Dr T Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Hello all,In another thread, Des said, We believe that you need all of the temple ordinances(sp?) done before you can go to the celestial kingdom, and so we do it for the dead.. and I DO have scripture.....1 Corinthians 15:28-29, but ofcourse reading the whole chapter might be best for understanding (if you have the spirit helping ofcourse, so pray first too).[sic]This brought up a question I have. I'm sure this has been asked before and I'd like to know how it is resolved. Since there are rites of passage that need to be accomplished before progressing to godhood this bring me to a question about Jesus. Jesus is held up as a God in LDS teachings and I assume then, that He would have to accomplish all those ordinances as well. Do you see Him as became a god without accomplishing them? Being married in the temple for example might be one He did not accomplish. What are some others that are required that we do not know if He fulfilled? Thank you.Dr. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaFKon Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Interesting question, Dr. T....I look forward to seeing the answers you get...The early Christians didn't have temples did they? Is there any reason to believe that any of the Apostles would have done "temple work" either? Josh B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Hello all,In another thread, Des said, We believe that you need all of the temple ordinances(sp?) done before you can go to the celestial kingdom, and so we do it for the dead.. and I DO have scripture.....1 Corinthians 15:28-29, but ofcourse reading the whole chapter might be best for understanding (if you have the spirit helping ofcourse, so pray first too).[sic]This brought up a question I have. I'm sure this has been asked before and I'd like to know how it is resolved. Since there are rites of passage that need to be accomplished before progressing to godhood this bring me to a question about Jesus. Jesus is held up as a God in LDS teachings and I assume then, that He would have to accomplish all those ordinances as well. Do you see Him as became a god without accomplishing them? Being married in the temple for example might be one He did not accomplish. What are some others that are required that we do not know if He fulfilled? Thank you.Dr. TUmm.. about merraige in the temple...I will NOT expand on this at all, because it is not something I am told I am supposed to talk about,but I would just like to state that I have reason to believe that he was married in the temple.I do believe that God has a body of flesh and bone just as Jesus and God do aswell to help him aquire these ordinances.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaFKon Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Umm.. about merraige in the temple...I will NOT expand on this at all, because it is not something I am told I am supposed to talk about,but I would just like to state that I have reason to believe that he was married in the temple.I do believe that God has a body of flesh and bone just as Jesus and God do aswell to help him aquire these ordinances..You can't talk about the ceromony, ok, I respect that...................But......can you tell us why you think Jesus was married!? (let alone in the temple)Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Umm.. about merraige in the temple...I will NOT expand on this at all, because it is not something I am told I am supposed to talk about,but I would just like to state that I have reason to believe that he was married in the temple.I do believe that God has a body of flesh and bone just as Jesus and God do aswell to help him aquire these ordinances..You can't talk about the ceromony, ok, I respect that...................But......can you tell us why you think Jesus was married!? (let alone in the temple)Josh Jesus isn't married. I was talking about heavenly father!!!!! someone was talking about him getting a bride at the second coming or something...whatever.. he is not married...Can't talk about the ceremony?I am sure if I knew about it, I would be able to talk about it....I.. just... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaFKon Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Jesus isn't married. I was talking about heavenly father!!!!! someone was talking about him getting a bride at the second coming or something...whatever.. he is not married...Can't talk about the ceremony?I am sure if I knew about it, I would be able to talk about it....I.. just...Oh! I thought you meant Jesus, My bad!God's "bride" thing is a medaphor too, "the bride of Christ..."Romans 7:4; II Corinthians 11:2;http://www.gotquestions.org/bride-of-Christ.htmlhttp://www.barr-family.com/godsword/wedding.htmJosh B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Jesus isn't married. I was talking about heavenly father!!!!! someone was talking about him getting a bride at the second coming or something...whatever.. he is not married...Can't talk about the ceremony?I am sure if I knew about it, I would be able to talk about it....I.. just...Oh! I thought you meant Jesus, My bad!God's "bride" thing is a medaphor too, "the bride of Christ..."Romans 7:4; II Corinthians 11:2;http://www.gotquestions.org/bride-of-Christ.htmlhttp://www.barr-family.com/godsword/wedding.htmJosh B)I never looked into it...Oh, and *metaphor Correcting you felt good!EDIT: Did you mean heavenly fathers bride thing?Whatever you are telling me is not why I have reason to believe.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted September 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Hi Des/all, Since you are saying that Jesus was not married, how did He become a God in your system? Thanks, Dr. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenRaines Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Three is speculation that he should have been married. In the Jewish faith only those who were married were allowed to teach in the temple. Also it is very common and almost unheard of for devout Jewish young men to not be married by their mid twenties. There is also speculation that the wedding feast referred to in the scripture was possibly Christ's wedding celebration. I have not researched this in detail but have heard it discussed in classes on the New Testament. These are only my opinions and not LDS doctrine. Ben Raines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted September 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Thank you for your initial thoughts BenRaines. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaFKon Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 I never looked into it...Oh, and *metaphor Correcting you felt good! *gasp* I made a mistake! I'm afriad I have a confession to make................Spelling is not my strong suit. (my little sister (7) can spell better then me......... )Well at least you enjoyed it...... Josh B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 *gasp* I made a mistake! You are surprised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaFKon Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 <div class='quotemain'> *gasp* I made a mistake! You are surprised?I'm in shock ......(I've never made a mistake before you see) Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 HAHAHAHA! As if you arn't human huh? Newsflash.. you are human, and you have made mistakes. I don't need to know you very well to know that. Sorry to break it to ya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MrsS Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 I'm afriad I have a confession to make................Spelling is not my strong suit. (my little sister (7) can spell better then me......... ) Josh B)Josh, use the spell check - it is at the top of the screen, it is ABC with a check mark under it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaFKon Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>I'm afriad I have a confession to make................Spelling is not my strong suit. (my little sister (7) can spell better then me......... ) Josh B)Josh, use the spell check - it is at the top of the screen, it is ABC with a check mark under it.Thanks Mrs. S,I'll do that...(although sometimes I'm so far of it dosn't work)On the bright side It gives me a better vocabulary...gotta think of words that mean the same thing but are easier to spell Josh HAHAHAHA! As if you arn't human huh? Newsflash.. you are human, and you have made mistakes. I don't need to know you very well to know that. Sorry to break it to ya!Yeah, I guess if I made that mistake I can't be perfect............oh well Josh To get back to Dr. T's topic...what about Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Moses, etc people who were born before there was a temple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 They were taught afterwards.. and that is when ordinances for the dead started. That makes perfect sense to me! We still need it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaFKon Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 They were taught afterwards.. and that is when ordinances for the dead started. That makes perfect sense to me! We still need it!I don't understand what you're saying...Moses, Jacob, etc...don't need temple work....everybody else does?Josh B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>They were taught afterwards.. and that is when ordinances for the dead started. That makes perfect sense to me! We still need it!I don't understand what you're saying...Moses, Jacob, etc...don't need temple work....everybody else does?Josh B)Who says that no one did it for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaFKon Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Who says that no one did it for them?Well...for one thing its never mentioned that they preformed any temple work.If you mean...someone did it by proxy....#1 I doubt many desentents of Abraham are Mormon, #2 there is no way you could trace your ansestory back that far.Josh B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Who says that no one did it for them?Well...for one thing its never mentioned that they preformed any temple work.If you mean...someone did it by proxy....#1 I doubt many desentents of Abraham are Mormon, #2 there is no way you could trace your ansestory back that far.Josh B)Yes you can.. of you had royalty in your family, you can get it as far as Adam and Eve.. and it HAS been done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dorsey Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Who says that no one did it for them?Well...for one thing its never mentioned that they preformed any temple work.If you mean...someone did it by proxy....#1 I doubt many desentents of Abraham are Mormon, #2 there is no way you could trace your ansestory back that far.JoshuaK....#1 There are a whole lot of Abraham's descendants who are Mormon....My descendants came from the tribe of Ephriam. I know it's hard to understand...Temple work was different before Christ came...it was for a different purpose, but after Christ came, Moasic law was abolished and not needed, however the new Temple orinances were needed so that those who never heard of or will hear of Jesus Christ can have the opportunity to accept those truths while in the Spirit world and be Baptised by Proxy and recieve the other ordinances by proxy. This includes everyone who lived before Christ, yes even acient Prophets. This is the love that God has for each and every one of us...to give everyone the chance.#2 No in this world it is impossible to trace ancestory back further than the 16th century without any accuracy. However, during the millineum all will be revealed and all Temple work will be done.PS: I traced my paternal ancestry back to 846....whether it's accurate I don't know...the church does not allow any temple work to be performed for anyone before the 16th century because it's not accurate.I hope that helps your understanding of Temple work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaFKon Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 JoshuaK....#1 There are a whole lot of Abraham's descendants who are Mormon....My descendants came from the tribe of Ephriam. decentants from the Book of Mormon people? I know it's hard to understand...Temple work was different before Christ came...it was for a different purpose, but after Christ came, Moasic law was abolished and not needed, however the new Temple orinances were needed so that those who never heard of or will hear of Jesus Christ can have the opportunity to accept those truths while in the Spirit world and be Baptised by Proxy and recieve the other ordinances by proxy. This includes everyone who lived before Christ, yes even acient Prophets. This is the love that God has for each and every one of us...to give everyone the chance.everyone who has temple work done for them you mean.....#2 No in this world it is impossible to trace ancestory back further than the 16th century without any accuracy. However, during the millineum all will be revealed and all Temple work will be done.PS: I traced my paternal ancestry back to 846....whether it's accurate I don't know...the church does not allow any temple work to be performed for anyone before the 16th century because it's not accurate.I hope that helps your understanding of Temple workI didn't think so....Josh B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Wow... you are always right, huh Josh? *Don't anwser, you arn't.* And no... Christ gives EVERYONE a chance... ps. your picture nearly killed me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaFKon Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Wow... you are always right, huh Josh?many people do get that impression...but I have made a couple mistakes here and there (mostly spelling errors) ps. your picture nearly killed me! You don't like my pic?! It kinda got messed-up when I uploaded it..... Josh B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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