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If that is true, how can we trust the scriptures on gospel truths? We can't.

So many gospel truths, like the resurrection, depend on historical accuracy. Perhaps you should re-think your sources.

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You mean YOU can't.

I can and do.

Saying my sources are suspect does nothing to make the Bible more historically or scientifically accurate. If you are aware of all the biblical error, maybe you should check them out. It not like their isn't a boatload of material on it available.

I am well aware of many accusations against the Bible, I have looked into many of them too. But no I am unaware of any mistakes God made when He inspired the original writers, or any failure on His part to preserve those words for us today.

I hold the Scripture above myself and all human knowledge. But you place human knowledge above the Bible, because whenever a scholar or scientist brings forth evidence that seems to discredit the Bible you seem to consistently default to the scholar. So yes, when you do that, YOU can downplay (or write off as moral mythology) the historicity of the Bible and at the same time hope in the Gospel principles it teaches (if you believe it still teaches any at all).

You criticize the Bible with one side of your mouth and trust in parts of it with the other. Does that seem right to you?

"friendship with the world is..." you know the rest.

"trust in...(who?)...with all your heart, lean not on...(what?)..."

Or have you heard this one:

"The Fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge..."

good posting with you!

-Red

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I am well aware of many accusations against the Bible, I have looked into many of them too. But no I am unaware of any mistakes God made when He inspired the original writers, or any failure on His part to preserve those words for us today.

You criticize the Bible with one side of your mouth and trust in parts of it with the other. Does that seem right to you?

Okay,

1 Samuel 17 says David slew Goliath. 2 Samuel 19 tells us that it was Elhanan that did the deed.

Which one do you want me to trust and which one do you want me to believe that was uninspiredly written or preserved?

[Red]

A self-existent, trancendant God had to be in the picture. He is the only explanation. SomeONE had to make the decision to start it all.

Err.... that is a logical fallacy. Just because one does not understand something is not proof of a specific diety named as God.

In your opinion, what is the most logical explanation? Or should we be content to not know?

Now you could just reject Him and remain a traitor.

I am familiar with the evangelical God. NOt a very nice diety. I would rather be a traitor to this particular god. It's not a nice one. Fairly vicious actually.

You are very right indeed. "Safe?" Mr. Beaver said, "He's not safe! But He's good."

In a lot of ways the God of the Bible is very much like a mother bear with cubs. She is tender and caring towards them, providing everything they need; but if anyone poses a threat she tears them to shreds. Or a sheppard, he guides his sheep to grass and water, but any predator that comes by will get a hole in its head from the sheppard's slingshot. But that's only half the picture because this sheppard King takes in all lost cubs and sheep.

In this little ditty, ask yourself, "who are the predators? Why are they condemned?"

You can remind yourself that all of this is mythology, but you wouldn't really know that would you? No, you don't know at all, yet you insist it is so.

I can't 'prove' anything. Not even my existance. But try this one on for size.... try to disprove the invisible fire breathing Dragon living underneath my house. Why shouldn't I just worship this Dragon. He is nicer than your god.

Can't prove your existence? The fact that you're posting seems like fairly persuasive evidence. You refer to yourself as "I." You exist because you know you exist, you love because you know you love. I know God exists because I actually know Him and love Him. We're friends.

Have you fed this dragon? Petted him? Talked to Him? Did this dragon ever stick his neck out for you? Did he take on flesh and die for your sake? Is this dragon a threat to me if I reject him? Does he hold me accountable for any wrong done to you?

Notice I do not dismiss his potential existence off-hand...

Isn't that what so many people are calliing "faith" these days?

I am too smart to fall for that trap. Look at my handle. When you figure out why you deny the existance of the thousands of other possible gods, and various things that are supernatural, then you can understand why I deny the existance of yours.

Didn't know I was making a trap...? Do I even want to look at your handle? I'm a little weirded out...

anyway....

I do not dismiss that those 1000s (millions really) of other "gods" actually "exist." I really don't know if ghosts are for real or invisible dragons, though I wonder; same for anything "supernatural." Heck, if I believe in God I ought to be open to at least the possibility. But I do know for sure that demons are real and active, and in my opinion they are the "gods" so many people worship, maybe even the ghosts we see--they'll do anything to distract us from the true Living God.

So while I'm fairly sure that all those other "gods" do exist, I do not put any faith in them based on the trusting relationship I already have with God. You do not put faith in God based on your non-experience (non-relationship) with Him; also the thought that since not all religions can have it right they must all be wrong, and I'm sure many other reasons. So if there is no god to put your trust in, you may as well believe that there is no God.

Jesus said in so many words, "My sheep hear my voice and come to me, they know me, they won't follow a stranger." (John 10:1-18)

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I am well aware of many accusations against the Bible, I have looked into many of them too. But no I am unaware of any mistakes God made when He inspired the original writers, or any failure on His part to preserve those words for us today.

You criticize the Bible with one side of your mouth and trust in parts of it with the other. Does that seem right to you?

Okay,

1 Samuel 17 says David slew Goliath. 2 Samuel 19 tells us that it was Elhanan that did the deed.

Which one do you want me to trust and which one do you want me to believe that was uninspiredly written or preserved?

I'll start a new thread to respond to you. guess I'll call it "Bible Under Fire" or something cheezy and dramatic like that...and Elhanan was in 2 Sam 21:19, not chapter 19, typo I guess.

[sgallan]

In your opinion, what is the most logical explanation? Or should we be content to not know?

I don't 'need' to know everything right now. I am willing to let science figure it out. I am not the type of person who say.... well I don't know how this happened so therefore it must be God.

You are very right indeed. "Safe?" Mr. Beaver said, "He's not safe! But He's good."

See, the God of the Bible has done things that make the Hitlers and Stalins of humanity look like slackers. But because it is 'god' it is somehow okay.

In this little ditty, ask yourself, "who are the predators? Why are they condemned?"

I'd say this God is a predetor. If such a god exists I am doomed either way. I have a choice of two bad places to go.

Can't prove your existence? The fact that you're posting seems like fairly persuasive evidence. You refer to yourself as "I." You exist because you know you exist, you love because you know you love. I know God exists because I actually know Him and love Him. We're friends.

It is very good circumstantial evidence to be sure. But it's not infallible proof.

Have you fed this dragon? Petted him? Talked to Him? Did this dragon ever stick his neck out for you? Did he take on flesh and die for your sake? Is this dragon a threat to me if I reject him? Does he hold me accountable for any wrong done to you?

Maybe. Maybe not. But you disprove it if I said "yes">

Notice I do not dismiss his potential existence off-hand...

Wise. I cannot disprove your god either. But as my handle suggests..... when you figure out why you reject all other possible gods, then you'll better understand why i reject yours. But FWIW.... I am not trying to talk you out of your god. I don't need any converts. :)

[prisonchaplain]

[Okay, 1 Samuel 17 says David slew Goliath. 2 Samuel 19 tells us that it was Elhanan that did the deed.

Which one do you want me to trust and which one do you want me to believe that was uninspiredly written or preserved?

I'm sure there are a few details like this throughout Scripture. There are answers too, and google proves a wonderful tool. In this case, the culprit seems to be a copyist.

http://www.carm.org/diff/1Sam17_50.htm

[Sugarbay]

STOP ALL THIS FREAKIN' CONTENTION ALL THE TIME! WTFlip does this have to do with dinosausrs anyway? NOTHING! You guys would be a drag at a party.

B)

[IMHO]

STOP ALL THIS FREAKIN' CONTENTION ALL THE TIME!

I should just follow Sugarbay around and shout DITTO! For heaven sakes, people, give it up!

[Sugarbay]

You followin' me, IMHO? Kewl! B)

(Anyone see any dinosaurs around here?) B)

[IMHO]

I just like shouting DITTO, lol, and since you seem to have the same opinion as I do on most of the recent subjects, it was just funny seeing my opinion already written out!

[Traveler]

(Anyone see any dinosaurs around here?) B)

Perhaps if we knew what we are looking for. There is a possibility that birds are all that are left of the dinosaurs. This is an idea that is growing in support.

Sometimes what we want to see colors our opinion of what we think we see.

When we ask how old is the earth there are a few problem - consider the following.

A special space ship takes off from earth traveling in a stright line into space. It accelerates at a constant speed equal to the acceleration of gravity. But for fun let us pretend that this space ship continues a constant acceleration even as it apporaches the speed of light and beyond. As our space ship continues to accelerate it comes to what I will call a half way point and from there on the ship deaccelerates until it comes almost to a stop which we find is the same place where we started - back at earth. The trip for those on the ship would have lasted about a week. For those on earth the trip could take over 1,000,000 years.

There are two problems: 1. How could going in a stright line end up at where we started?

2. How long did the trip really take? 1 week or 1,000,000 years?

If we could ask G-d - what would he say? and is there any proof that what ever answer he gave would not convince someone that the answer was wrong? I think there are some people that want to believe certain things about the bible and then use a scientific view to prove they are right.

I am quite sure that most scientist I know will admid that there is still a lot missing and a lot to be learned. I have, for the most part found the opposit among relilgious thinkers. They seem to think they have all the information they need and therefore have everything all figgured out. To be honest - the more I listen the more I am convinced most scientific thinkers will be apoligizing less than most religious thinkers when G-d lets us all know exactly what happened and how things are - much like the answer to the question of what is at the center of the solar system, the sun or the earth.

The Traveler

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I got the answer to how the ship ended back on earth going in a straight line.

It was on the one eternal round trip.

Seriously, this is a very good perspective Traveler.