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[serapha]

Originally posted by Peace@Mar 21 2004, 04:33 PM

ROFL!  

Snow is our most creative doctrine inventor! DEEP way DEEP thinker that he is...profound even...

Hi there!

You know... I don't laugh at other people. Maybe I should? So I can fit in here?

Let me give you a little history on me and the CoJCoLDS's...

I started studying mormonism about a year ago. I was going to the ward meetings and the relief society meetings as well as reading the discussions and books on mormon history. I was in a discussion group on Gospel Principles. I had to stop going to the CoJCoLDS's because of personal commitments with my family.

Now, the purpose of going to the meetings was to learn about the CoJCoLDS's. My college major now is Bible Studies, and I have been dedicating a year of my time to different religions.

I spend a year studying Roman Catholicism.... I went to Mass almost every Sunday, went through training sessions, religious retreats, and read everything that I was told would help me understand Catholicism better. I think I have a fair understanding of what Roman Catholicism teaches and what is "traditional" understanding, yet not a part of the catechism of the church. I know the right terms and where to find the answers. I said right "upfront" that I wasn't interested in converting to Catholicism, but I wanted to learn as much as I could, and to learn where the answers are. BTW... I have been back to the catholic school system to teach special classes in religion since I spent the year studying with the deacon and priests.

I started on mormonism right after easter last year. My year is almost up, and I can honestly say... I have learned very little from the members of the CoJCoLDS as far as their teachings go. I have learned the "attitude" and I have observed the "hatred"... but no one has been willing to share the restored gospel in 11 months of inquiring aka "investigating"

That speaks volumes to this Baptist.

The time allocated to mormonism is almost over. If you want to share your beliefs, that is fine... if not, that is fine also. When I teach religion, I can only teach it as I have learned it from the official church doctrines and from that members have shared.

My questions are serious, and none of you are serious.

I don't intend to convert to mormonisim, but I will teach it as I have learned it. You throw away opportunities every day to express your religion as something "good".

~just my thoughts~

~serapha~

[serapha]

Originally posted by BYR@Mar 21 2004, 07:03 PM

Probably.  The style is the same.  Attack the LDS often and early.  I can rest assured that they'll see the folly of their ways soon enough.  Hopefully sooner.

They are Calvinists. They are predestined to be "anti"'s!

 

Hi there!

:)

I'm not laughing... I'm a calvinist... Not every calvinist is a drsteve or wrigley.

Your are the same group of people, who back on page five, and on every page since....

chided me for using the term "all" relative to the members of this board... and then you group "ALL" calvinists together.

okay...

~serapha~

[AFDaw]

I started on mormonism right after easter last year. My year is almost up, and I can honestly say... I have learned very little from the members of the CoJCoLDS as far as their teachings go. I have learned the "attitude" and I have observed the "hatred"... but no one has been willing to share the restored gospel in 11 months of inquiring aka "investigating"

That statement contradicts what some of the opposers on this board say. It seems to be the general consensus (sp) that we are too forward in sharing the gospel with others, even those who don't want to hear it. My personal opinion is that your statement isn't true. But I don't know you and I know no reason for you to lie, so I will assume it's true. I have a few questions.

What do you believe is the attitude?

And what hatred are you referring to?

And can you give examples of how you inquired to learn the gospel and how others weren't willing to share?

[White Mountain]

Originally posted by serapha@Mar 21 2004, 09:30 PM

I'm not laughing... I'm a calvinist... Not every calvinist is a drsteve or wrigley.

~serapha~

How are you different?

[Tr2]

enlightenme,

According to the definition that you provided, anyone who is an exclusive member of a religion can be classified as a bigot. In the context of a religious discussion that word should never be used because it is always inaccurate.

[serapha]

How are you different?

well,

I use my sword more... and my tongue less

~serapha~

[White Mountain]

Originally posted by serapha@Mar 21 2004, 09:56 PM

How are you different?

well,

I use my sword more... and my tongue less

~serapha~

Yeah, but that's because you know the Bible better. B)

[serapha]

Originally posted by AFDaw@Mar 21 2004, 09:34 PM

What do you believe is the attitude?

And what hatred are you referring to?

And can you give examples of how you inquired to learn the gospel and how others weren't willing to share?

Hi there!

1. The "attitude" is a smugness... the inference that being a member of the CoJCoLDS is a "step above" mainstream Christianity. At times, there is a condescendence.

2. On the internet, I have yet to meet a member of the CoJCoLDS who didn't express hatred itowards anyone who questions the church. There's always a lot of mud slinging. It is rare to see a discussion. (think venom). In a Gospel Principles class, the teacher said something to the effect (concerning reading religious materials outside the church)... "If you know a cake has arsenic in it, are you going to eat it?" I never forgot that comment..... there's a lot of arsenic being swallowed in various forms in mormonism, aka goddess worship, teaching exaltation to Godship in the GP book when it isn't a doctrine of the church. etc. etc.

3. Sure.... I read the book of Ether one night, and then next day, I posted questions on the internet about what I had read..... no member of the CoJCoLDS's answered the questions... they were just slinging mud. When I asked why no one answered, I was told that I had gotten the questions off an "anti-" site. You see, I find that the members of the CoJCoLDS's don't beleive that those outside the church are capable of intelligent deduction. always "screaming" that information has been taken from an "anti-" site rather than addressing the issue. This is a ~red herring~

~serapha~

[serapha]

Originally posted by serapha@Mar 21 2004, 09:56 PM

How are you different?

well,

I use my sword more... and my tongue less

~serapha~

Yeah, but that's because you know the Bible better.  B)

And I tend to use "fact" rather than "feeling" i.e. archaeology, researched materials

~Bible thumper~

[AFDaw]

Originally posted by serapha@Mar 21 2004, 09:10 PM

1. The "attitude" is a smugness... the inference that being a member of the CoJCoLDS is a "step above" mainstream Christianity. At times, there is a condescendence.

2. On the internet, I have yet to meet a member of the CoJCoLDS who didn't express hatred itowards anyone who questions the church. There's always a lot of mud slinging. It is rare to see a discussion. (think venom). In a Gospel Principles class, the teacher said something to the effect (concerning reading religious materials outside the church)... "If you know a cake has arsenic in it, are you going to eat it?" I never forgot that comment..... there's a lot of arsenic being swallowed in various forms in mormonism, aka goddess worship, teaching exaltation to Godship in the GP book when it isn't a doctrine of the church. etc. etc.

3. Sure.... I read the book of Ether one night, and then next day, I posted questions on the internet about what I had read..... no member of the CoJCoLDS's answered the questions... they were just slinging mud. When I asked why no one answered, I was told that I had gotten the questions off an "anti-" site. You see, I find that the members of the CoJCoLDS's don't beleive that those outside the church are capable of intelligent deduction. always "screaming" that information has been taken from an "anti-" site rather than addressing the issue. This is a ~red herring~

~serapha~

1. Could perhaps you be mistaking "pride" for "arrogance"? Yes, I know pride is one of the 7 deadly sins, but there's a difference between "I'm LDS and I'm happy!" and "I'm LDS and I am better than everyone who isn't."

2. You are questioning the church aren't you? Am I expressing hatred towards you?

3. What site? the CF site? Did you post it on any pro-LDS sites? If you are truly investigating the church, even if it's only for the sake of information, you need to get in touch with the missionaries. That's what they're there for.

[AFDaw]

Originally posted by serapha@Mar 21 2004, 09:12 PM

And I tend to use "fact" rather than "feeling" i.e. archaeology, researched materials

~Bible thumper~

Do you have faith in anything in which there is no "evidence" of?

[serapha]

Mercy,

Contact the missionaries? For a visit?

It's an hour drive by automobile, how long would it take on a bicycle?

~serapha~

[porterrockwell]

Actually, Serapha, when I went onto CF, I shared my beliefs. And guess what. I think you know but I will reiterate. I got slammed, hardcore. People in mainstream christianity have turned to Ed Decker(and his gang of thugs), along with the Tanners instead of us for the "truth" of Mormon Doctrine. That is what really erks me. Noone wants to know what we believe, they want to know why we don't fess up to the lie they think we are living because they read a pamphlet written by a guy who was exed twice(for reason that are very base and distasteful on his behalf).

We don't think of ourselves as a "step above" everyone else. If you read the Articles of Faith you can get the basics of Mormonism. Milk before meat has been scrutinized by people in CF over and over again. With people usually saying, "If I woulda' known the meat upfront I wouldn't a' joined." Sadly these people could accept basic truths, yet stray when something THEY didn't understand set them off...they left and said "It must not be true!" These people are Nomads of religion, the go where their itchy ear can be scratched by the thievery of man's doctrine.

For someone who has read the Bible you don't seem to have any grasp on the true physical and spiritual nature of Christ AND our Heavenly Father. Same in nature seperate in being. Also, as for LDS, we don't believe we can earn our way to heaven, that is a stupid presumption made by those drinkin spiritual hatorade. Saved by grace, judged by works(best way I can put it into common speak). Anyway, have fun with your "peeps" at CF, they are not Christians, and the Mormons on that forum take a great deal of strife. I'm out. Also Serapha I have a few Q's in the Bible I would like your perspective on. Not gonna bash your answers, not gonna try to refute them, just simply want your perspective.

[serapha]

I'm sorry, the image I see of the two young men in white shirts and ties riding those bicyles for 48 miles just to see little ol' me is more than I can comprehend at the moment.

Can they ride after dark? on interstates?

Mercy, that's the first comment that got a smile out of me on this forum.

~serapha~

[serapha]

okay, let me bck up.

someone asked for my comments... and when I posted what I have seen over the past year.

I get blasted.

thanks... I don't answer questions any more if I get blasted for providing what someone wants to hear.

~serapha~

[AFDaw]

Originally posted by serapha@Mar 21 2004, 09:30 PM

Mercy,

Contact the missionaries? For a visit?

It's an hour drive by automobile, how long would it take on a bicycle?

~serapha~

You've been "investigating" the church for 11 mos...this includes visiting an actual ward, correct? And no missionary offered to come visit you?

BTW...if you were investigating all aspects of the church you may have heard of splits. In which a member goes out with the missionaries to do apts. Also you may have found out that most missionaries have access to a car, either the one they are sharing with perhaps another set of missionaries or by calling another member. Not only that, but if you were only interested in learning about the church, why did you not talk to the missionaries while you were at church? Or at the very least talk to them on the phone?

I personally don't think you "investigated" hard enough. But not to fear...we have another month left! So let's go, anything in particular you want to know about the church? I'll be happy to talk to you, as I'm sure many others on here will be too.

[AFDaw]

Originally posted by serapha@Mar 21 2004, 09:38 PM

okay, let me bck up.

someone asked for my comments... and when I posted what I have seen over the past year.

I get blasted.

thanks... I don't answer questions any more if I get blasted for providing what someone wants to hear.

~serapha~

If you are referring to me, how did I blast you?

Because I promise, that was not my intent.

[serapha]

Originally posted by porterrockwell@Mar 21 2004, 10:33 PM

We don't think of ourselves as a "step above" everyone else.  If you read the Articles of Faith you can get the basics of Mormonism. 

Let me see if I remember right from a Relief Society speech...

"I wish that I could share with my co-workers. I feel so sorry for them because we have so much more and they will never experience that"

That's a "step above" attitude.

BTW... my experiences tells me that it doesn't matter what the articles of faith say.. it doesn't matter what the doctrines are... the prophets teach outside the doctrines.

Will you be exalted to godship or not? Where's that in the doctrines of the church?

Another "step above" ... only this time, a step above what doctrines really say.

~serapha~

[AFDaw]

Serapha - Do you feel sorry for us because we don't believe in your Christ?

(I say that because that was something that was said a lot on CF, that we believed in a different Christ. If this isn't your opinion, and you do infact think that our "Christ" and your "Christ" are the same person, then I do apologize.)

[Jenda]

Originally posted by White Mountain+Mar 20 2004, 06:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (White Mountain @ Mar 20 2004, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Winnie G@Mar 20 2004, 11:39 AM

Jenda

When you were told take down your cross you don’t have the right to have a cross on your name icon, if I could have reached through my monitor I would have grabbed little Mr. Christian bigot and throttled him.

Here is the comment of the owner of the CF site (ERWIN) ...

Breetai: I agree with Serapha and drstevej here. Although there are not too many of them, they(the RLDS/CoC) are posing as 'orthodox Christians'. They refuse to use the Mormon icon because they are not part of the main LDS church. They should at least be using the 'other' icon. They are promoting doctrine that is opposed to the Nicene Creed.

Erwin: I agree - it should be Other-church.

http://www.christianforum.com/showthread.p...35&postcount=17

Until Serapha and drstevej badgered the owner, I was having quite a good discussion with the moderator about it. We were actually getting to the root of the problem.

But, I changed my icon. Mostly because I decided I don't agree with the Nicene Creed completely. Of course, they don't either, they are just lying about it so they can call themselves "Christian" and deny that label to others.

[serapha]

Originally posted by AFDaw@Mar 21 2004, 10:39 PM

You've been "investigating" the church for 11 mos...this includes visiting an actual ward, correct?  And no missionary offered to come visit you?

No, not one time.

BTW...if you were investigating all aspects of the church you may have heard of splits.  In which a member goes out with the missionaries to do apts.  Also you may have found out that most missionaries have access to a car, either the one they are sharing with perhaps another set of missionaries or by calling another member.  Not only that, but if you were only interested in learning about the church, why did you not talk to the missionaries while you were at church? 

I have talked to missionaries... at the ward meetings and on the street.

Or at the very least talk to them on the phone?

There isn't an answering machine on the telephone. If you don't "catch" someone at the office, there's no contact. I drove out to the building twice last week.

I personally don't think you "investigated" hard enough.  But not to fear...we have another month left!  So let's go, anything in particular you want to know about the church?  I'll be happy to talk to you, as I'm sure many others on here will be too.

I have a Gospel principle book.... unit one tomorrow or Tuesday?

~serapha~

[Snow]

Originally posted by serapha@Mar 21 2004, 08:22 PM

I started on mormonism right after easter last year.  My year is almost up, and I can honestly say... I have learned very little from the members of the CoJCoLDS as far as their teachings go.  I have learned the "attitude" and I have observed the "hatred"... but no one has been willing to share the restored gospel in 11 months of inquiring aka "investigating"

Bull, Serapha, Bull.

I have been around enough Mormons in enough different places for long enough to know that it just don't work that way. Mormons, as a people, are dying to share their beliefs. I imagine that it has one of the the most significant missionary efforts of any denomination.

Sure, it could be that you just ran across a super duper secret group of Mormon hatorators that refused to share their beliefs. More likely they listened to what you had to say and pegged you for what you are. You're just not that tough to figure out.

You did say that Mormons aren't Christians, right? (yes that's right) To many that is the worst possible insult you could give and you give it freely.

You did say that The Church of Jesus Christ does not believe what the Book of Mormon teaches, didn't you? (yes you did). And you did say that Mormon prophets contradict the Bible and the Book of Mormon didn't you? (uh huh). Many would find that offensive

Were you just making conversation? No, your intent is to denounce and marginalize. People, even Mormons (and especially me) react to that. Then you have the gall to deceitfully claim that the Mormons that react to you are hateful just like you claim that Mormons on the other board that take offense to the bigotry and lies to be trolls.

You know what people respond well to? Honesty, interest and sincerity. Show a little and see how it works for you because the dishonest passive agressive act ain't working.

I thought it was an astounding bit of irony that you are Baptist.

[AFDaw]

Missonaries have homes, and answering machines there too :)

Let me see if I have the Gospel Principles book...Ok. Unit 1 as in Ch 1 "Our Father in Heaven"?

Sure thing...tomorrow. Or we could even start a new thread now.

[Guest bizabra]

Originally posted by serapha@Mar 21 2004, 07:45 PM

I like that I have appropriated an Egyptian goddess as my avatar.  I'd use a mormon goddess, but they don't have any. . . . . not that we know about anyway, LOL

Let me tiptoe across eggshells.....

If you are into goddess worship as a member of the CoJCoLDS's, would you be interested in joining a forum for members of the church who are active in goddess worship? and I am not laughing... but serious. no LOL here.

~serapha~

No Thanks. I'm actually a former mormon with mass family who are still believers. I have no belief in gods or goddesses of any sort. I'm a believer in the great mystery, which cannot be known. My motto is to live life to the fullest, cuz by all appearances, this is all there is. I advocate the golden rule as the prime directive. Works for me.

[Guest bizabra]

Originally posted by porterrockwell@Mar 21 2004, 09:33 PM

Actually, Serapha, when I went onto CF, I shared my beliefs. And guess what. I think you know but I will reiterate. I got slammed, hardcore. People in mainstream christianity have turned to Ed Decker(and his gang of thugs), along with the Tanners instead of us for the "truth" of Mormon Doctrine. That is what really erks me. Noone wants to know what we believe, they want to know why we don't fess up to the lie they think we are living because they read a pamphlet written by a guy who was exed twice(for reason that are very base and distasteful on his behalf).

We don't think of ourselves as a "step above" everyone else. If you read the Articles of Faith you can get the basics of Mormonism. Milk before meat has been scrutinized by people in CF over and over again. With people usually saying, "If I woulda' known the meat upfront I wouldn't a' joined." Sadly these people could accept basic truths, yet stray when something THEY didn't understand set them off...they left and said "It must not be true!" These people are Nomads of religion, the go where their itchy ear can be scratched by the thievery of man's doctrine.

For someone who has read the Bible you don't seem to have any grasp on the true physical and spiritual nature of Christ AND our Heavenly Father. Same in nature seperate in being. Also, as for LDS, we don't believe we can earn our way to heaven, that is a stupid presumption made by those drinkin spiritual hatorade. Saved by grace, judged by works(best way I can put it into common speak). Anyway, have fun with your "peeps" at CF, they are not Christians, and the Mormons on that forum take a great deal of strife. I'm out. Also Serapha I have a few Q's in the Bible I would like your perspective on. Not gonna bash your answers, not gonna try to refute them, just simply want your perspective.

Ye gods! Porter used paragraphing all on his own! I am so proud of you brother, you made my day.

Keep up the good work!