AFDaw Posted March 23, 2004 Report Posted March 23, 2004 I know. I've seen a lot of lurkers. I'm just waiting for them to post. I wonder why they haven't? Quote
Jenda Posted March 23, 2004 Report Posted March 23, 2004 Originally posted by AFDaw@Mar 23 2004, 03:27 PM I know. I've seen a lot of lurkers. I'm just waiting for them to post. I wonder why they haven't? They have been. White Mountain, Serapha, Allye, ?BYR?I will add other names as I see them. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by inactivetx@Mar 23 2004, 03:21 PM Wow, based on this thread I checked out 'christianforums.com' and wow - what a bunch of flamers I read a bunch of stuff on the 'unorthodox' page and is it mormonville or what? I felt scared to jump in - they are pretty vicious over there! Not like the friendly folks here LOL...they really do make one appreciate this place...and our Christian attitudes towards each other... Quote
Guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by Jenda+Mar 23 2004, 04:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jenda @ Mar 23 2004, 04:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--AFDaw@Mar 23 2004, 03:27 PM I know. I've seen a lot of lurkers. I'm just waiting for them to post. I wonder why they haven't? They have been. White Mountain, Serapha, Allye, ?BYR?I will add other names as I see them. What natural man behaviour! Quote
AFDaw Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by anti-heretic+Mar 23 2004, 05:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (anti-heretic @ Mar 23 2004, 05:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Jenda@Mar 23 2004, 04:38 PM <!--QuoteBegin--AFDaw@Mar 23 2004, 03:27 PM I know. I've seen a lot of lurkers. I'm just waiting for them to post. I wonder why they haven't? They have been. White Mountain, Serapha, Allye, ?BYR?I will add other names as I see them. What natural man behaviour! Yeaaaa...ok. Quote
porterrockwell Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Mar 23 2004, 06:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Mar 23 2004, 06:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--inactivetx@Mar 23 2004, 03:21 PM Wow, based on this thread I checked out 'christianforums.com' and wow - what a bunch of flamers I read a bunch of stuff on the 'unorthodox' page and is it mormonville or what? I felt scared to jump in - they are pretty vicious over there! Not like the friendly folks here LOL...they really do make one appreciate this place...and our Christian attitudes towards each other... Yup, yup, yup. That place was just too much, I eventually got out and stayed out because they are as close to Ed Decker and the Tanners as physically possible. I heard the Luciferian concept kicked around. That and they have no regard for Temple issues. Many of the ExMo's talk about Temple ordinances, the name they were givin in the Temple, and mock and ridicule the wearing of garments. Made me sick. Oh well, they can deal with the Big Man when it's there turn. Quote
AFDaw Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by porterrockwell@Mar 23 2004, 08:27 PM Yup, yup, yup. That place was just too much, I eventually got out and stayed out because they are as close to Ed Decker and the Tanners as physically possible. I heard the Luciferian concept kicked around. That and they have no regard for Temple issues. Many of the ExMo's talk about Temple ordinances, the name they were givin in the Temple, and mock and ridicule the wearing of garments. Made me sick. Oh well, they can deal with the Big Man when it's there turn. I KNOW!!! Reading some replies I swear I felt my personal spirit was offended. It made me feel cold and I literally cringed. It's so sad and sick all at the same time. I take my convenants very seriously, and I fear for those who don't. That is the single deciding factor on me staying away. I knew it was a bad bad bad bad place. I haven't been back since. Makes no difference...I was banned afterwards anyway. Quote
Guest Ammon Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 www.christianforums.com does have various posters in the Unorthodox Theological Doctrine section who do not have the Spirit of God with them. There is no question about that. Nevertheless, I've noted that the site has numerous lurkers, many of whom may be investigating the Church or thinking about leaving it. Thus, my purpose there (before my suspension--and when my suspension is complete) is merely to correct the incorrect doctrines and accusations stated and to provide some understanding and insight for those lurkers who read my words. If even one investigator, or on-the-edge member, benefits from my clarifications, my mission there is a success. Thus, I don't expect to "convince" the hard hearts that post; I do expect to let the truth about our beliefs be known for those souls who are searching, and reading. P.S. I am currently doing this very thing in the religion and doctrine section of the message boards at www.christianity.com . . . which actually has a higher membership than www.christianforums.com. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 Awesome Ammon.....btw my son's name is Ammon. :) Quote
Faerie Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 ya know...dh wants to name one of our son's Ammon but I told him no way...not that I don't like the name, but I don't think the kid will have a chance on the school playground with a name like that..hello!! we live in the bible belt!!! lol he also like the name bubba just to tick me off..rofl Quote
AFDaw Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by Ammon@Mar 24 2004, 11:10 AM www.christianforums.com does have various posters in the Unorthodox Theological Doctrine section who do not have the Spirit of God with them. There is no question about that. Nevertheless, I've noted that the site has numerous lurkers, many of whom may be investigating the Church or thinking about leaving it. Thus, my purpose there (before my suspension--and when my suspension is complete) is merely to correct the incorrect doctrines and accusations stated and to provide some understanding and insight for those lurkers who read my words. If even one investigator, or on-the-edge member, benefits from my clarifications, my mission there is a success. Thus, I don't expect to "convince" the hard hearts that post; I do expect to let the truth about our beliefs be known for those souls who are searching, and reading. P.S. I am currently doing this very thing in the religion and doctrine section of the message boards at www.christianity.com . . . which actually has a higher membership than www.christianforums.com. No offense...but I'm a little weary of the boards you recommend. Quote
porterrockwell Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by Ammon@Mar 24 2004, 12:10 PM www.christianforums.com does have various posters in the Unorthodox Theological Doctrine section who do not have the Spirit of God with them. There is no question about that. Nevertheless, I've noted that the site has numerous lurkers, many of whom may be investigating the Church or thinking about leaving it. Thus, my purpose there (before my suspension--and when my suspension is complete) is merely to correct the incorrect doctrines and accusations stated and to provide some understanding and insight for those lurkers who read my words. If even one investigator, or on-the-edge member, benefits from my clarifications, my mission there is a success. Thus, I don't expect to "convince" the hard hearts that post; I do expect to let the truth about our beliefs be known for those souls who are searching, and reading. P.S. I am currently doing this very thing in the religion and doctrine section of the message boards at www.christianity.com . . . which actually has a higher membership than www.christianforums.com. Hey Ammon. This is elderbell and mormonsoldia, how are things on CF, I stopped going there and Serapha coming in here reminded me why. CF doesn't want to clear up issues about Mormonism. Wouldn't you agree. They have this front with them that says come in, share with, teach us about your religion, we are so eager to hear what you have to say. Course, then you fall for it, and once you are in, it's like fighting off a pack of ravenous wolves with a piece of raw meat strapped to your face. I am gonna check christianity.com out sometime, what's the atmosphere over there? Quote
Guest Ammon Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by porterrockwell+Mar 24 2004, 12:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (porterrockwell @ Mar 24 2004, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ammon@Mar 24 2004, 12:10 PM www.christianforums.com does have various posters in the Unorthodox Theological Doctrine section who do not have the Spirit of God with them. There is no question about that. Nevertheless, I've noted that the site has numerous lurkers, many of whom may be investigating the Church or thinking about leaving it. Thus, my purpose there (before my suspension--and when my suspension is complete) is merely to correct the incorrect doctrines and accusations stated and to provide some understanding and insight for those lurkers who read my words. If even one investigator, or on-the-edge member, benefits from my clarifications, my mission there is a success. Thus, I don't expect to "convince" the hard hearts that post; I do expect to let the truth about our beliefs be known for those souls who are searching, and reading. P.S. I am currently doing this very thing in the religion and doctrine section of the message boards at www.christianity.com . . . which actually has a higher membership than www.christianforums.com. Hey Ammon. This is elderbell and mormonsoldia, how are things on CF, I stopped going there and Serapha coming in here reminded me why. CF doesn't want to clear up issues about Mormonism. Wouldn't you agree. They have this front with them that says come in, share with, teach us about your religion, we are so eager to hear what you have to say. Course, then you fall for it, and once you are in, it's like fighting off a pack of ravenous wolves with a piece of raw meat strapped to your face. I am gonna check christianity.com out sometime, what's the atmosphere over there? Good to hear from you elderbell. I wondered where you went. www.christianforums.com has no intention of having an objective discussion, but that is why I stay... so many fence-sitters and investigators read those posts. We need to set the record straight. www.christianity.com is even more restrictive than www.christianforums.com about what we can say regarding the Church. It's been a real challenge to stay unbanned over there (been banned and reinstated once already), but the message must go forth.P.S. I would sure appreciate some help from other LDS members (hint, hint). I know it isn't fun, but I believe it is necessary. And help does not mean trolling. I try to be sincere and level-headed. Quote
srm Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by TheProudDuck@Mar 19 2004, 11:22 AM Winnie -- I'm tempted to visit that board and create a little mental havoc in what sound like a bunch of closed little minds.The atonement begins from his birth to the final hours in the garden and ends at the cross, (mortal life) to his glories resurrection three days later.Very well put. The atonement began long before his birth...it started in the pre-existence. Quote
Snow Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 SRM, I've heard various approaches to that. Do you have a definitive source or explanation? Quote
porterrockwell Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by Ammon+Mar 24 2004, 02:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ammon @ Mar 24 2004, 02:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -porterrockwell@Mar 24 2004, 12:52 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Ammon@Mar 24 2004, 12:10 PM www.christianforums.com does have various posters in the Unorthodox Theological Doctrine section who do not have the Spirit of God with them. There is no question about that. Nevertheless, I've noted that the site has numerous lurkers, many of whom may be investigating the Church or thinking about leaving it. Thus, my purpose there (before my suspension--and when my suspension is complete) is merely to correct the incorrect doctrines and accusations stated and to provide some understanding and insight for those lurkers who read my words. If even one investigator, or on-the-edge member, benefits from my clarifications, my mission there is a success. Thus, I don't expect to "convince" the hard hearts that post; I do expect to let the truth about our beliefs be known for those souls who are searching, and reading. P.S. I am currently doing this very thing in the religion and doctrine section of the message boards at www.christianity.com . . . which actually has a higher membership than www.christianforums.com. Hey Ammon. This is elderbell and mormonsoldia, how are things on CF, I stopped going there and Serapha coming in here reminded me why. CF doesn't want to clear up issues about Mormonism. Wouldn't you agree. They have this front with them that says come in, share with, teach us about your religion, we are so eager to hear what you have to say. Course, then you fall for it, and once you are in, it's like fighting off a pack of ravenous wolves with a piece of raw meat strapped to your face. I am gonna check christianity.com out sometime, what's the atmosphere over there? Good to hear from you elderbell. I wondered where you went. www.christianforums.com has no intention of having an objective discussion, but that is why I stay... so many fence-sitters and investigators read those posts. We need to set the record straight. www.christianity.com is even more restrictive than www.christianforums.com about what we can say regarding the Church. It's been a real challenge to stay unbanned over there (been banned and reinstated once already), but the message must go forth.P.S. I would sure appreciate some help from other LDS members (hint, hint). I know it isn't fun, but I believe it is necessary. And help does not mean trolling. I try to be sincere and level-headed. Wow, I went onto christianity.com. I'm sorry, but that is an EVIL, spiteful place. Once I got done reading the perspective they have on Mormonism, and what their "version" of Christianity is, it felt like someone took a dump truck and plopped a load of mud on me. Once question I have for all mainstreamers though: What was the purpose of the Nicene Creed and the "redefinition" of the Gospel through phylisophical council(made up of mainly Greek Phils.), in which was heavily directed and influenced by a blood-thirsty, post-pagen, and Imperialistic Constantine? So that is who God called to "build up" Christianity huh. It clearly states also that along with Baptism, comfirmation by the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost was needed. Again a million holes in Constantine Christianity, but oh well. Quote
Jenda Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by porterrockwell@Mar 24 2004, 03:38 PM Once question I have for all mainstreamers though: What was the purpose of the Nicene Creed and the "redefinition" of the Gospel through phylisophical council(made up of mainly Greek Phils.), in which was heavily directed and influenced by a blood-thirsty, post-pagen, and Imperialistic Constantine? So that is who God called to "build up" Christianity huh. It clearly states also that along with Baptism, comfirmation by the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost was needed. Again a million holes in Constantine Christianity, but oh well. This is exactly why the RLDS believes that the apostacy began about 570 AD. The church changed when Constantine assumed control of it, and it went downhill from there. Quote
Snow Posted March 25, 2004 Report Posted March 25, 2004 Originally posted by Jenda@Mar 24 2004, 04:16 PM This is exactly why the RLDS believes that the apostacy began about 570 AD. The church changed when Constantine assumed control of it, and it went downhill from there. Are you sure that is the RLDS line Jenda?570 is a long ways removed from the early Christian Church of the 1st century and the early 2nd century and is also a couple hundred years after Constantine. Quote
White Mountain Posted March 25, 2004 Report Posted March 25, 2004 Originally posted by Jenda@Mar 24 2004, 05:16 PM This is exactly why the RLDS believes that the apostacy began about 570 AD. The church changed when Constantine assumed control of it, and it went downhill from there. 570 AD, eh. Constantine's dates are (306 - 337 AD) so are you talking about a fall that took 250 years? Quote
Jenda Posted March 25, 2004 Report Posted March 25, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Mar 24 2004, 05:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Mar 24 2004, 05:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Jenda@Mar 24 2004, 04:16 PM This is exactly why the RLDS believes that the apostacy began about 570 AD. The church changed when Constantine assumed control of it, and it went downhill from there. Are you sure that is the RLDS line Jenda?570 is a long ways removed from the early Christian Church of the 1st century and the early 2nd century and is also a couple hundred years after Constantine.Yes, this is the RLDS line.Well, let me restate that. That was the RLDS line until the RLDS decided that we are no longer a "restored" church, and that God did not restore anything because He didn't have to.But, as I am a RLDS restorationist, we continue to hold to that belief.I realize that that is a couple of hundred years after Constantine, but the time of Constantine is when we feel that the true decline of the church started. We believe that the apostacy was complete when God removed his blessing from the church, and that happened about 570 AD.That fits into the timeline, also, of the 1260 years the church was in the wilderness (Revelations 12: 5 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore years.) Quote
White Mountain Posted March 25, 2004 Report Posted March 25, 2004 Originally posted by Ammon@Mar 24 2004, 02:02 PM P.S. I would sure appreciate some help from other LDS members (hint, hint). I know it isn't fun, but I believe it is necessary. And help does not mean trolling. I try to be sincere and level-headed. Need more troops, eh? Great, come on over and we'll compare LDS views and documents with Scripture and you can tell us we are mean to do so. ***sigh***Be sure to say hi to drstevej (that's me) and don't forget the special icon.... Quote
AFDaw Posted March 25, 2004 Report Posted March 25, 2004 I knew it :) Hi steve...I never got to thank you for allowing me to voice my opinion without being the one to actual post something. Quote
White Mountain Posted March 25, 2004 Report Posted March 25, 2004 Originally posted by AFDaw@Mar 23 2004, 04:27 PM I know. I've seen a lot of lurkers. I'm just waiting for them to post. I wonder why they haven't? Some of us have... B) White Mountain (aka drstevej on CF) Quote
White Mountain Posted March 25, 2004 Report Posted March 25, 2004 Originally posted by AFDaw@Mar 24 2004, 07:49 PM I never got to thank you for allowing me to voice my opinion without being the one to actual post something. HUH? Your comment is unclear... Quote
AFDaw Posted March 25, 2004 Report Posted March 25, 2004 Originally posted by White Mountain+Mar 24 2004, 06:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (White Mountain @ Mar 24 2004, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--AFDaw@Mar 23 2004, 04:27 PM I know. I've seen a lot of lurkers. I'm just waiting for them to post. I wonder why they haven't? Some of us have... B) White Mountain (aka drstevej on CF) That comment wasn't directed at you. Quote
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