33 states report on stimulus job creation.

[bytor2112]

I love all the blame going around. If the stimulus bill hadn't passed people would be clamoring for blood because our president didn't get it passed, and y'all know it. Our president, the one term senator from Illinois who did not cause this problem is akin to someone trying to plug up a leaking dam while a bunch of hecklers shout insults from the top.

Those on your side would have been clamoring for blood. The bill was a huge payoff and a waste. He could be my hero if he were to repeal the bill now, rather than continue to spend it in the future on more wasteful nonsense. Want to grow the economy Mr. President? Give people a tax holiday for a year.....about the same amount as the stimulus bill and make permanent the tax cuts that are set to sunset in 2010....which will be a tax hike for everyone...bottom rate goes from 10% to 15%...everyone gets dinged.

[Just_A_Guy]

I had already read it. Even though I'm a Democratic who detests people in this country so much (per JAG), I still like to stay informed, even if it is conservative publication.

Elph

Elphaba, I hope I've never said that--it certainly is not my belief. If I've made a post suggesting as much, please direct me to the post and I'll happily retract it with a public apology.

--JAG

[Elphaba]

Elphaba, I hope I've never said that--it certainly is not my belief. If I've made a post suggesting as much, please direct me to the post and I'll happily retract it with a public apology.

--JAG

It appears I owe you the public apology.

Let me explain. I had copied your latest post to me on the "Obama's Healthcare Plan" thread, and then pasted it into my word processor so I could prepare a response.

I don't know what happened, but the document in the word processor has the words:

These Democrats detests the people of this country so much. They continue to look down upon us with disgust.

However, when I just looked for this in your post, it is not there.

So I am very confused as to how this came to be in my word processing document.

I am also extremely sorry for saying you said this, and will delete that post.

Elphaba

[Just_A_Guy]

No worries, Elphaba. I just wanted to make sure I hadn't been misbehaving behind my back! :)

That's odd about the word processor, though. I did a Google search on that precise text and got a link to Alan Colmes' website, here (quoting a comment offered on a conservative website here); both sites deal with the Pelosi/swastika kerfluffle. Perhaps that's the source? (By the way, Colmes' website demonstrates that at least the Fort Collins photo was contemporaneous with--or predated--Pelosi's comments, so nice catch there!)

Edited October 30, 2009 by Just_A_Guy

[boyando]

According to both articles, part of the problem is recipients don’t know how to determine if a job counts as “saved,” or not. I have no idea what instructions the government provided, but perhaps a more precise directive needs to be disseminated.

It is absolutely ridiculous to count tenured professors. It is also offensive because it appears, at least to me, that the university’s administration purposely chose to included tenured profs to make the numbers look better than they were. Did they think we’re so stupid we wouldn’t notice?

I think it is important to recognize there were still thousands of jobs that can legitimately be counted as saved by the stimulus.

Elphaba

The problem is still the same. We are being lied too.

All those who signed onto the "stimulus package" said that it was targeted at small business, were our President said that 65% of our Job market is employed. In your chart and in the world around me, I just don't see small business's getting a break.

Hate tax cut's if you will, but at least they go to everybody and not just to certain industries, chosen by the all seeing and all knowing government.

I will save you all the trouble. I know that when you have a tax cut of 3% for everyone, some one who makes around $100,000 a year, and has a tax obligation of about $25,000, has his/her tax burden lightened by $3,000, were as some one like me who struggles to survive at, lets just say $50,000, only gets a tax break of $1,500.

That's tax breaks for the rich............right?

Only (with out giving my exact income, etc...) my federal tax obligation was around $5,000 last year. That means a 3% cut would have netted me a 30% cut in my tax obligation. The poor sap (sarcasm) who made a $100,000, would have had his/her tax obligation lightened by %12. Don't bother to look at the 30% verses 12%. Focus only on the the fact that he/she who made twice as much, got twice the tax cut.

These are not exact figures (here again, I don't want anyone trying to figure out how little money I make) and because everyone has different write offs, it can't hold true for everyone's income. Basically, when I did my taxes last year, for fun, I put in some fantasy income numbers, just too see what would happen to my tax obligation.

You said "I think it is important to recognize there were still thousands of jobs that can legitimately be counted as saved by the stimulus". Because you are one of my two most favorite sisters, I think that I will let you give that statement another shot. Spending billions of dollars to save thousands of jobs, doesn't make a whole lot of since. Not even to a liberal.

I have no problem excepting the fact that jobs are being created or saved by the stimulus.You can't spend money and not give some one a job. But the President announced (through a vice Presidents aid) that the stimulus saved or created one million jobs. Unemployment has gone up by three million, during the time the stimulus package has been in affect.

In my opinion, and I know that I will be mocked and laughed at for saying it, is to once again spread the money around to everyone, via tax cuts. But we will, if we want to or not, let our government decide who will get what grant for cash. And though I don't want to be right, every time I here that we are going to have 10% unemployment, and no one see's that number going down before the middle of next year (and that date keeps moving in the wrong direction) I can't see a end too this problem.

I would really like to believe that the economy is on the rebound, but until my friends and family, who are out of work, get a job, I am not going to through a end of hard times party.

[Traveler]

I think at this point anyone that calls themselves a Democrat or a Republican needs to be ashamed; both in regards to their political contributions directly through their parties and in the fracture party politics has caused within our nation’s culture. It is deplorable – with both sides.

The party in power currently and without question is the Democratic Party and their behavior is reprehensible. Their behavior is so destructive and corrosive that waiting until the next election is becoming less and less an intelligent option for a free people. But replacing Democrats with Republicans is without question not an option that will not bring us any closer to real sustainable solutions. Republican have proven that whenever they are able to institute their partisan politics.

It is time for the people of this nation to rise up and take their country back. It is time to get rid of the Democratic Party and all it power bases and to dismantle the controls and non-sense from the Republican Party. It is time for a party of and for the people. Partisan reform has become this nation’s worse plague of our entire political history and is no better than foreign rule by despots that ruled the original colonies.

It is time for leaders to be transparent and quit hiding agendas, it is time to end closed door legislation and negations, it is time to end money buying political influence and power, it is time to end political favors to any originations involved in elections, it is time to end the excessive pay and benefits to elected officials (it make them fell more important than citizens) and it is time to end elected officials from being able to exercise more political influence just because of being elected additional times.

The Traveler

[NeuroTypical]

Apparently Bush had no problem with his Department of Agriculture using the phrase. Neither did the Wall Street Journal.

This is a fair point. It's also a good test we can apply to ourselves to see if we're hypocrites or not.

I'm not a hypocrite. I was against the first stimulus package under Bush, and I was against the next N packages from Obama also.

Again, what a trajic, horrible, unconstitutional, inefficient, wrongheadded bunch of crap. Taking money from my kids in order to give people jobs today is an abomination. Especially when the only way to keep many of these jobs going is to continue the govt money transfer.

LM

[Elphaba]

No worries, Elphaba. I just wanted to make sure I hadn't been misbehaving behind my back! :)

That's odd about the word processor, though. I did a Google search on that precise text and got a link to Alan Colmes' website, here (quoting a comment offered on a conservative website here); both sites deal with the Pelosi/swastika kerfluffle. Perhaps that's the source? (By the way, Colmes' website demonstrates that at least the Fort Collins photo was contemporaneous with--or predated--Pelosi's comments, so nice catch there!)

Okay, that's what happened. I did link that site, and yes, I was gloating that I found the photo.

I feel even worse now, and really stupid. When something seems outrageous I usually make sure I check it out. I find most of these things aren't what they appear to be. I dropped the ball this time.

Again, my apologies.

Elphaba

Edited October 30, 2009 by Elphaba

[Just_A_Guy]

Elphaba, I'm not remotely offended.

Let's talk wedding cakes.

[ryanh]

Looks like the job numbers reported are even less reliable than initially thought.

Reports Show Conflicting Number of Jobs Attributed to Stimulus Money - NY Times

[ADoyle90815]

All I know is that next year, some local school districts in my area are going to be laying off employees, including teachers hired since 2001.

[boyando]

I think at this point anyone that calls themselves a Democrat or a Republican needs to be ashamed; both in regards to their political contributions directly through their parties and in the fracture party politics has caused within our nation’s culture. It is deplorable – with both sides.

The party in power currently and without question is the Democratic Party and their behavior is reprehensible. Their behavior is so destructive and corrosive that waiting until the next election is becoming less and less an intelligent option for a free people. But replacing Democrats with Republicans is without question not an option that will not bring us any closer to real sustainable solutions. Republican have proven that whenever they are able to institute their partisan politics.

It is time for the people of this nation to rise up and take their country back. It is time to get rid of the Democratic Party and all it power bases and to dismantle the controls and non-sense from the Republican Party. It is time for a party of and for the people. Partisan reform has become this nation’s worse plague of our entire political history and is no better than foreign rule by despots that ruled the original colonies.

It is time for leaders to be transparent and quit hiding agendas, it is time to end closed door legislation and negations, it is time to end money buying political influence and power, it is time to end political favors to any originations involved in elections, it is time to end the excessive pay and benefits to elected officials (it make them fell more important than citizens) and it is time to end elected officials from being able to exercise more political influence just because of being elected additional times.

The Traveler

Traveler, although most of the time, I am right by your side on issues, I have to go the other way on this one.

I will continue to call myself a republican (little r) and with out much pride. On that I do agree. And, as we look at republican leaders, who listen more to what the Washington Post has to say, than there own people, I understand your desire to get rid of both parties.

The problem is, this movement is coming from the right, only. There are no cries from the left. So if we fall on our own sword, hoping that the other side will do the same, there will only be one party with any power.

Keep your passion, friend Traveler

[boyando]

Can I tell you all about my new wonder diet? I lost a hundred pounds last year and only weigh 10% more than I did last year.

You too can lose up too your total body weight, by counting every time you look at a piece of cake, and say no, as loosing pounds.

Results don't seem to matter in this brave new world.

[Just_A_Guy]

Lest anyone conclude the White House knows what it's doing:

Updated graph (beware that it's scaled differently; and apologies in advance that I couldn't find something less partisan).

[Elphaba]

Updated graph (beware that it's scaled differently; and apologies in advance that I couldn't find something less partisan).

Here you go:

Elphaba

[Elphaba]

Can I tell you all about my new wonder diet? I lost a hundred pounds last year and only weigh 10% more than I did last year.

You too can lose up too your total body weight, by counting every time you look at a piece of cake, and say no, as loosing pounds.

Results don't seem to matter in this brave new world.

Hey, I saw pictures of you at the reunion. You've had lots of cake.

Sis

Edited November 7, 2009 by Elphaba

[boyando]

Hey, I saw pictures of you at the reunion. You've had lots of cake.

Sis

Thus I only weigh 10% more