Polygamy Possible In Canada?

[sgallan]

Much like some self-proclaimed "heathens" frequenting Christian chat sites. ;-)

Indeed. :)

[prisonchaplain]

If other churches were less concerned about fitting into society, and more concerned about how they will fit into heaven, this wouldn't be an issue.

Methinks there are some who are working like the devil to get into heaven. ;-)

I think what some LDS folk, and many other curious individuals are wondering is whether or not polygamy would be reinstated in the Mormon Church, should the practice be legalized in the United States. One LDS poster here suggested that the polygamy was not condemned as a practice by the Church, but merely suspended.

Since same-sex marriage has always been condemned by most churches, included the LDS, legalization would have little impact.

[Guest Syble]

Short version -

I am male. Still technically married. The wife is a alcoholic/drug addict. I am not sure where she is at the moment. I will get around to divorcing her at some point. That is if I can find her. I am rasing the one child we had (and about a half dozen other peoples kids in the heighborhood it seems as well). Once bitten twice shy I guess. Plus, I also have gay family and friends. Any institution which leaves them out isn't an institution worth saving. Just my opinion mind you.

So you are saying the world is getting more and more wicked? Yeah, it is.

As compared to what?

Oh yeah..... and I am a godless heathen.

Well if you are, as YOU say a godless heathen, you seem to be believing that even you have misnomed yourself, because your pride in your good works is completely evident. you> :

Gays are braking moral laws. You can pretend you are on the higher road defending such a practice, but you only fool yourself. You have actually taken the slippery road where all lines between what is right and wrong become hazy and eventually lost. It may look good to you now, but when it gets where murder and other haneous crimes become less and less wrong, you will see where your small beginnings ended up badly.

That is the reason we have boundaries and lines between right and wrong in the first place, so there is a safe stopping place. You take them away, there is no stopping more and more laws and moral lines moving furthere into the darkness of total blindness where nothing is wrong, except righteousness.

[sgallan]

because your pride in your good works is completely evident. you>

LOL.... humble I'm not.

Gays are braking moral laws. You can pretend you are on the higher road defending such a practice, but you only fool yourself. You have actually taken the slippery road where all lines between what is right and wrong become hazy and eventually lost. It may look good to you now, but when it gets where murder and other haneous crimes become less and less wrong, you will see where your small beginnings ended up badly.

I am 45 now, I think I can distinguish between such things thanks.

That is the reason we have boundaries and lines between right and wrong in the first place, so there is a safe stopping place. You take them away, there is no stopping more and more laws and moral lines moving furthere into the darkness of total blindness where nothing is wrong, except righteousness.

My boundries are different than yours, much like your boundries are different than folks like the Taliban who consider you immoral.

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My boundries are different than yours, much like your boundries are different than folks like the Taliban who consider you immoral.

Indeed if we didn't know what truth was, we would be comparable to these moogies.

[sgallan]

Indeed if we didn't know what truth was, we would be comparable to these moogies.

That is what they say too..... go figure.

Any number of other faiths who also claim to have the truth. Many of said faiths marginalize and demonize, and in extreme cases kill, those who do not share the faith. In many of cases they even call some of what they do as 'love'. But I think I'll remain secular. I rather like that my kids favorite Uncle is gay. I'd rather she think highly of him rather than demonize him.

[Guest Syble]

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I don't think the issue is how our Church views it, but that is is viewed as acceptable in a growing number of countries.

So you are saying the world is getting more and more wicked? Yeah, it is.

Yes, I'd say exactly that, and we have been told that would be the case.

Are you married? Are you male or female?

[Aristotle]

I think what some LDS folk, and many other curious individuals are wondering is whether or not polygamy would be reinstated in the Mormon Church, should the practice be legalized in the United States. One LDS poster here suggested that the polygamy was not condemned as a practice by the Church, but merely suspended.

Since same-sex marriage has always been condemned by most churches, included the LDS, legalization would have little impact.

In the Church's official website, I found the following article (excerpt) which addresses the Church's position on same-sex marriage and polygamy:

What Are People Asking about Us?

President Gordon B. Hinckley

Question 2: What is your Church’s attitude toward homosexuality?

In the first place, we believe that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God. We believe that marriage may be eternal through exercise of the power of the everlasting priesthood in the house of the Lord. People inquire about our position on those who consider themselves so-called gays and lesbians. My response is that we love them as sons and daughters of God. They may have certain inclinations which are powerful and which may be difficult to control. Most people have inclinations of one kind or another at various times. If they do not act upon these inclinations, then they can go forward as do all other members of the Church. If they violate the law of chastity and the moral standards of the Church, then they are subject to the discipline of the Church, just as others are. We want to help these people, to strengthen them, to assist them with their problems and to help them with their difficulties. But we cannot stand idle if they indulge in immoral activity, if they try to uphold and defend and live in a so-called same-sex marriage situation. To permit such would be to make light of the very serious and sacred foundation of God-sanctioned marriage and its very purpose, the rearing of families.

Question 4: What is the Church’s position on polygamy?

We are faced these days with many newspaper articles on this subject. This has arisen out of a case of alleged child abuse on the part of some of those practicing plural marriage. I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members. They are in violation of the civil law. They know they are in violation of the law. They are subject to its penalties. The Church, of course, has no jurisdiction whatever in this matter. If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church. An article of our faith is binding upon us. It states, “We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law” (A of F 1:12). One cannot obey the law and disobey the law at the same time.

There is no such thing as a “Mormon Fundamentalist.” It is a contradiction to use the two words together.

More than a century ago God clearly revealed unto His prophet Wilford Woodruff that the practice of plural marriage should be discontinued, which means that it is now against the law of God. Even in countries where civil or religious law allows polygamy, the Church teaches that marriage must be monogamous and does not accept into its membership those practicing plural marriage.

[Snow]

Polygyny is a man marrying more than one woman.

Polyandry is a woman marrying more than one man.

And JS practiced both.

[Jason]

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Polygyny is a man marrying more than one woman.

Polyandry is a woman marrying more than one man.

And JS practiced both.

Uh oh. Hope you've got your flame suit on...

[Amphiblitz]

In the Church's official website, I found the following article (excerpt) which addresses the Church's position on same-sex marriage and polygamy:

What Are People Asking about Us?

President Gordon B. Hinckley

Question 2: What is your Church’s attitude toward homosexuality?

[...]People inquire about our position on those who consider themselves so-called gays and lesbians. My response is that we love them as sons and daughters of God. [...]

My kids have a gay uncle, too, sgallen. In line with the scriptures and the current prophet's declarations, we do not demonize him.

Of course, now we are getting off topic...

[sgallan]

My kids have a gay uncle, too, sgallen. In line with the scriptures and the current prophet's declarations, we do not demonize him.

Practicing?

Besides..... I'd rather have the kid think well of her Uncle.... and not as something different or lesser. You know, along the lines of... Uncle Clifford is terrific except that he is gay. You know, where you say his is gay, and everybody sort of sighs and says.... "well that is to bad" or "I am sorry to hear about that".

And I sure as heck am not going to take her to a place where a fair amount of people are homophobic, and sometimes ignorantly cruel (I have seen it first hand), and not afraid to say so because they are in the 'safe' enclaves of what they think are people who agree with them. With the ones that don't agree being silent so as not to rock the boat.

[Amphiblitz]

My kids have a gay uncle, too, sgallen. In line with the scriptures and the current prophet's declarations, we do not demonize him.

Practicing?

Yes.

Besides..... I'd rather have the kid think well of her Uncle.... and not as something different or lesser. You know, along the lines of... Uncle Clifford is terrific except that he is gay. You know, where you say his is gay, and everybody sort of sighs and says.... "well that is to bad" or "I am sorry to hear about that".

And I sure as heck am not going to take her to a place where a fair amount of people are homophobic, and sometimes ignorantly cruel (I have seen it first hand), and not afraid to say so because they are in the 'safe' enclaves of what they think are people who agree with them. With the ones that don't agree being silent so as not to rock the boat.

Neither would I. I must have missed something earlier. Was someone trying to tell you where to take your kids?

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Polygyny is a man marrying more than one woman.

Polyandry is a woman marrying more than one man.

And JS practiced both.

Uh oh. Hope you've got your flame suit on...

Snow what are your sources?

or are you just getting some empty thrills?

[Snow]

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Polygyny is a man marrying more than one woman.

Polyandry is a woman marrying more than one man.

And JS practiced both.

Uh oh. Hope you've got your flame suit on...

Snow what are your sources?

or are you just getting some empty thrills?

Gee - how about the LDS Church as my source?

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/AF/...p?recid=7762167

[Winnie G]

Snow Stop drop and roll! :)

[Snow]

Snow Stop drop and roll! :)

[Winnie G]

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Snow Stop drop and roll! :)

[sgallan]

Neither would I. I must have missed something earlier. Was someone trying to tell you where to take your kids?

Nah, but I get it all the time. Especially when I suggest the kid is better off as secular or an athiest like dad. You see, it is these kinds of issues that have me thinking religion is more harm than good. Conceeding of course there is a lot of good in religion.

[Aristotle]

As LDS, it is our duty and responsibility to teach our children the truth. Children learn to accept homosexuality as being normal in public school libraries with textbooks such as "Meet my two dads" or "Meet my two moms". The position in the Church is to love and support homosexuals in their desire to change their lifestyle, not to promote it as "healthy and natural".

[Jason]

As LDS, it is our duty and responsibility to teach our children the truth. Children learn to accept homosexuality as being normal in public school libraries with textbooks such as "Meet my two dads" or "Meet my two moms". The position in the Church is to love and support homosexuals in their desire to change their lifestyle, not to promote it as "healthy and natural".

You have yet to establish any reason for the rest of us to accept the homophobia of Jehovah. Care to give a reason or two?

[sgallan]

Children learn to accept homosexuality as being normal in public school libraries with textbooks such as "Meet my two dads" or "Meet my two moms".

Whether you accept it as normal or not.... it is out still there. Would you prefer those kids merciless tease those kids that do have two moms, or two dads. Kids can be pretty cruel at times.

[Aristotle]

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As LDS, it is our duty and responsibility to teach our children the truth. Children learn to accept homosexuality as being normal in public school libraries with textbooks such as "Meet my two dads" or "Meet my two moms". The position in the Church is to love and support homosexuals in their desire to change their lifestyle, not to promote it as "healthy and natural".

You have yet to establish any reason for the rest of us to accept the homophobia of Jehovah. Care to give a reason or two?

Since it is your [false] claim that "Jehovah is a homophobe", the burden of proof lies upon you!

Children learn to accept homosexuality as being normal in public school libraries with textbooks such as "Meet my two dads" or "Meet my two moms".

Whether you accept it as normal or not.... it is out still there. Would you prefer those kids merciless tease those kids that do have two moms, or two dads. Kids can be pretty cruel at times.

As Christians, we are taught to "hate the sin, but to love the sinner". In my experience, some kids are teased because they have a mother and father living at home. Normal is not abnormal, nor is abnormal normal.

[sgallan]

Since it is your [false] claim that "Jehovah is a homophobe", the burden of proof lies upon you!

Prove there even is a Jehovah. Then prove the one you worship is the correct one (of thousands of variations). When you can do that I'll be more inclined to care about what this Jehovah says about homosexuality. Until then, it is just a religious thing I don't feel all that bound too being as I believe in no Jehovahs or religions.

[Winnie G]

I would whoop them for teasing any one gay or straight.

Sexual sin whether gay or straight is still a sin. That is what you teach your children.

I have a dear friend who is gay, I do not love him any less but I am very concerned for his safety do to angry homafobic's.

I am very disturbed by public schools bring in homosexuals in to speak to classrooms about there life style choices. The school thinking is about information. I myself do not want them handing out wooden folic symbols and teaching high school students male and female how to put condoms on. Yes, this happened in sex Ed with my two oldest sons.

A member friend of mine had her daughter (16) suspended from school until she admitted to her class that her beliefs were homophobic. She was home schooled the rest of high school. The school board stood by the principle decision.

There is a disturbing trend among high schools in Canada that it’s cool to be bisexual.

Gee I wonder were that came from?