Not Lds, Why An Lds Talk Member?

[Heather]

I know we have quite a few board members who aren't LDS anymore, for whatever reason. I'm not that curious to know why you left the church, but I am curious as to what would draw you into a LDS related forum system? I'm sure everyone has a different reason. I just think for me personally if I was to disassociate myself with a religion in real life, I'm not sure I would want to be around it on the internet either.

Help me figure it out. The only reasons I can see would because you completely loath everything about the church, and you want to bash others who are members (which I don't think is the case with anyone still on the board.)

Or, you want others to see the "truth" that you found, but that also doesn't seem likely to me, because it would seem that since you've taken the initiative to worship, feel, and think what you want, you'd want everyone else to have the same choice.

So I know I'm totally missing the boat. Any help?

[Maureen]

Originally posted by Heather@Sep 9 2005, 12:12 PM

I know we have quite a few board members who aren't LDS anymore, for whatever reason.  I'm not that curious to know why you left the church, but I am curious as to what would draw you into a LDS related forum system?  I'm sure everyone has a different reason.  I just think for me personally if I was to disassociate myself with a religion in real life, I'm not sure I would want to be around it on the internet either....

I guess your question does not really apply to me since I have never been LDS, but interest can come in many shapes.

For me personally I have an interest in almost all things LDS because I almost joined the church and then eventually married into an LDS family. My nieces and nephews are LDS, so I experience many church related things through them. And also over the years I've become extremely interested in LDS church history (LDS and RLDS).

M.

[StrawberryFields]

As you know I am a member and have been for all of my life although I grew up in an inactive home.

I have had this discussion with another board member who is also a member of the church. We think that there is still a twinge of the feelings they once held as a member of the church? They like the association of the members?

It is my personal opinion that only a few like to come here to destroy something that we feel is good. I had a real problem with anti mormons being allowed to post here when I first came to LDS Talk two years ago.

I am with you Heather I would like to know why they come. It's not that I think they are harmful just what they get out of it. I think of many of these people as friends. :)

[pushka]

My reasons are similar to Maureen's too, in that I nearly became a member, and attended for 5 years.

I've always had a strong interest in religions and rituals etc. so I like to explore message boards and other websites that are religious based.

I do enjoy a good debate too...although I don't feel that I can contribute very well...I'm not well read enough to supply some of the great answers that others do on here...(apologies for coming over as dumb sometimes!) but I do enjoy reading others' opinions, checking the references that they supply, and generally seeing if anything is thought provoking for me...

[Heather]

You know if I wasn't LDS, yet I was Christian or even shared a lot of the LDS beliefs when it comes to morality and life standards, I could see myself drifting towards a site like this. When you consider that so many of the sites on the internet are practically aimed at the destruction of the family unit, I could see how this could be a safe haven for users of many backgrounds. Thanks for helping me understand.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Maureen+Sep 9 2005, 11:22 AM-->

<!--QuoteBegin-Heather@Sep 9 2005, 12:12 PM

I know we have quite a few board members who aren't LDS anymore, for whatever reason.  I'm not that curious to know why you left the church, but I am curious as to what would draw you into a LDS related forum system?  I'm sure everyone has a different reason.  I just think for me personally if I was to disassociate myself with a religion in real life, I'm not sure I would want to be around it on the internet either....

I guess your question does not really apply to me since I have never been LDS, but interest can come in many shapes.

For me personally I have an interest in almost all things LDS because I almost joined the church and then eventually married into an LDS family. My nieces and nephews are LDS, so I experience many church related things through them. And also over the years I've become extremely interested in LDS church history (LDS and RLDS).

M.

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For what it is worth, we have already performed a baptism-for-the-dead for Maureen so technically she is Mormon.

What's that you say? Maureen's not dead yet?

Well, yes. We accounted for that. We did it in reverse by proxy baptising the corpse of my dear aunt Euphenia who passed on several years ago (who we keep in the closet for halloween) on Maureen's behalf.

No need to thank me - we aim to be of service.

[shanstress70]

I was a convert for only a 5 years or so, then left. But I married a Mormon, and although he's no longer LDS either, my IL's are, so I still hear about 'the church' all the time. I'm very interested in religion, in general though so I go to sites that are related to many different religions.

In a way, I view this as a sociology experiement as well since there are people of different (or no) faiths. There are some good discussions on here without turning into an ugly argument (most of the time!). It's interesting to see all the different viewpoints. If this board were like Nauvoo MB, I would never hang out here b/c most everyone there thinks alike and seem to echo each other. It bores me to tears.

I also have to say that I like a good debate.

And, I just kind of like some of the posters here, and feel a kind of friendship with them.

I don't come here as often as I used to. I may go for weeks without visiting... but my curiosity always gets the better of me and have to see what's happening! I have mellowed on my views of 'the church' lately and am not as bitter as I was when I first discovered the things that made me decide to leave.

I absolutely do NOT have the intention of getting anyone to leave so that they can see the 'truth' that I've found. I haven't found the truth, and am still searching. Sometimes, I think that life is all about the searching and being humble enough to admit that you don't 'know'.

[Guest quentin]

Originally posted by Heather@Sep 9 2005, 01:12 PM

I know we have quite a few board members who aren't LDS anymore, for whatever reason.  I'm not that curious to know why you left the church, but I am curious as to what would draw you into a LDS related forum system?  I'm sure everyone has a different reason.  I just think for me personally if I was to disassociate myself with a religion in real life, I'm not sure I would want to be around it on the internet either. 

Help me figure it out.  The only reasons I can see would because you completely loath everything about the church, and you want to bash others who are members (which I don't think is the case with anyone still on the board.)

Or, you want others to see the "truth" that you found, but that also doesn't seem likely to me, because it would seem that since you've taken the initiative to worship, feel, and think what you want, you'd want everyone else to have the same choice.

So I know I'm totally missing the boat.  Any help?

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it could be that for some people like my self i have been using this forum for chat and friends for years before i was a member and now that im not for the same reason i liked the old room my friends there and the fact that it was clean at all times.

[seamusz]

My big question is why when people sign and ask for an LDS answer to a question or dilemma they are met with a barrage of posts from non LDS people discouraging the poster from seeking an LDS perspective.

[Guest Member_Deleted]

Originally posted by seamusz@Sep 12 2005, 03:02 PM

My big question is why when people sign and ask for an LDS answer to a question or dilemma they are met with a barrage of posts from non LDS people discouraging the poster from seeking an LDS perspective.

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Good question. I do believe they come here not to get valid information, but rather to try and dis the church's beliefs.

[Guest Member_Deleted]

Originally posted by quentin+Sep 9 2005, 09:27 PM-->

<!--QuoteBegin-Heather@Sep 9 2005, 01:12 PM

I know we have quite a few board members who aren't LDS anymore, for whatever reason.  I'm not that curious to know why you left the church, but I am curious as to what would draw you into a LDS related forum system?  I'm sure everyone has a different reason.  I just think for me personally if I was to disassociate myself with a religion in real life, I'm not sure I would want to be around it on the internet either. 

Help me figure it out.  The only reasons I can see would because you completely loath everything about the church, and you want to bash others who are members (which I don't think is the case with anyone still on the board.)

Or, you want others to see the "truth" that you found, but that also doesn't seem likely to me, because it would seem that since you've taken the initiative to worship, feel, and think what you want, you'd want everyone else to have the same choice.

So I know I'm totally missing the boat.  Any help?

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it could be that for some people like my self i have been using this forum for chat and friends for years before i was a member and now that im not for the same reason i liked the old room my friends there and the fact that it was clean at all times.

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That sounds good.

[Jason]

Originally posted by seamusz@Sep 12 2005, 03:02 PM

My big question is why when people sign and ask for an LDS answer to a question or dilemma they are met with a barrage of posts from non LDS people discouraging the poster from seeking an LDS perspective.

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This is a public board. One need not be LDS to be a member. If you ask for advice, without specifically asking for LDS posters only, then we're all going to chip in.

Frankly, some of the LDS advice is extremely poor and anti-family. Way too many LDS posters here advocate divorce at the drop of a hat, without reminding the poster that marriages are hard work, and that "happily ever after" is only a myth.

[Jason]

Originally posted by Heather@Sep 9 2005, 01:12 PM

I know we have quite a few board members who aren't LDS anymore, for whatever reason.  I'm not that curious to know why you left the church, but I am curious as to what would draw you into a LDS related forum system?  I'm sure everyone has a different reason.  I just think for me personally if I was to disassociate myself with a religion in real life, I'm not sure I would want to be around it on the internet either. 

Help me figure it out.  The only reasons I can see would because you completely loath everything about the church, and you want to bash others who are members (which I don't think is the case with anyone still on the board.)

Or, you want others to see the "truth" that you found, but that also doesn't seem likely to me, because it would seem that since you've taken the initiative to worship, feel, and think what you want, you'd want everyone else to have the same choice.

So I know I'm totally missing the boat.  Any help?

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Why do I come here? I've been visiting LDSTALK since back in '98. I still remember "Ed" with whom I fought and fought all the time. I've been an on again and off again poster ever since.

This place is like a second home. Eventually I may move on without ever coming back, but for now, I just poke around. (actually Im having a lot of fun blogging right now.)

[Guest Member_Deleted]

Originally posted by Jason+Sep 12 2005, 04:26 PM-->

<!--QuoteBegin-seamusz@Sep 12 2005, 03:02 PM

My big question is why when people sign and ask for an LDS answer to a question or dilemma they are met with a barrage of posts from non LDS people discouraging the poster from seeking an LDS perspective.

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This is a public board. One need not be LDS to be a member. If you ask for advice, without specifically asking for LDS posters only, then we're all going to chip in.

Frankly, some of the LDS advice is extremely poor and anti-family. Way too many LDS posters here advocate divorce at the drop of a hat, without reminding the poster that marriages are hard work, and that "happily ever after" is only a myth.

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When circumstances show that only more pain is going to be involved and a degration of self and perspective it is important to deal with the most important issues before the marriage.

Marriage is supposed to bromg two people to their best level. What I have read in the posts you are referring to is that the two in the marriage are destroying each other, not lifting each other to their best self through love and devotion.

I saw absolutely no love and devotion coming from the spouses who were being reproted on. I didn't give the spouse who wasn't reporting any benefit of the doubt because they weren't the ones complalining.

I believe if someone has that much pain going on they need to get out of that marriage and fast.

As far as I can see, Jason, you were on the offending side of your marriage and you wife gave into your ways, rather than you coming up to hers.

So I don't see your advice as valid. And there may be a day yet to come where she will see what she has given up and still dump youl

[Jason]

Originally posted by Please@Sep 12 2005, 05:08 PM

As far as I can see, Jason, you were on the offending side of your marriage and you wife gave into your ways, rather than you coming up to hers.

So I don't see your advice as valid. And there may be a day yet to come where she will see what she has given up and still dump youl

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There's no such thing as an "offending side" of anything. That's why your marital advice is shallow and worthless.

[Guest Member_Deleted]

Originally posted by Jason+Sep 12 2005, 06:02 PM-->

<!--QuoteBegin-Please@Sep 12 2005, 05:08 PM

As far as I can see, Jason, you were on the offending side of your marriage and you wife gave into your ways, rather than you coming up to hers.

So I don't see your advice as valid. And there may be a day yet to come where she will see what she has given up and still dump youl

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There's no such thing as an "offending side" of anything. That's why your marital advice is shallow and worthless.

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Only to those who offend.

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by quentin+Sep 9 2005, 09:27 PM-->

<!--QuoteBegin-Heather@Sep 9 2005, 01:12 PM

I know we have quite a few board members who aren't LDS anymore, for whatever reason.  I'm not that curious to know why you left the church, but I am curious as to what would draw you into a LDS related forum system?  I'm sure everyone has a different reason.  I just think for me personally if I was to disassociate myself with a religion in real life, I'm not sure I would want to be around it on the internet either. 

Help me figure it out.  The only reasons I can see would because you completely loath everything about the church, and you want to bash others who are members (which I don't think is the case with anyone still on the board.)

Or, you want others to see the "truth" that you found, but that also doesn't seem likely to me, because it would seem that since you've taken the initiative to worship, feel, and think what you want, you'd want everyone else to have the same choice.

So I know I'm totally missing the boat.  Any help?

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it could be that for some people like my self i have been using this forum for chat and friends for years before i was a member and now that im not for the same reason i liked the old room my friends there and the fact that it was clean at all times.

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This is not the first time I have heard this about chat and friends....

I think that maybe some of the newer members have come here thinking that our LDS Talk was some place they had used before primarily for chat.

One thing that I have asked for before was the ability to tell what religion each member belongs to so that when we read a post it will be clearer when that member comes from.

Heather, Is it possible to add that like you have done for our location beneath our avatars?

[Maureen]

Originally posted by Snow@Sep 9 2005, 06:25 PM

For what it is worth, we have already performed a baptism-for-the-dead for Maureen so technically she is Mormon.

What's that you say? Maureen's not dead yet?

Well, yes. We accounted for that. We did it in reverse by proxy baptising the corpse of my dear aunt Euphenia who passed on several years ago (who we keep in the closet for halloween) on Maureen's behalf.

No need to thank me - we aim to be of service.

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I'm sure that this act of thoughtfulness is purely out of the kindness of Snow's heart, but don't be too surprised if some forensic investigators come knocking on your door in the near future. (I'm giving you a head start)

M.

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by seamusz@Sep 12 2005, 04:02 PM

My big question is why when people sign and ask for an LDS answer to a question or dilemma they are met with a barrage of posts from non LDS people discouraging the poster from seeking an LDS perspective.

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Obviously, the posters here enjoy the dialect between members and non, or this would not be their message board of choice. There are plenty of boards that allow members only. Any poster that they perceive to be posting an 'anti' message is banned. The administrators on this board, of course, have the right to ban anyone they want... but until they do, people are welcome to say what they want.

I have posted in the past, asking that if anyone wishes I stop posting, to please let me know and I won't come back... but no one said that. Also, I now ask administrators to please ban those who are non-members if you don't like what is said. But I have to say that it would get pretty boring, except for people who don't like to think outside the box.

I do try to be respectful to the LDS religion, but also share my own ideas, or question things that do not make sense to me.

[Guest Member_Deleted]

Originally posted by shanstress70+Sep 14 2005, 05:47 AM-->

<!--QuoteBegin-seamusz@Sep 12 2005, 04:02 PM

My big question is why when people sign and ask for an LDS answer to a question or dilemma they are met with a barrage of posts from non LDS people discouraging the poster from seeking an LDS perspective.

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Obviously, the posters here enjoy the dialect between members and non, or this would not be their message board of choice. There are plenty of boards that allow members only. Any poster that they perceive to be posting an 'anti' message is banned. The administrators on this board, of course, have the right to ban anyone they want... but until they do, people are welcome to say what they want.

I have posted in the past, asking that if anyone wishes I stop posting, to please let me know and I won't come back... but no one said that. Also, I now ask administrators to please ban those who are non-members if you don't like what is said. But I have to say that it would get pretty boring, except for people who don't like to think outside the box.

I do try to be respectful to the LDS religion, but also share my own ideas, or question things that do not make sense to me.

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I came here because there were people I like to see post. Like Traveler, Ray, Lindy and Pushka and Strawberry Fields.

Those are my favorite posters even though we don't always agree. It is the people that makes a place for me to post... not necessarily the way they post. I don't even mind your posts Shanstress and I like you as well even though I don't agree with your view of the church.

[pushka]

Hey! Thanks for including me in your list of favourite posters Please! :)

[StrawberryFields]

I came here because there were people I like to see post. Like Traveler, Ray, Lindy and Pushka and Strawberry Fields.

Those are my favorite posters even though we don't always agree. It is the people that makes a place for me to post... not necessarily the way they post. I don't even mind your posts Shanstress and I like you as well even though I don't agree with your view of the church.

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Hey me too... I find myself in good company.

[Guest Member_Deleted]

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields@Sep 14 2005, 12:02 PM

I came here because there were people I like to see post. Like Traveler, Ray, Lindy and Pushka and Strawberry Fields.

Those are my favorite posters even though we don't always agree. It is the people that makes a place for me to post... not necessarily the way they post. I don't even mind your posts Shanstress and I like you as well even though I don't agree with your view of the church.

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Hey me too... I find myself in good company.

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LOL... I forgot to mention Heather whom we all love!