires that are righteous, but others that reflect what we LDS call the "natural man".

You see, we believe we are both spirit and flesh. We were spirit beings who lived before we came to this earth and now that we are hear, we have to contend with the flesh and the sometimes carnal (less than righteous) desires that come with it.

So, part of us wants the good, the just, and the true. And the other part of us may want to indulge passions or selfishness or desire only our self interest. We rejoice in the righteous desires and we seek to change the other desires thru repentance and sanctification.

I would think that for the intent of this thread it would be those who give in to the natural man and those who rejoice in the extremes of selfishness that will find themselves trapped in the chains of Satan and would be "worshipping" him much like the worship of idols. Real Satan worship, though is something different. And I think that labeled Satanists do worship the idea of rebellion, etc....as was stated by an earlier poster.

Edited June 15, 2009 by Misshalfway

[JohnnyRudick]

. . .I would think that for the intent of this thread it would be those who give in to the natural man and those who rejoice in the extremes of selfishness that will find themselves trapped in the chains of Satan and would be "worshipping" him much like the worship of idols. Real Satan worship, though is something different. And I think that labeled Satanists do worship the idea of rebellion, etc....as was stated by an earlier poster.

Right.

I know that I was way off the mark of the discussion at hand and not sure how to apologize for it.

She did ask:D

But that was not what she was really asking in the first place was it:p

You are sooooooooooo right.:)

Bro. Rudick

Edited June 15, 2009 by JohnnyRudick
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