What "blessings" Come From Tithing

[Ray]

"They" still argue about smoking, just like "they" still argue about wine, and coffee, and many other things that some of [those people] think are good while other of [those people] think they are bad.

Or in other words, you can still find some people who disagree with other people, no matter what they are talking about, so how are we ever supposed to know who to believe?

[Maureen]

Originally posted by dizzysmiles@Nov 3 2005, 02:05 PM

...Also coffee and tea, read health magazines and look at the damage it does, if you dont believe me just go look at a coffee drinkers teeth.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about dizzy? I'd be interested in reading one of those health magazines that talk about the damage from coffee and tea. I'd bet they're not magazines from this universe, maybe an alternate universe.

I happen to be a coffee drinker and I have beautiful teeth if I do say so. You know we don't live in the dark ages.

M.

[dizzysmiles]

my sister in law whose russians hardest thing to give up was coffee, and you can tell coffee drinkeras from non i worked as a dental hygenist before i had kids and another damage is caffine expessiaallymountain dew dont belive me ask your dentist

[shanstress70]

That would be the sugar, not caffeine, Hun. Dizzy, with all due respect, I find it difficult to have an intelligent conversation with you. I'm glad you're happy in your religion.

[pushka]

Although there has been a proven link between the intake of Caffeine and raised blood pressure, it is possible to reap the benefits of coffee drinking if you drink DeCaffeinated coffee.

[dizzysmiles]

ouch shantress I unlike you don't mind having conversations with anyone regardless of their ignorance or religion, and if you thought i was ignorant re read all your posts. and no its not just sugar, thankyou pushka, you can't say that caffine doesn[t have an effect on your body, it keeps you awake and caffine is in some medicians. and second don't tell me that you can't have an intellgent conversation when youve never had a real conversation with me. You don't know me at all..talk about people being judgmental, its not just mormons. you proved that point. Go ahead and drink coffee, im not saying your "siner" i mean please do what you want with your life. go Eat drink and be merry

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Originally posted by dizzysmiles@Nov 4 2005, 12:02 PM

ouch shantress I unlike you don't mind having conversations with anyone regardless of their ignorance or religion, and if you thought i was ignorant re read all your posts. and no its not just sugar, thankyou pushka, you can't say that caffine doesn[t have an effect on your body, it keeps you awake and caffine is in some medicians. and second don't tell me that you can't have an intellgent conversation when youve never had a real conversation with me.  You don't know me at all..talk about people being judgmental, its not just mormons. you proved that point.  Go ahead and drink coffee, im not saying your "siner" i mean please do what you want with your life. drink, go drink some alchol while your at it it doesn't do anything "harmful"

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I read once in a medical report that caffine takes the moisture out of your cells.. making your skin look older and leathery....

[Jason]

Originally posted by Please+Nov 4 2005, 12:52 PM-->

<!--QuoteBegin-dizzysmiles@Nov 4 2005, 12:02 PM

ouch shantress I unlike you don't mind having conversations with anyone regardless of their ignorance or religion, and if you thought i was ignorant re read all your posts. and no its not just sugar, thankyou pushka, you can't say that caffine doesn[t have an effect on your body, it keeps you awake and caffine is in some medicians. and second don't tell me that you can't have an intellgent conversation when youve never had a real conversation with me.  You don't know me at all..talk about people being judgmental, its not just mormons. you proved that point.  Go ahead and drink coffee, im not saying your "siner" i mean please do what you want with your life. drink, go drink some alchol while your at it it doesn't do anything "harmful"

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I read once in a medical report that caffine takes the moisture out of your cells.. making your skin look older and leathery....

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And that's why it's a sin?

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Originally posted by Jason+Nov 4 2005, 01:00 PM-->

Originally posted by Please@Nov 4 2005, 12:52 PM

<!--QuoteBegin-dizzysmiles@Nov 4 2005, 12:02 PM

ouch shantress I unlike you don't mind having conversations with anyone regardless of their ignorance or religion, and if you thought i was ignorant re read all your posts. and no its not just sugar, thankyou pushka, you can't say that caffine doesn[t have an effect on your body, it keeps you awake and caffine is in some medicians. and second don't tell me that you can't have an intellgent conversation when youve never had a real conversation with me.  You don't know me at all..talk about people being judgmental, its not just mormons. you proved that point.  Go ahead and drink coffee, im not saying your "siner" i mean please do what you want with your life. drink, go drink some alchol while your at it it doesn't do anything "harmful"

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I read once in a medical report that caffine takes the moisture out of your cells.. making your skin look older and leathery....

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And that's why it's a sin?

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No that is why it is a WORD OF WISDOM... and sides if that is what it is doing to your outsides... what is it doing to your insides... I know a lot of people who have incontence because they drink the stuff.... so if you want to be wearing a diaper.... or something equivalent... then go ahead and drink your coffee and tea... LOL

[Maureen]

Originally posted by Please@Nov 4 2005, 11:52 AM

I read once in a medical report that caffine takes the moisture out of your cells.. making your skin look older and leathery....

Coffee is a very mild diuretic and it's easy to overcome dehydration by just drinking enough water each day.

The old and leathery look I think comes more from smoking cigarettes than from drinking coffee.

Smoking. Cigarette smoking causes biochemical changes in our bodies that accelerate aging. Research shows that a person who smokes 10 or more cigarettes a day for a minimum of 10 years is statistically more likely to develop deeply wrinkled, leathery skin than a nonsmoker. It also has been shown that people who smoke for a number of years tend to develop an unhealthy yellowish hue to their complexion. Additionally, a study conducted in 2002 showed that facial wrinkling, while not yet visible, can be seen under a microscope in smokers as young as 20.

These signs can be greatly diminished, and in some cases avoided, by stopping smoking. Even people who have smoked for many years, or smoked heavily at a younger age, show less facial wrinkling and improved skin tone when they quit smoking.

http://www.skincarephysicians.com/agingski...basicfacts.html

M.

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Coffee: How Bad is it Really?

By Dr. Joseph Mercola

with Rachael Droege

Although coffee is one of the most heavily researched commodities and studies have spanned decades, there is still much controversy surrounding its ill effects, or lack thereof, on health. Study after study is performed--often with conflicting results--and it seems there is always a new study out to discount the last one. Still, the average American adult consumes over 10 pounds of coffee per year, which amounts to a total of 2.4 billion pounds a year in the United States alone.

It appears that drinking coffee may interfere with your body's ability to keep homocysteine and cholesterol levels in check, most likely by inhibiting the action of the vitamins folate, B12 or B6. Coffee has been previously associated with increased risk of stroke and rheumatoid arthritis. Studies have also shown that caffeine in coffee can raise blood pressure and levels of stress hormones, and if consumed in large quantities it can lead to heart palpitations, jitters and nervousness.

With that said, coffee is clearly not the healthiest liquid to drink--the best choice is pure water--but coffee and caffeine are far less dangerous than fruit juice or soda. While I do believe that eliminating, or at the very least limiting, coffee should be one of your goals, if you are in the midst of other dietary changes, such as those outlined in my nutrition plan eliminating coffee can be put toward the bottom of the list, and you should strive to eliminate soda and fruit juice from your beverage list first.

There are, however, some important facets of coffee that you should know before you have your next morning cup.

Coffee and Pregnant Women

Pregnant women should NEVER drink coffee. Caffeine is a stimulant drug that easily passes through the placenta to the developing fetus and is also transferred through breast milk.

During pregnancy and in infants the half-life of caffeine is increased, which means that it will stay in your body, and your infant's body, longer. Moreover, fetuses have no ability to detoxify caffeine.

Research suggests that drinking more than 300 mg of coffee daily, or the equivalent of two to three 8-ounce cups, may increase the risk of miscarriage, birth defects such as cleft palate and low birth weight, although as I mentioned above I don't believe that ANY amount coffee is safe for pregnant women.

Even with moderate caffeine intake, when the woman experiences no effects, studies have found changes in both the mother's and the fetal heart rate and blood pressure. Preliminary studies also suggest that drinking four cups of coffee or more per day may put the infant at an increased risk of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). Caffeine may also make it more difficult for women to maintain necessary levels of iron and calcium, which are especially important during pregnancy.

It also appears that coffee consumption is associated with increased estrogen levels, which means an increased risk of breast and endometrial cancer.

Coffee also has the issue of pesticide contamination, which is particularly harmful during pregnancy. You can read more about this issue below.

Coffee and Pesticides

Coffee is usually not grown in the United States and we therefore have no control over how many pesticides are sprayed on coffee crops. As such, coffee is a heavily sprayed crop, so drinking coffee is likely to expose you to a dose of pesticides with each cup.

Pesticides have been associated with a number of health problems such as:

Prostate cancer and other cancers

Parkinson's Disease

Miscarriages

If you choose to drink coffee, drinking organic coffee might reduce or eliminate the exposure to toxic herbicides, pesticides and fertilizers. The only drawback is that the countries where coffee is produced probably have less control and monitoring for compliance to organic practices along with pesticide use. Another plus of organic coffee is that you will also be helping to protect the health of the people working in the coffee fields, as you will be helping to reduce their exposure to toxins as well.

Avoid Coffee if You Have High Blood Pressure, Insomnia or Anxiety

Since coffee is a stimulant it will only worsen the symptoms of insomnia and anxiety and should definitely be avoided. People with panic or anxiety disorders may find that they are especially sensitive to caffeine and may find that even a small amount of the stimulant exacerbates their symptoms. Similarly, the caffeine will linger in your body for hours after you drink it, so it may keep you up at night even if you drink it long before bedtime.

For those with high blood pressure, a general rule is that the more caffeine you drink in a day, the higher your blood pressure will be. So if you are already at the higher end of the scales, drinking coffee will only increase your blood pressure further.

How to Wean Yourself Off Coffee

If you try to stop drinking coffee "cold turkey" you will likely experience symptoms of withdrawal that can include severe headache, fatigue and depression. This can be avoided by cutting down the amount you drink gradually over a period of days or even weeks. It's also important to drink plenty of water during the process in order to keep your body well hydrated.

If you find that you miss your morning coffee-drinking ritual, replace it with a new tradition that will also boost your health and energy. Vegetable juice makes a great coffee replacement, and if you're in a hurry you can try Living Fuel Rx Superfood. Both options will give you the energy boost that you're looking for in the morning without the negative effects of caffeine.

While you're in the process of weaning yourself off coffee, here are some tips to reduce the chance of harmful effects until you can completely eliminate it:

Use organic coffee. As mentioned above, coffee is a heavily sprayed crop, so drinking organic coffee might reduce or eliminate your exposure to toxic herbicides, pesticides and fertilizers. It will also help the people working in the coffee fields, as they will be exposed to fewer pesticides as well.

Try "Swiss Water Process" decaf. If you are going to drink decaffeinated coffee, be sure that it uses a non-chemical based method of decaffeination. The "Swiss Water Process" is a patented method and is the best choice. Most of the major brands are chemically decaffeinated, even if it says "naturally decaffeinated" right on the container. If you are unsure of the methods, contact the manufacturer.

Avoid sugar and milk. These are actually much worse for you than the coffee itself. Don't compound the detrimental health effects by adding milk or sugar to your coffee.

Only use unbleached filters. If you use a "drip" coffee maker, be sure to use non-bleached filters. The bright white ones, which most people use, are chlorine bleached and some of this chlorine will be extracted from the filter during the brewing process.

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Related Articles:

Coffee May Damage Blood Vessels

Coffee, Tea, or Stress-Free?

Decaf Coffee Increases Rheumatoid Arthritis Risk

Coffee Drinkers Face Lower Parkinson's Disease Risk

Caffeine May Up Miscarriage Risk

Pregnant Women Need to Avoid Caffeine

[gwell]

Wow....

From Tithing all the way to Coffee.....Where to next?

[Guest Member_Deleted]

Originally posted by gwell@Nov 4 2005, 02:22 PM

Wow....

From Tithing all the way to Coffee.....Where to next?

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Any suggestions?

[dizzysmiles]

shantress, I was wrong i bet in person you and I would be best friends, wanna know why? becasue it's usually those who I think are enemies that become the best of friends in the long run.. I have nothing against you and i would like to know more about you. where are you from?

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by dizzysmiles@Nov 4 2005, 05:39 PM

shantress, I was wrong i bet in person you and I would be best friends, wanna know why? becasue it's usually those who I think are enemies that become the best of friends in the long run.. I have nothing against you and i would like to know more about you. where are you from?

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I'm sorry - I shouldn't have sd what I did. It's just that it seems like you can be talking about one thing, then shift and make some statement that makes absolutely no sense... like the Mtn Dew comment... and that causes me to give up. I know that Mtn Dew is bad for you, but the effects it has on your teeth are from sugar, not caffeine. Now, I am not saying that caffeine is good for you by any means. It is a drug, and should be used in moderation. Do you guys eat ice cream? It is bad for you in some ways, so I'm sure you try to keep it in moderation... right? Same with any fried foods, chocolate, etc.

I am from NC - where are you from?

Hope you have a great weekend!

[shanstress70]

Honestly, I don't even know what all this talk about caffeine is about. I've been told that the WoW isn't saying not to drink caffeine - it's just about no coffee and tea. I know MANY mormons who drink caffeine.

Which brings up the whole inconsistency of the WoW. I won't spend a lot of time on it, because it's been talked about and talked about here... but some say that you can have decaffeinated coffee and still follow the WoW. But then those same people will drink regular, caffeinated Coke and say that's OK too.

No one really knows what the WoW is referring to... everyone is just guessing. Even different prophets have stated inconsistent info.

IMO, coffee, fried foods, ice cream, wine, beer, candy, etc. are all OK in moderation. Sure, ice cream isn't good for you, but it sure increases the quality of life is a little way - just like a nice cup of coffee! (And yes, my teeth are that sparkly, and my face is far from leathery!)

[Guest Member_Deleted]

Originally posted by shanstress70@Nov 5 2005, 06:28 AM

Honestly, I don't even know what all this talk about caffeine is about.  I've been told that the WoW isn't saying not to drink caffeine - it's just about no coffee and tea.  I know MANY mormons who drink caffeine.

Which brings up the whole inconsistency of the WoW.  I won't spend a lot of time on it, because it's been talked about and talked about here... but some say that you can have decaffeinated coffee and still follow the WoW.  But then those same people will drink regular, caffeinated Coke and say that's OK too.

No one really knows what the WoW is referring to... everyone is just guessing.  Even different prophets have stated inconsistent info.

IMO, coffee, fried foods, ice cream, wine, beer, candy, etc. are all OK in moderation.  Sure, ice cream isn't good for you, but it sure increases the quality of life is a little way - just like a nice cup of coffee!      (And yes, my teeth are that sparkly, and my face is far from leathery!)

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The bad thing about soda isn't the caffine in them... it is the carbonation. It s u c k s the calcium right out of your bones and teeth...But add the caffine and it is a double wammy.

You may not be leathery now... but you are still young... I can always tell a lady in her sixties if she has been drinking coffee or tea... next to one who hasn't.

[dizzysmiles]

Thanks shantress, and you know these things i guess are fun to argue on them, which i gotta be careful cause i love to debate, but i still like the person im debating with , and i relize that the things we are talking about are really stupid lol. I wouldn't just come up and talk to yuou about what we are all doing wrong, im very opposite in fact and i just think this whole conversation thing is just to get into an argument, so i need to shut up now.. its all good.

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by Please+Nov 5 2005, 11:18 AM-->

<!--QuoteBegin-shanstress70@Nov 5 2005, 06:28 AM

Honestly, I don't even know what all this talk about caffeine is about.  I've been told that the WoW isn't saying not to drink caffeine - it's just about no coffee and tea.  I know MANY mormons who drink caffeine.

Which brings up the whole inconsistency of the WoW.  I won't spend a lot of time on it, because it's been talked about and talked about here... but some say that you can have decaffeinated coffee and still follow the WoW.  But then those same people will drink regular, caffeinated Coke and say that's OK too.

No one really knows what the WoW is referring to... everyone is just guessing.  Even different prophets have stated inconsistent info.

IMO, coffee, fried foods, ice cream, wine, beer, candy, etc. are all OK in moderation.  Sure, ice cream isn't good for you, but it sure increases the quality of life is a little way - just like a nice cup of coffee!      (And yes, my teeth are that sparkly, and my face is far from leathery!)

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The bad thing about soda isn't the caffine in them... it is the carbonation. It s u c k s the calcium right out of your bones and teeth...But add the caffine and it is a double wammy.

You may not be leathery now... but you are still young... I can always tell a lady in her sixties if she has been drinking coffee or tea... next to one who hasn't.

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Sorry Please, but that's all Mormon mythical stuff.

And actually, some Mormons I know drink soda (caffeinated and not) to the extreme.

Like I said, moderation is (almost) all things!

[dizzysmiles]

i drink carbination and yeah too much choclate too, i like the qoute, I am a woman of many moods, each requires choclate. or GOd please make my friends look fat. jk. but yes moderation is good i need to work onthat.

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Originally posted by shanstress70+Nov 5 2005, 10:55 AM-->

Originally posted by Please@Nov 5 2005, 11:18 AM

<!--QuoteBegin-shanstress70@Nov 5 2005, 06:28 AM

Honestly, I don't even know what all this talk about caffeine is about.  I've been told that the WoW isn't saying not to drink caffeine - it's just about no coffee and tea.  I know MANY mormons who drink caffeine.

Which brings up the whole inconsistency of the WoW.  I won't spend a lot of time on it, because it's been talked about and talked about here... but some say that you can have decaffeinated coffee and still follow the WoW.  But then those same people will drink regular, caffeinated Coke and say that's OK too.

No one really knows what the WoW is referring to... everyone is just guessing.  Even different prophets have stated inconsistent info.

IMO, coffee, fried foods, ice cream, wine, beer, candy, etc. are all OK in moderation.  Sure, ice cream isn't good for you, but it sure increases the quality of life is a little way - just like a nice cup of coffee!      (And yes, my teeth are that sparkly, and my face is far from leathery!)

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The bad thing about soda isn't the caffine in them... it is the carbonation. It s u c k s the calcium right out of your bones and teeth...But add the caffine and it is a double wammy.

You may not be leathery now... but you are still young... I can always tell a lady in her sixties if she has been drinking coffee or tea... next to one who hasn't.

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Sorry Please, but that's all Mormon mythical stuff.

And actually, some Mormons I know drink soda (caffeinated and not) to the extreme.

Like I said, moderation is (almost) all things!

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It isn't all mythical mormon stuff... grief... I have lived a long time and seen a lot of stuff...

my friend has drank diet coke for maybe 40 years and has pancreatic cancer her doctor said was a direct result of drinking that stuff... but that is only one of a dozen people I am privy to personal habits and illnesses resulting.;.. plus my MD brother has a slew more stories and knowledge on the subject he would be glad to share with ya... can't say it is apitizing though.... :)

[dizzysmiles]

did you know coke takes out grease stains in your driveway?

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Originally posted by dizzysmiles@Nov 5 2005, 03:29 PM

did you know coke takes out grease stains in your driveway?

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LOL... it cleans toilets as well!!!

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by Please+Nov 5 2005, 03:06 PM-->

Originally posted by shanstress70@Nov 5 2005, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Please@Nov 5 2005, 11:18 AM

<!--QuoteBegin-shanstress70@Nov 5 2005, 06:28 AM

Honestly, I don't even know what all this talk about caffeine is about.  I've been told that the WoW isn't saying not to drink caffeine - it's just about no coffee and tea.  I know MANY mormons who drink caffeine.

Which brings up the whole inconsistency of the WoW.  I won't spend a lot of time on it, because it's been talked about and talked about here... but some say that you can have decaffeinated coffee and still follow the WoW.  But then those same people will drink regular, caffeinated Coke and say that's OK too.

No one really knows what the WoW is referring to... everyone is just guessing.  Even different prophets have stated inconsistent info.

IMO, coffee, fried foods, ice cream, wine, beer, candy, etc. are all OK in moderation.  Sure, ice cream isn't good for you, but it sure increases the quality of life is a little way - just like a nice cup of coffee!      (And yes, my teeth are that sparkly, and my face is far from leathery!)

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The bad thing about soda isn't the caffine in them... it is the carbonation. It s u c k s the calcium right out of your bones and teeth...But add the caffine and it is a double wammy.

You may not be leathery now... but you are still young... I can always tell a lady in her sixties if she has been drinking coffee or tea... next to one who hasn't.

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Sorry Please, but that's all Mormon mythical stuff.

And actually, some Mormons I know drink soda (caffeinated and not) to the extreme.

Like I said, moderation is (almost) all things!

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It isn't all mythical mormon stuff... grief... I have lived a long time and seen a lot of stuff...

my friend has drank diet coke for maybe 40 years and has pancreatic cancer her doctor said was a direct result of drinking that stuff... but that is only one of a dozen people I am privy to personal habits and illnesses resulting.;.. plus my MD brother has a slew more stories and knowledge on the subject he would be glad to share with ya... can't say it is apitizing though.... :)

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I love you, Please!

I bet that is a result of sacharin, aspartame, etc. I don't TOUCH diet drinks... sugar may be fattening, but it doesn't cause cancer.

I don't even know why I'm arguing with you. I don't drink a lot of soda OR coffee... about one a day of one or the other.

[shanstress70]

Oh yeah, Please, I haven't forgotten about that CD - I'm just a slacker! It's in the car all packaged up and addressed to you, but I can never remember to stop at the P.O. I'll get it to you soon!