Coffee And The Word Of Wisdom

[LionHeart]

The word of wisdom talks about strong drinks in the same pragraph as wine, ie "wine and strong drinks." It says these are not to be used regularly but are for the cleansing of the body. I can't imagine coffe would fall into this category, however it also says that hot drinks are not for the belly; which category coffee would fall under as well as hot cocoa. Now when the saints moved out west, among their list of "neccessities" in organizing their wagon trains was coffee. For those who don't know, it was Joseph Smith who recieved the word of wisdom. (D&C section 89) The saints moved west after Smith was killed.

So the question I have is this: Does anyone know where the modern standard comes from? For example: Hot cocoa is okay but coffee is bad, cola flavored soda pop is not good but others are okay, etc.

L.H.

[Princess3dward]

The word of wisdom talks about strong drinks in the same pragraph as wine, ie "wine and strong drinks." It says these are not to be used regularly but are for the cleansing of the body. I can't imagine coffe would fall into this category, however it also says that hot drinks are not for the belly; which category coffee would fall under as well as hot cocoa. Now when the saints moved out west, among their list of "neccessities" in organizing their wagon trains was coffee. For those who don't know, it was Joseph Smith who recieved the word of wisdom. (D&C section 189) The saints moved west after Smith was killed.

So the question I have is this: Does anyone know where the modern standard comes from? For example: Hot cocoa is okay but coffee is bad, cola flavored soda pop is not good but others are okay, etc.

L.H.

Hot chocolate doesn't have caffeen. It is theobromine.

And also, it is no "hot drinks like coffee or tea".

[JoshuaFKon]

The word of wisdom talks about strong drinks in the same pragraph as wine, ie "wine and strong drinks." It says these are not to be used regularly but are for the cleansing of the body. I can't imagine coffe would fall into this category, however it also says that hot drinks are not for the belly; which category coffee would fall under as well as hot cocoa. Now when the saints moved out west, among their list of "neccessities" in organizing their wagon trains was coffee. For those who don't know, it was Joseph Smith who recieved the word of wisdom. (D&C section 189) The saints moved west after Smith was killed.

So the question I have is this: Does anyone know where the modern standard comes from? For example: Hot cocoa is okay but coffee is bad, cola flavored soda pop is not good but others are okay, etc.

L.H.

How strictly is the "Word of Wisdom" followed by the chuch?

Why does it forbid wine which is reccomended (in small dosages) in the Bible?

Josh B)

[Princess3dward]

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The word of wisdom talks about strong drinks in the same pragraph as wine, ie "wine and strong drinks." It says these are not to be used regularly but are for the cleansing of the body. I can't imagine coffe would fall into this category, however it also says that hot drinks are not for the belly; which category coffee would fall under as well as hot cocoa. Now when the saints moved out west, among their list of "neccessities" in organizing their wagon trains was coffee. For those who don't know, it was Joseph Smith who recieved the word of wisdom. (D&C section 189) The saints moved west after Smith was killed.

So the question I have is this: Does anyone know where the modern standard comes from? For example: Hot cocoa is okay but coffee is bad, cola flavored soda pop is not good but others are okay, etc.

L.H.

How strictly is the "Word of Wisdom" followed by the chuch?

Why does it forbid wine which is reccomended (in small dosages) in the Bible?

Josh B)

Yes...

[JoshuaFKon]

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How strictly is the "Word of Wisdom" followed by the chuch?

Why does it forbid wine which is reccomended (in small dosages) in the Bible?

Josh B)

Yes...

I think I figured out how you answer my posts....Random Word Generator

Josh B)

[Princess3dward]

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How strictly is the "Word of Wisdom" followed by the chuch?

Why does it forbid wine which is reccomended (in small dosages) in the Bible?

Josh B)

Yes...

I think I figured out how you answer my posts....Random Word Generator

Josh B)

Ummmm... something like that.... but oppisite.

[JoshuaFKon]

Ummmm... something like that.... but oppisite.

What is the oppisite of a word?

Josh B)

[Princess3dward]

Ummmm... something like that.... but oppisite.

What is the oppisite of a word?

Josh B)

Not of a word! Of your idea.

[JoshuaFKon]

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Ummmm... something like that.... but oppisite.

What is the oppisite of a word?

Josh B)

Not of a word! Of your idea.

"Cheese"

(that was a random word)

[Princess3dward]

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Ummmm... something like that.... but oppisite.

What is the oppisite of a word?

Josh B)

Not of a word! Of your idea.

"Cheese"

(that was a random word)

consumer

[JoshuaFKon]

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[Princess3dward]

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anyway (not a random word)

[JoshuaFKon]

I know you won't like this...but I heard JS didn't follow the Word of Wisdom,

Is it a "command" or just "a good idea"?

Josh B)

[Princess3dward]

I know you won't like this...but I heard JS didn't follow the Word of Wisdom,

Is it a "command" or just "a good idea"?

Josh B)

where did you "hear" this?

You don't get a temple recomment if you don't.

If you can;t get a temple recommend, you can't get celestial.

[JoshuaFKon]

where did you "hear" this?

You don't get a temple recomment if you don't.

If you can;t get a temple recommend, you can't get celestial.

I see....

Are you going to yell at me if I quote from The History of the Church?

Josh B)

[Princess3dward]

where did you "hear" this?

You don't get a temple recomment if you don't.

If you can;t get a temple recommend, you can't get celestial.

I see....

Are you going to yell at me if I quote from The History of the Church?

Josh B)

Nope. I just want it sourced so I can read it in context once you are done.

[JoshuaFKon]

Nope. I just want it sourced so I can read it in context once you are done.

FYI: The Word of Wisdom was given through revelation on February 27, 1833.

In all fairness, I didn't read it in context myself (don't have a copy of History of the Church)

"We then partook of some refreshments, and our hearts were made glad with the fruit of the vine." (January 1836, History of the Church, Vol. 2, p. 369)

"Wednesday 3, - Called at the office and drank a glass of wine with Sister Jenetta Richards…" (May 1843, History of the Church, Vol. 5, p. 380)

"The guard immediately sent for a bottle of wine, pipes, and two small papers of tobacco; and one of the guards brought them into the jail…Dr. Richards uncorked the bottle, and presented a glass to Joseph, who tasted, as also Brother Taylor…" (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 616)

Some may argue that the wine was intended for the sacrament, but John Taylor clarified that this was not the case:

"Sometime after dinner we sent for some wine. It has been reported that this was taken as a sacrament. It was no such thing; our spirits were generally dull and heavy, and it was sent to revive us." (History of the Church, vol. 7, p. 101)

Josh B)

[Princess3dward]

Was he the one who said no wine?

Was that not AFTER JS?

Can you please search something to clerify that?

And *shrugs*. They used to allow wine for the sacrament, so it wasn't considered as bad as it is now.

[JoshuaFKon]

Was he the one who said no wine?

Was that not AFTER JS?

Can you please search something to clerify that?

And *shrugs*. They used to allow wine for the sacrament, so it wasn't considered as bad as it is now.

My information says

The Word of Wisdom was given through "revelation" on February 27, 1833.

I could be wrong....

Nope lds.org agrees

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327—329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/89/1-2,4#1

Josh B)

And *shrugs*. They used to allow wine for the sacrament, so it wasn't considered as bad as it is now.

"Sometime after dinner we sent for some wine. It has been reported that this was taken as a sacrament. It was no such thing; our spirits were generally dull and heavy, and it was sent to revive us." (History of the Church, vol. 7, p. 101)

[Princess3dward]

Was JS an alcoholic?

I am going to get a church history book....

[JoshuaFKon]

Was JS an alcoholic?

I don't know...I never meet him....I don't think so...I guess it depends on your definition of "alcoholic"

Josh B)

[Princess3dward]

Was that written by a church member?

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Was JS an alcoholic?

I don't know...I never meet him....I don't think so...I guess it depends on your definition of "alcoholic"

Josh B)

Guess so.

[JoshuaFKon]

Was that written by a church member?

B.H. Roberts I believe.....

Josh B)

[Princess3dward]

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Was that written by a church member?

B.H. Roberts I believe.....

Josh B)

I will figure this out and let you know!

I suppose that means I need to pray and read your posts again after I get more than 4 hours sleep.

[JoshuaFKon]

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Was that written by a church member?

B.H. Roberts I believe.....

Josh B)

I will figure this out and let you know!

I suppose that means I need to pray and read your posts again after I get more than 4 hours sleep.

Ok...I need some sleep myself...goodnight :)

BTW between you and me we had about 50% of the posts on this board.