farmer Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 So thats how it works? HmmmmReid Criticizes Mormon Church for Proposition 8 Support - Political News - FOXNews.com Quote
Just_A_Guy Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 Senator Reid allegedly becomes "very active" in a host of different LDS wards during election season. Does this statement mark a shift in his 2010 campaign strategy? Quote
will227457 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 sorry guys can't say I disagree with mr Reid.... Quote
sixpacktr Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 Sifting, sifting, sifting.... Pray you aren't found on the opposite team, wondering how you got there... He is treading very dangerous ground here.... Quote
will227457 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 while I agree that marriage should only be between a man and a woman I do not think that government should be involved, it is a social issue...the government has enough control over us... that said as a CA resident I did vote for and support prop 8 because the prophet told us to.....he knows more than me, but it dosent mean I have to agree with him politically.... Quote
Just_A_Guy Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 FWIW, Will, I think what you did in California is honorable.But it seems to me that the claim that "government shouldn't control marriage" is more of an argument for government to stop recognizing straight marriages, than it is for government to start recognizing gay ones. Quote
Faded Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 Welcome to yet another time when things that greatly offend God are going out of their way to enter the mainstream. Homosexuality is ordinarily condemned by both the laws of the land and by the religions of the day. If we just sit back and let the media and the world to continue to redefine what is right and wrong, it won't be long before we are like the Romans: 1.) Gladiatorial games where people really die, and not just by freak accident. 2.) Pedophiles will be considered acceptable and create their own social norms within society. 3.) Gluttony and decadence among the priviledged classes of society. 4.) Homosexuality and bisexuality are considered to be perfectly normal and acceptable. Isn't it interesting how close we are to all of that being a reality? Quote
Misshalfway Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 This is called a political manuver. Or....selling your soul for a pot of porriage. Quote
will227457 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 Welcome to yet another time when things that greatly offend God are going out of their way to enter the mainstream. Homosexuality is ordinarily condemned by both the laws of the land and by the religions of the day. If we just sit back and let the media and the world to continue to redefine what is right and wrong, it won't be long before we are like the Romans: 1.) Gladiatorial games where people really die, and not just by freak accident.2.) Pedophiles will be considered acceptable and create their own social norms within society.3.) Gluttony and decadence among the priviledged classes of society. 4.) Homosexuality and bisexuality are considered to be perfectly normal and acceptable.Isn't it interesting how close we are to all of that being a reality?well you got 2 out of 4numbers 3-4...I think we are there already.....saddly Quote
will227457 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 FWIW, Will, I think what you did in California is honorable.But it seems to me that the claim that "government shouldn't control marriage" is more of an argument for government to stop recognizing straight marriages, than it is for government to start recognizing gay ones.I tend to be very libertarian in my political views....trust me I think the government should be way less involved in most everthing....it is sad that homosexuality it is becoming the norm..trust me I see it all the time in CA...but legislation is not the way to fix it.and no I have no good anwsers to help resolve the decay of our society... Quote
Misshalfway Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 I appreciate what you are saying, Will. I just wonder if legislation is all we have. I think we have a political responsibility to vote according to our consciences. Quote
hordak Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 While i am an opponent of SSM I actually agree with him. "While Senator Reid agrees with his church that marriage is between a man and a woman," Summers said, "he also believes that the resources that went into the Proposition 8 effort could have been put to better use." Quote
will227457 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 I appreciate what you are saying, Will. I just wonder if legislation is all we have. I think we have a political responsibility to vote according to our consciences.I voted against my concience in voting for prop 8....if legislation is all we have we are indeed in trouble....it is also a two edged sword if we can legislate marriage what else can be controlled by our government?I am sure that Oboma has our best intrests inmind....right? Quote
Misshalfway Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 I am not wanting the government in everything. But if the church, who usually stays neutral, decides to support an issue, who am I to say they shouldn't? They felt strongly about this issue and they promoted their feeling on the matter. Anyway, marriage is already legislated. Quote
will227457 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 FYI I did support it and voted for it.... Quote
Just_A_Guy Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 Come to think of it . . . is the issue that Reid believes that, or is it that he expressed that belief to people who are (presumably) openly hostile to us? Quote
hordak Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 Come to think of it . . . is the issue that Reid believes that, or is it that he expressed that belief to people who are (presumably) openly hostile to us? who knows what side hes playing for votes, he's a politician, just a step above lawyers:p;) Quote
rameumptom Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 It will be interesting on what the Church's response is. The standard is that as long as a person keeps their personal views personal, the Church will do nothing about it. But given his position in the Senate and in the Church, he may receive some warning by the Church not to attack the Church or go publicly against it in such an open way. Quote
Moksha Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 Reid said:Supports the Church teaching on marriage between a man and a woman, but feels all the money spent by the Church and individual members in this political venture, could have been better spent elsewhere. Perhaps on the mission of the Church or something. Quote
Tarnished Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 When I was in Utah and the vote came to our state on whether or not to allow gay marriage I really had a tough time with the vote. At the time I worked with and was friends with a few gay and lesbian couples, I could see things from their side, I could understand their arguments and what they were looking for from the bill. And so when I went to vote I had a tough decision ahead of me. Did I vote for the way I believed or did I vote for my friends and co-workers? In the end I went with my beliefs, and I voted no against the bill. There were a few riders on it that made voting no easier, but I still had the moral dilemma that I had to stare down. It is difficult when it comes to these matters, especially when you know people who it affects. However, when it comes down to it for me, I want to stick to my beliefs on something like this. I don’t want my children not knowing the difference between right and wrong because political correctness has become more important than morals. I see it as fearing the arm of man more than we fear the hand of God. Quote
Saguaro Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 I have to agree with Reid, I think the Church's resources could be used more effectively elsewhere. I recently read that 70% of all African American children are born out of wedlock. I think it is more beneficial to encourage people to get married and stay married than it is to prevent a small minority from getting married. Quote
Just_A_Guy Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 (edited) What could the Church do to convince African American couples to get/stay married? One would think that anyone who wanted to take marital advice from the Mormons would have joined the Church already. Edited October 13, 2009 by Just_A_Guy Quote
Generally_Me Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 Do you have a source, Saguaro? I don't doubt it I am just interested in numbers. Quote
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