Article 7: Are Mormons Pentecostal?

[Princess3dward]

P.S. I really liked this string...until it imploded.

I am sorry..

.I think that is my fault!

[prisonchaplain]

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P.S. I really liked this string...until it imploded.

I am sorry...I think that is my fault!

Survery says---BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Wrong answer. I'm afraid you get no hero cookie this time. You ARE NOT at fault.

[Princess3dward]

Survery says---BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Wrong answer. I'm afraid you get no hero cookie this time. You ARE NOT at fault.

*thinking* that might be better than the hero cookie.

THANK YOU PC!

[Ray]

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Can you love me for who I am... not what I think?

Ray, how a person thinks plays a part in who they become.

Yes, I agree with that, but what does that have to do with whether or not you love me, or another person?

Does how or what a person thinks have anything to do with whether or not you can love them?

Regardless of what you think, or how you think, for me, it truly does not.

I can love anybody regardless of all that, and by truly knowing God, I truly do.

If a person can't get to know you based on your words, especially through cyber space, then how?

Heh, I never said a person can't get to know me based on my words... as long as they truly understand what I mean when I use some words to share what I think and how I feel about something.

And who can truly determine whether or not someone truly understands me?

Why God, of course. And me too. I know me. If you're wrong, and I know it, I can correct you.

So just ask me about me. Or ask God about me. Do you think you know me more than we do?

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Ray: Can you love me no matter what I may think, say, or do?

Not until then can you truly know God.

How arrogant can anyone get? Knowing God has nothing to do with you Ray, there are millions of people who don't even know you exist Ray, but they know and love God.

You're getting a little crazy there!

Heh, No, YOU are the one who is getting crazy. How could you POSSIBLY think I meant THAT?!?

How could you possibly think I meant someone had to "know" me before they can ever know God?

Did I say that? No I didn't. I know I did not. And if you could see my words you would see that.

And if you had a little trouble understanding my words you could've simply asked God or me what I meant.

But instead of doing that you thought of something so ridiculous that anyone who knows English can see that.

What I said is not what you said. What you said is not what I said. Try reading it again to see that.

And for those who are curious, who want to truly know me, here are my thoughts expressed again in my words... the first words I used again and again in other words... from someone who does truly know me...

Can you love me no matter what I may think, say, or do?

Not until then can you truly know God.

In other words...

God truly loves me no matter what I may think, so, or do.

Do you know God truly does? Can you?

Not until you "love" me... no matter what I think, say or do... can you truly know God and God's love.

Not until you "love" EVERYONE... no matter what they think, say or do... can you truly know God and God's love.

God truly loves all of us... no matter what we think, say, or do... and if you know God you'll love too.

... and whether you know it now or not, and believe it now or not, that's is truly what I meant... from me.

[Ray]

I'm just trying to figure out how Ray's communication skills has anything to do with whether or not LDS could be considered pentecostal???

Bottom-line: No, the church is not.

Heh, where are you getting that idea, Tommy?

From others who say it isn't true?

From others who think it isn't true?

How do you know what they're saying is true?

Do you believe them just because they have said so?

In my testimony to you, I basically told you the Church has experienced what was experienced on the day of Pentecost about 2000 years ago and that what happened on that occasion can be experienced again if God sees fit to make it happen... if God considers it to be necessary or beneficial to give people the power to speak in tongues (or languages) without which they couldn't do it on their own.

And from what is written in our 7th Article of Faith you can also see that we believe in the gift of tongues (languages) and the interpretation of tongues (languages)... we say WE BELIEVE... not we believed.

But if you don't want to believe it, you can believe what you want. I really do not care what you think.

BTW, I read Article 7 as a teaser for our class on COJCLDS that beings next week. They all agreed that sans any doctrinal or theological knowledge of the Mormon Church, they all would have thought the movement solidly Pentecostal, based only on the wording of the article.

It basically comes down to who you will believe. And I still would agree with them.

P.S. I really liked this string...until it imploded.

Yeah, we do get off on a tangent sometimes. But I think it makes our threads more interesting. :)

[Maureen]

In other words...

God truly loves me no matter what I may think, so, or do.

Do you know God truly does?

God loves all mankind, yes, even you Ray, because he is God!

Can you?

No I cannot love all mankind, I don't have that God-like love.

Not until you "love" me... no matter what I think, say or do... can you truly know God and God's love.

Not until you "love" EVERYONE... no matter what they think, say or do... can you truly know God and God's love.

I disagree, I don't have to be God to love God. God has given us the example for all how to love, we can follow his example but not duplicate it, for we can never be God.

God truly loves all of us... no matter what we think, say, or do... and if you know God you'll love too.

I agree but only because God first loved me.

... and whether you know it now or not, and believe it now or not, that's is truly what I meant... from me.

You've explained yourself better now.

M.

[Ray]

You've explained yourself better now.

M.

Heh, I always do that the more I talk... and you've been hearing from me for how many years now???

I hope someday you'll know me well enough to know how much you truly know me and how much I truly know you truly do. :)

[prisonchaplain]

Heh, where are you getting that idea, Tommy? From others who say it isn't true? From others who think it isn't true? How do you know what they're saying is true? Do you believe them just because they have said so?

Sure, Ray. When I have a half dozen LDS members all saying the same thing--tongues = enhanced ability to communicate in another human language, interpretation = enhanced understanding of another human language, then it's reasonable to assume that your church is not Pentecostal, in the sense I was asking.

And from what is written in our 7th Article of Faith you can also see that we believe in the gift of tongues (languages) and the interpretation of tongues (languages)... we say WE BELIEVE... not we believed.

Perhaps you did not understand my intent. I was seeking to find out if the COJCLDS is Pentecostal, in the same sense Pentecostal churches are. The answer is no.

You are now arguing that your church is the one true Pentecostal Church. If you are the restoration of the true gospel, then you could make that argument. Your point does not contradict my conclusion, or the information others have provided. Instead, it raises a different point.

Yeah, we do get off on a tangent sometimes. But I think it makes our threads more interesting. :)

Maybe, because the string became all about you, Ray?