Nuclear war precede second coming?

[jcob]

I was reading Revelations 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds". In Mathew 24:30 it says "they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven". Why clouds?

After a period of nuclear war there has been a predicted cooling and darkening of the earth known as nuclear winter. It has been predicted from pysics calculations.

(For more info on nuclear winter see

).

Just before Mathew 24:30, in verse 29 it says "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light".

The smoke from a small nuclear war is enough to produce particles of smoke and soot which when released into the air will cause sunlight to be blocked.

So, just before Christ comes there just happens to be a period of darkness.

Not to mention we are expecting wars "nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom" (Mathew 24:6)

In Mathew 24:7 it says "and there shall be famines".

Nuclear winter will cause massive agricultural effects will can result in mass starvation.

Your thoughts? Have anything to add to back up this theory?

[FunkyTown]

Could be several things.

Could be a comet. A comet hitting the planet could darken the skies and cause mass famine, as well as the gigantic earthquakes that Revelation is full of - Such as 'Every island fleeing its place'.

Could be a time of heightened volcanic activity. There have been several times in history when volcanic eruptions have changed weather.

Could be simply God's power.

The fact is - We don't know. Best to be prepared for what scriptures says for sure will happen.

[blackknight5k]

It could be just clouds, it could be a large volcanic cloud, it could be irradiated clouds from a nuclear fallout, it could be a dust cloud caused by an asteroid impact on the earth which darkens the sun and puts us in a similar situation as nuclear winter.

I don't think there's really doctrine to back-up any of this speculation, we'll know when it happens.

[jcob]

Good thinking, could be anything. Thanks for your input

[rameumptom]

In the April 1979 General Conference, Elder Bruce R. McConkie noted:

I stand before the Church this day and raise the warning voice. It is a prophetic voice, for I shall say only what the apostles and prophets have spoken concerning our day...

We do not say that all of the Saints will be spared and saved from the coming day of desolation. But we do say there is no promise of safety and no promise of security except for those who love the Lord and who are seeking to do all that he commands.

It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of faith and the authority of the priesthood can save individuals and congregations from the atomic holocausts that surely shall be.

And so we raise the warning voice and say: Take heed; prepare; watch and be ready. There is no security in any course except the course of obedience and conformity and righteousness.

Not sure if there is a difference between atomic and nuclear holocausts. Perhaps instead of bombings, it will be lots of reactors going Chernobyl on us. Who knows? And it doesn't necessarily relate the clouds of Jesus' coming with the atomic holocaust to come.

[Blackmarch]

I was reading Revelations 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds". In Mathew 24:30 it says "they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven". Why clouds?

After a period of nuclear war there has been a predicted cooling and darkening of the earth known as nuclear winter. It has been predicted from pysics calculations.

(For more info on nuclear winter see

).

Just before Mathew 24:30, in verse 29 it says "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light".

The smoke from a small nuclear war is enough to produce particles of smoke and soot which when released into the air will cause sunlight to be blocked.

So, just before Christ comes there just happens to be a period of darkness.

Not to mention we are expecting wars "nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom" (Mathew 24:6)

In Mathew 24:7 it says "and there shall be famines".

Nuclear winter will cause massive agricultural effects will can result in mass starvation.

Your thoughts? Have anything to add to back up this theory?

Well Christ came from the clouds in the BoM... clouds is pretty generic as much as you can have clouods from nuclear devastation, you can also have them from extreme weather, volcanoes, asteroid impacts, etc...

In the bible the only thing i can find that couuld possibly have a fairly high coincidence with anything nuclear is the melting of the elements (if one were to take a literal reading on it)... however theres nothing to indicate whether such an event is global or isolated. Or a big enough object striking the earth could cause the elements to melt (supposing its referring to an isolated event)

Edited March 17, 2011 by Blackmarch

[rameumptom]

Best way for the elements to melt? Solar flares, or even to have the Sun go supernova.

[Blackmarch]

Best way for the elements to melt? Solar flares, or even to have the Sun go supernova.

Which is still a nuclear event

well that's supposing either some event causes the sun to go thru that cycle, or that the scientists and etc are waaaayyyyyyy off on their calculations of of what and how much matter comprises the sun and/or the lifecycle of stars.... or the second coming is a lot further down the the road.

Edited March 17, 2011 by Blackmarch

[rameumptom]

Only on the supernova issue. On major solar flares or other eruptions, the Sun does them all the time. And it is possible it could have a huge hiccup that fries the earth.

Comforting thought. Ain't it?

[Blackmarch]

Only on the supernova issue. On major solar flares or other eruptions, the Sun does them all the time. And it is possible it could have a huge hiccup that fries the earth.

Comforting thought. Ain't it?

That'd be one monster of an explosion. Well about as comforting as having a giant green alien come and step on you.

[SeattleTruthSeeker]

I was reading Revelations 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds". In Mathew 24:30 it says "they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven". Why clouds?

After a period of nuclear war there has been a predicted cooling and darkening of the earth known as nuclear winter. It has been predicted from pysics calculations.

(For more info on nuclear winter see

).

Just before Mathew 24:30, in verse 29 it says "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light".

The smoke from a small nuclear war is enough to produce particles of smoke and soot which when released into the air will cause sunlight to be blocked.

So, just before Christ comes there just happens to be a period of darkness.

Not to mention we are expecting wars "nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom" (Mathew 24:6)

In Mathew 24:7 it says "and there shall be famines".

Nuclear winter will cause massive agricultural effects will can result in mass starvation.

Your thoughts? Have anything to add to back up this theory?

Both, Tacitus and Josephus record a very remarkable event that happened when the Roman Army came up against Jerusalem.

Josephus -

3. Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these deceivers, and such as belied God himself; while they did not attend nor give credit to the signs that were so evident, and did so plainly foretell their future desolation, but, like men infatuated, without either eyes to see or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that God made to them. Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet, that continued a whole year. Thus also before the Jews' rebellion, and before those commotions which preceded the war, when the people were come in great crowds to the feast of unleavened bread, on the eighth day of the month Xanthicus, [Nisan,] and at the ninth hour of the night, so great a light shone round the altar and the holy house, that it appeared to be bright day time; which lasted for half an hour. This light seemed to be a good sign to the unskillful, but was so interpreted by the sacred scribes, as to portend those events that followed immediately upon it. At the same festival also, a heifer, as she was led by the high priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb in the midst of the temple. Moreover, the eastern gate of the inner [court of the] temple, which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor, which was there made of one entire stone, was seen to be opened of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night. Now those that kept watch in the temple came hereupon running to the captain of the temple, and told him of it; who then came up thither, and not without great difficulty was able to shut the gate again. This also appeared to the vulgar to be a very happy prodigy, as if God did thereby open them the gate of happiness. But the men of learning understood it, that the security of their holy house was dissolved of its own accord, and that the gate was opened for the advantage of their enemies. So these publicly declared that the signal foreshowed the desolation that was coming upon them. Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities.

Tacitus -

Prodigies had occurred, which this nation, prone to superstition, but hating all religious rites, did not deem it lawful to expiate by offering and sacrifice. There had been seen hosts joining battle in the skies, the fiery gleam of arms, the temple illuminated by a sudden radiance from the clouds. The doors of the inner shrine were suddenly thrown open, and a voice of more than mortal tone was heard to cry that the Gods were departing. At the same instant there was a mighty stir as of departure.

Whenever we encounter God, we find him coming in "Heavenly Clouds" for instance, look at the story of Moses when the children of Israel came to Mount Sinai where they received the Ten Commandments. God came down upon the mountian in "Clouds".

[rex8499]

I don't think the mentioning of clouds during Jesus' return means that it will follow a nuclear holocaust, just that he will appear in the sky.

But I do think there is some evidence that we will have a bad nuclear war in the end times. It certainly seems like a logical possibility. But it could just as easily be some other even more powerful technology which has not even been conceived of yet. Nuclear technology is still in it's infancy, but has proliferated incredibly fast. Who knows what the next century holds.

[mrmarklin]

When one considers the totality of what we know about the second coming, I believe this (nuclear war) to be highly unlikely.

Remember, the gospel will roll forth and fill the whole world. This is not very likely in a post holocaust environment.

My personal belief is that the world will continue to get more liberal as we have since the invention of modern communications (the printing press). Until all the nations will be cut down as we know them now. In our halting way, the prophecy of Daniel is being surely but slowly fulfilled. One hundred years ago Europe was almost totally monarchist, and last century fought two of the most destructive wars in human history. Look at Europe now. The EU is strong and getting stronger. Not much chance of war anymore. I believe this pattern will be repeated in all regions of the world in preparation of the second coming. That is the only way that the Gospel will have a chance to be preached to all the world, and God's order established.

To accomplish the above, of course war is unfortunately necessary, hence "wars and rumors of wars". But a lot of evil gets destroyed in war too........................