DevtheWind Posted May 1, 2012 Report Posted May 1, 2012 I'm really iffy on this thread as I don't want to break any lds.net rules, but does anyone think that the Evergreen program is going too far by using that shock therapy with those with homosexual problems?
Vort Posted May 1, 2012 Report Posted May 1, 2012 I'm really iffy on this thread as I don't want to break any lds.net rules, but does anyone think that the Evergreen program is going too far by using that shock therapy with those with homosexual problems?Aversion Therapy - Evergreen International-Helping Latter-Day Saints overcome same-sex attraction (homosexuality)DevtheWind, are you really who you say you are? Because if you really are a 14-year-old boy, I give you a pass. But what you post here sounds exactly like what an antiMormon troll would post to get the PeterVenkmans and HEthePrimates of the board all worked up.
DevtheWind Posted May 1, 2012 Author Report Posted May 1, 2012 Aversion Therapy - Evergreen International-Helping Latter-Day Saints overcome same-sex attraction (homosexuality)DevtheWind, are you really who you say you are? Because if you really are a 14-year-old boy, I give you a pass. But what you post here sounds exactly like what an antiMormon troll would post to get the PeterVenkmans and HEthePrimates of the board all worked up.No no, I am not an anti-Mormon and I so deeply apologize if I sound like that... I just never understood the program. I'll stop posting threads if It makes it seem like I am anti-Mormon. As for me being 14 me and FunkyTown talked about this and I hope I cleared it up (atleast with him). And I do not mean to provoke HEthePrimate or PeterVenkmans to do anything.
Vort Posted May 1, 2012 Report Posted May 1, 2012 No no, I am not an anti-Mormon and I so deeply apologize if I sound like that... I just never understood the program. I'll stop posting threads if It makes it seem like I am anti-Mormon. As for me being 14 me and FunkyTown talked about this and I hope I cleared it up (atleast with him). And I do not mean to provoke HEthePrimate or PeterVenkmans to do anything.Evergreen never suggested or referred anyone to electroshock aversion therapy. That is a baseless (and rather silly) rumor. If you are who you say you are, you don't need to stop posting. I missed yours and FT's thread; are you a fourteen-year-old boy?
annewandering Posted May 1, 2012 Report Posted May 1, 2012 Evergreen never suggested or referred anyone to electroshock aversion therapy. That is a baseless (and rather silly) rumor. If you are who you say you are, you don't need to stop posting. I missed yours and FT's thread; are you a fourteen-year-old boy?Well I am glad it is a nasty rumor. Way better than if it were reality. Sheesh. That is nasty.
DevtheWind Posted May 1, 2012 Author Report Posted May 1, 2012 Evergreen never suggested or referred anyone to electroshock aversion therapy. That is a baseless (and rather silly) rumor. If you are who you say you are, you don't need to stop posting. I missed yours and FT's thread; are you a fourteen-year-old boy?If that last part was a question rather than asking about me and FT's discussion, then yes I am. I don't know what kind of proof I can give you without getting too personal, maybe I can post a pic of me or something on my page. I don't have a facebook, twitter, or MySpace (which works in my favor just great ) nor do I have a phone (again, helpful)... so...
Vort Posted May 1, 2012 Report Posted May 1, 2012 Not looking for proof, Dev. Until I have reason to believe otherwise, I take your word at face value.
rameumptom Posted May 1, 2012 Report Posted May 1, 2012 Dev: I'M A REAL BOY!!!!!!https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTs_E_BoillLpuHcBEzPxWCJygy_np6FBcbSyfiAT3qExDXiYELAg
prisonchaplain Posted May 1, 2012 Report Posted May 1, 2012 While the rumor is unsubstantiated, I was a bit disconcerted by Evergreen's background description of aversion therapy. They insinuated (they never directly stated) that they do not use AV, and then went on to defend it as a reputable practice. BTW, these rumors have made it into at least one motion picture...which, of course, proves absolutely nothing.
Vort Posted May 1, 2012 Report Posted May 1, 2012 While the rumor is unsubstantiated, I was a bit disconcerted by Evergreen's background description of aversion therapy. They insinuated (they never directly stated) that they do not use AV, and then went on to defend it as a reputable practice.They did not "defend it as a reputable practice", PC. They simply noted that it was in the experimental "mainstream" in the 1960s and 1970s, and was used to treat a very wide variety of conditions, not just homosexuality. That it has fallen out of favor suggests that it was perhaps not as effective as hoped. Who knows? Aversion therapy might make a comeback at some point. Or perhaps not. But such observations do not constitute a defense.
HEthePrimate Posted May 1, 2012 Report Posted May 1, 2012 Are they still doing aversion therapy? I thought they discontinued that years ago. If they're still doing it, then yeah, they're going too far. If someone's homosexual, then they're homosexual, so rather than trying to "turn" someone hetero, the focus should instead be on controlling one's behavior so they can live the law of chastity.
HEthePrimate Posted May 1, 2012 Report Posted May 1, 2012 Aversion Therapy - Evergreen International-Helping Latter-Day Saints overcome same-sex attraction (homosexuality)DevtheWind, are you really who you say you are? Because if you really are a 14-year-old boy, I give you a pass. But what you post here sounds exactly like what an antiMormon troll would post to get the PeterVenkmans and HEthePrimates of the board all worked up.Yes, Vort, everybody who disagrees with you is an anti-Mormon troll. Is it too much to ask that you simply address the topic at hand, rather than getting all hostile towards the person asking the question?
prisonchaplain Posted May 1, 2012 Report Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) Background: "Aversive conditioning" is a form of behavior therapy with the goal of changing an automatic behavior or desire. It may be administered through a small shock given through the finger that is painful but not harmful. It may also be administered by snapping oneself with a rubber band or by calling up an unpleasant image. In the late 1960s and early 1970s, aversive conditioning was studied with a variety of behaviors (such as homosexuality, paraphilia, and alcoholism) which clients were seeking to diminish. It was studied at some of the most prominent research facilities in the nation, especially those emphasizing behavior modification and behavior therapy. I read this as defending the practice, and as downplaying the more controversial aspects of AV. If Evergreen wants to belay any doubt, they simply need to state directly that they do not use the therapy. Edited May 1, 2012 by prisonchaplain
TrentonGregory Posted December 13, 2012 Report Posted December 13, 2012 It would be sad to watch people with depression and self hate fall victim to any acts that might lead them to taking there lives :'( I could not imagine any of the taped interviews and books to be of any fact ......what am I to believe in global warming too? I'm sure a loving family would never be to shamed to not have stepped in . One could only hope ....
skippy740 Posted December 13, 2012 Report Posted December 13, 2012 Thread is over 6 months old, and with the volatility of this topic recently... Thread closed
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