Sloops appear in court and hear charges

[pam]

For those around the country (especially in Utah) that have heard about this case...never in my life have I wished the death penalty more than I have on this case.

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[MsMagnolia]

I am in agreement with you Pam.

Matt. 18: 6

6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

That little boy never had a chance to live life because of the actions of those two evil beings.

[Hemidakota]

For those around the country (especially in Utah) that have heard about this case...never in my life have I wished the death penalty more than I have on this case.

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Wait...be patience o' patty-one.

But I hope, they are not members of the church. Are they Pam?

[pam]

Does it matter Hemi with what they did? Members or not.

[Hemidakota]

Yes I completely understand Pam but it is far worst for members who murder vice those who are non-members. For members, there is no 'forgiveness'. For non-members, through the efforts of the victim forgiving the parents and long duration of repentance, they will at least retain the telestial kingdom.

[pam]

Whether they are a member or not makes no difference to me. What they did to this poor innocent 4 year old was just horrendous.

[Saguaro]

Yes I completely understand Pam but it is far worst for members who murder vice those who are non-members. For members, there is no 'forgiveness'. For non-members, through the efforts of the victim forgiving the parents and long duration of repentance, they will at least retain the telestial kingdom.

What do you mean there is no forgiveness for members? I agree the guy is scum but member or not the atonement applies to all who repent.

[Bini]

I've never had a problem with the death penalty for people who commit heinous crimes. So I'm with you, Pam. Every time I see pictures of that little boy, I think, "how could someone?". Justice will be served because the Lord is our Judge.

[Dr T]

That's what I've always thought about the LDS belief-it basicaly is saying Jesus' work is not strong enough IMO.

[Hemidakota]

What do you mean there is no forgiveness for members? I agree the guy is scum but member or not the atonement applies to all who repent.

Read the Doctrine and Covenants section 132. It is the Lord that stated this - there is no forgiveness for murder who received the fullness of the priesthood...key here, is the FULLNESS OF THE PRIESTHOOD. For King David sake, he was only saved from loosing everything based on not receiving the fullness of the priesthood but half of his glory will be given to a person who is living in our day.

19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they commit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed in the flesh, and shall be delivered unto the buffetings of Satan unto the day of eredemption, saith the Lord God.

27 The blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, which shall bnot be forgiven in the world nor out of the world, is in that ye commit murder wherein ye shed innocent blood, and assent unto my death, after ye have received my new and everlasting covenant, saith the Lord God; and he that abideth not this law can in nowise enter into my glory, but shall be damned, saith the Lord.

Edited May 29, 2010 by Hemidakota

[Hemidakota]

That's what I've always thought about the LDS belief-it basicaly is saying Jesus' work is not strong enough IMO.

Actually, His mercies for us and overriding justice is beyond what we can truly comprehend.

[pam]

How did this thread get turned to a "Is murder a forgiveable sin" thread? Sheesh. The thread is about 2 people who are evil and murdered an innocent 4 year old boy.

[Dravin]

I must confess the image that came to my mind at seeing this thread was a pair of these drifting into the courtroom:

[Mahone]

How did this thread get turned to a "Is murder a forgiveable sin" thread? Sheesh. The thread is about 2 people who are evil and murdered an innocent 4 year old boy.

Actually the only fact we really have is that they murdered and tortured an innocent 4 year old boy. The rest of the sentence is an assumption. I don't usually comment on these types of threads, because it ends up boiling down to a "how dare you even attempt to defend them" stance against me, and I have lost at least one friend in the past over saying anything which is less than an attack on said perpetrators of these types of crimes. I did try and point out to her that I try to look at it from a non-emotional viewpoint, and it doesn't mean I support what they did (of course I don't), but no go. There is no way we can know what their state of mind was at the time, or even now. Psychologists can give us their opinion, but this isn't exactly a subject the world knows a lot about.

[Hemidakota]

Agreed....