Changes to John 3:16

[Snow]

Snow,

I know this has been debated in other threads, but for me it isn't up for debate. God doesn't sin--it would go against His very character to do so. If He were to sin, He would cease to be God, as He is, by His very nature HOLY.

Agreed that he "wouldn't" but your view is that he "can't," that he lacks the ability to do so (and remain God) - in other words, his status as the omnipotent God is conditional... and that's not a mainstream Christian view... which hold that God's existence is not conditional and depends upon nothing for its perpetuation.

[lattelady]

Traveler,

Back to an earlier post, I have a question about some things you posted as principles which govern God's relationships with man. The first two that I have a question about are:

1) God will not do for man anything which man can do for himself.

2)God will do for man anything which man cannot do for himself.

Those two principles are not based in scriptural truth. Where did they come from?

[Traveler]

Traveler,

Back to an earlier post, I have a question about some things you posted as principles which govern God's relationships with man. The first two that I have a question about are:

1) God will not do for man anything which man can do for himself.

2)God will do for man anything which man cannot do for himself.

Those two principles are not based in scriptural truth. Where did they come from?

Depends on how you read scripture. G-d asks us to do many things – all of which we are capable of doing. It is the things that we cannot do (for example redeem our own sins) that he does not ever ask us to do but he does do those things for us.

The Traveler

[Misshalfway]

Traveler,

Back to an earlier post, I have a question about some things you posted as principles which govern God's relationships with man. The first two that I have a question about are:

1) God will not do for man anything which man can do for himself.

2)God will do for man anything which man cannot do for himself.

Those two principles are not based in scriptural truth. Where did they come from?

It also depends on your understanding of love, because God is perfectly loving. Is it loving to do for a person what he can do for himself?

[Traveler]

Traveler,

Again, I'm sorry for the horrible behavior that you've seen displayed toward you and others--by "born-again's" or "evangelicals". I would never condone such behavior, nor would I take part in it. I'm embarassed by it. God is grieved by it.

On another note, I believe that a perfect God came down to earth in human form; I believe He was completely God/yet completely man when He walked the earth. Jesus was God in a tangible body of flesh and bone. I'm certain that there isn't a man alive who wouldn't feel excruciating pain if spikes were driven through their hands or feet. Jesus was no exception (as a man)--he felt pain. He felt sorrow. He felt righteous anger. He felt hunger. He was a man. Yet he was God.

When I say that He was perfect and you ask me if I have proof for that or if I just made it up, my proof lies in my belief that He was God. So when He says "Be perfect even as my Father is perfect", He also is included in that perfection because He and the Father are One.

I see your logic - so if someone is born again == meaning one with G-d they are perfect?

I understand your logic - but I do not agree.

The Traveler

[Misshalfway]

Here is a question for Non LDS.

In Revelations, 2 and 3, it talks about the rewards that come to those who overcome.

Specifically 2:26 and others. What is overcoming if not works? And how can works thwart grace? If works are inside of grace, how does requiring them undermind the gift?

[Traveler]

Here is a question for Non LDS.

In Revelations, 2 and 3, it talks about the rewards that come to those who overcome.

Specifically 2:26 and others. What is overcoming if not works? And how can works thwart grace? If works are inside of grace, how does requiring them undermind the gift?

One could also ask what is understood by the commandment to lay up instore treasures in heaven?

The Traveler