Greenhouse Gases

[john doe]

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Next thing you know the government will be telling me what kind of toilet paper I can use.

Ben Raines

... or how many squares!

Sheryl Crow's on the case! She says on her blog that we only need one square most of the time, 2 or 3 for the really bad problems! Even America's resident nutjob Rosie laughed at that one. She asked if Sheryl knew how big her (epletive deleted) is. As if the rest of the world doesn't know?

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Al Gore owns part of the carbon offset company or whatever.

I can't remember where I heard this.....almost positive I heard someone say the carbon offset stuff is a fraud......

I read an article the other day, I believe it was in Financial Times, says the whole thing is a scam. I'll see if I can track it down.

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I love the new bulbs! I never have to turn them off because they use hardly any energy! Pay about the same now without having to flip the switch!

That was a joke!

[drjme]

Thats funny,

While ppl are so proud of how power is being saved by outlawing inefficient lightbulbs, disregarding the toxic substance in the new ones, the attempts to push the idea of human caused global warming continues to become a political vehicle to drive over the people.

please watch 'the great global warming swindle'. (available on google video). it presents the opposite view of what is only shown on the TV. then think about it again.

Interesting stuff. the scientists don't say that there is no global warming they just present the view that the earth in it's own time goes through cycles. did you know in the 50's it was a great ice age scare, that large areas of the world were going to freeze over? what ever happened to that?

taxation on carbon emmissions will be next, for driving your car and many other things, while the big businesses that do all the polluting won't really be affected.

[sgallan]

did you know in the 50's it was a great ice age scare, that large areas of the world were going to freeze over? what ever happened to that?

Maybe.... just maybe... as time goes by we get better at the science of this sort of thing. I mean, for example, do you know what a computer looked like in the 50's? A roomful of computer had a fraction of the comuting ability as my kids I-Pod. Perhaps we have gotten a little better at reading the climate as well? What with more computing power to crunch the data that more monitoring stations, satellites, and so forth have given us. Not to mention there are more first world nations now, than in the 50's, who are willing to share this kind of information.

Just a though.

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In my serious opinion, Im sure we are harming mother earth. Yet we have problems such as power needs. I met a guy on my mission that developed a fuel evaporator for his car to get him from one side of Australia to the other to get ot the Temple. His big GM/Holden V-8 wagon got 12 miles to the gallon or so, ended up getting 50 with his invention, just to get him to the temple!

I sometimes wonder how blocked our inspiration is with all the laws, patents and big business in the way. Seems like if we let inspiration happen, we would have most of the problems solved.

[JcDean78]

Of course we are having an effect but so are all the other living creatures and nature itself such as storms, volcanos,oceans, earth quakes, etc.

As for Global warming, it is true that the earth is in a period of warming but the earth is always changing as part of its normal cycles. The notion that humans are the cause of it is total rubbish. We know the earth goes through these cycles and we also know the sun is going through major sunspot activity right now which most "climatoligist" agree is the real cause.

When listening to the loony left go on and on about global warming, comparing people who deny humans are the cause to people who deny the holocost, the threats to all the real scientists who do not support their theorys, threats to revoke licenses or be fired, and a million other forms of harrasment to silence decent while at the same time saying everyone agrees and the debate is over. It reminds me of people who used to get upset when it did not rain and looked to find out why the 'gods' where upset with them and how to apease them. THIS IS THE SAME THING!!! Instead of sacrificing a virgin or doing a rain dance, these people want to destroy our economy, our rights humans, and our civilization to pay homage to 'gia' and make things groovy in their eyes.

Do not be fooled and do not let these global warming nuts start sacrificing!

[sgallan]

Hmm, I am guessing science stuff is pretty much just a political thing with you then? Don't bother me with the science when my favorite talk show people send me out with some talking points?

I take a different view. There is global warming. Any of our friends in the arctic can confirm this in a number of ways..... now don't jump to conclusions here.... I haven't suggested in causation. But I don't look at this measurable reality as a doomsday senario. Just different. But, if we don't react to the change in climate, than the effects will be profound.

On the otherhand.... if the results are so profound that a goodly portion of humanity dies off... well that is just the way the system works. We wouldn't be the first speices threatened or exterminated. Just the first speices aware of ot.

[Palerider]

What about the Scientists that say there is no Global Warming???? No need to mention them I suppose ......or even the ones that mention that its not as bad as we make it out to be.

[JcDean78]

Thats the point, most the the so called scientists, that endores man made Global Warming are NOT climatologist or even in a related field. The actual climatologist are saying there is no such thing as man made global warming! Sure, the others are scientist, but this is NOT their field

It would be like me having bad back problems and going to see my dentist about it. Sure he is a doctor and might know something about it, but I would rather go see something who specializes in it.

Knowing the issue of not having many scientist in the field of climatology, the Global warming liars decided to just start adding names of well respected people in that field to the list without their consent, most of which complete reject their findings!!!

If you believe in GW then that is great, but don't come to me asking for a sacrifice to appease your 'god'.

[Winnie G]

Its funny I remember when we had color TP it gave women yest infections and there was trubble braking down the TP in septic filds.

Thats why it was ban not some conspiracy.

You block up a septic fild or two or give enough women Y infections and it will get band

Whether or not you believe in Global warming the new light bulbs save BIG Money and last forever.

I asked a friend who swears by them and she told me the one in her basement hallway was eight years old.

EIGHT YEARS OLD! Holy COW!

She said they saw a big drop on there bill the first month.

So what ever the reason it makes sense ether way.

Save the earth or save your wallet YOU CHOOSE

[JcDean78]

I would love to save on my bill, but I am not willing to risk the Mercury issues that come with them. I will pay a little more for the safty of my family.

[drjme]

Sgallan will you even watch the documentary??

The scientists on this documentary were members of the IPCC but left! the IPCC continues to use their names even though the scientists want their names taken off the list of IPCC supporting scientists!

Al Gore? a credible scientists he is thats for sure. why are they using politicians to promote a issue that has not proven. Why when he lives in his luxurious home that consumes 20 times the average household energy consumption. John Travolta, advocate for man-made global warming with his five Private jets spewing out CO2 parked under garages attached to his house? celebrities not scientists are pushing manmade global warming.

eg. CO2 increases, follow the rise in temperature not the other way around which blows apart the view that CO2 causes temperature gain. the biggest contributors to CO2 emissions? volcanoes! and the sea! humans contribution is absolutely minimal compared to these two.

watch the doco! study alternative theories besides what your told on TV!

and yes they do have better science today which is why these scientists have taken all records available through time and studied them. coming up with the conclusion that yes global warming is here, but no, man is not the cause.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4499562022478442170

[sgallan]

My general view on the naysayers on this board is; because it was originally a liberal cause, and because Al Gore did a documentary on it..... it is such a political thing for you folks that you wouldn't buy it even if you were on fire.

As far as global warming in general..... it is already happening in the arctic. In a big big way. Especially the northern arctic.

The vast majority of scientists, and scientific community... including the climatologists, say it's real. I am aware of the notable exceptions... like Dr. Gray. But I think I will go with the concensus on this one.

FWIW.... I am not a doom and gloomer. Global warming will just be different... but not the end of humanity.

One more thing on global warming.... you can always find scientista who are naysayers. You can always find the exception to the rule. You can always say.... "but it's snowing in Atlanta in mid-April" therefore global warming doesn't exists - which is kind of dumb but people do it all the time. Heck it's the internet..... I can google a hundrend links to support anything from the lock ness monster to the moon landings being a hoax. That is why, since I am not a scientist, I look at a more macro view, look at the macro data that comes out, look at the very large concensus of scientists... including climatologists.... and well dang, there sure is an awful lot out there suggesting global warming. And if something from the 70's or earlier is brought up.... well it is a new century now.... we have a heck of a lot more technology now.

[JcDean78]

As far as global warming in general..... it is already happening in the arctic. In a big big way. Especially the northern arctic.

The vast majority of scientists, and scientific community... including the climatologists, say it's real. I am aware of the notable exceptions... like Dr. Gray. But I think I will go with the concensus on this one.

Not true at all. Total rubbish.

[sgallan]

Wow.... your erudite comeback was just so VERY convincing. You got your degree in climatology from where? Let me guess, you probably listen to a lot of talk radio?

American Meteorological Society

The American Meteorological Society (AMS) statement adopted by their council in 2003 said:

There is now clear evidence that the mean annual temperature at the Earth's surface, averaged over the entire globe, has been increasing in the past 200 years. There is also clear evidence that the abundance of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has increased over the same period. In the past decade, significant progress has been made toward a better understanding of the climate system and toward improved projections of long-term climate change... Human activities have become a major source of environmental change. Of great urgency are the climate consequences of the increasing atmospheric abundance of greenhouse gases... Because greenhouse gases continue to increase, we are, in effect, conducting a global climate experiment, neither planned nor controlled, the results of which may present unprecedented challenges to our wisdom and foresight as well as have significant impacts on our natural and societal systems. [16]

[sgallan]

I think I'll bow out. Other than a handful of scientists, and some gadfly types on the right, the debate about global warming being real and measurable is pretty much over. It is now a matter of "what needs to be done". You are basically just background noise stuck in another era while the debate has moved past you.

Feel free to come up with a snippy one-liner.

[Blessed]

I take a different view. There is global warming. Any of our friends in the arctic can confirm this in a number of ways..... now don't jump to conclusions here....

Sgallan,

I moved to Alaska first back in 1995 and we lived here for three years. During that time I saw two glaciers uplcose, one on which I walked. Exit glacier and Matanuska glacier. We came back to Alaska in 2004. I first saw Matanuska glacier last summer. I was flabergasted at how much it had receded. It receded more than ONE MILE. I could not get over how much it melted. When I got the chance to talk to scientists that were studying global warming and the affects it is having in Alaska they told me that the glaciers have melted more in the last 5 years than in the previous 30 years combined... but people say there is no global warming.

As some of you may remember I was adopted by a yup'ik eskimo village that is on the western coast on the Bering Sea. When I spoke to the elders who are in their 80's they say they can no longer hunt the way they use to because they caribou herds have shifted their routes because of lack of water. These are the same routes that had been hunted on by many a generation, but no longer an option. And people say there is no global warming.

I can tell you that living in Alaska has taught me that global warming does exist. If you want proof come and visit me now and then again in 10 years and see the difference.

Sgallan, don't be discouraged because of the naysayers. You and I know and we are the ones who are doing something about it. We are to be our brother's keepers even when they don't believe.

[Palerider]

My general view on the naysayers on this board is; because it was originally a liberal cause, and because Al Gore did a documentary on it..... it is such a political thing for you folks that you wouldn't buy it even if you were on fire.

As far as global warming in general..... it is already happening in the arctic. In a big big way. Especially the northern arctic.

The vast majority of scientists, and scientific community... including the climatologists, say it's real. I am aware of the notable exceptions... like Dr. Gray. But I think I will go with the concensus on this one.

FWIW.... I am not a doom and gloomer. Global warming will just be different... but not the end of humanity.

One more thing on global warming.... you can always find scientista who are naysayers. You can always find the exception to the rule. You can always say.... "but it's snowing in Atlanta in mid-April" therefore global warming doesn't exists - which is kind of dumb but people do it all the time. Heck it's the internet..... I can google a hundrend links to support anything from the lock ness monster to the moon landings being a hoax. That is why, since I am not a scientist, I look at a more macro view, look at the macro data that comes out, look at the very large concensus of scientists... including climatologists.... and well dang, there sure is an awful lot out there suggesting global warming. And if something from the 70's or earlier is brought up.... well it is a new century now.... we have a heck of a lot more technology now.

Is it called Global warming when it snows in Missouri in May?????????

[Winnie G]

I would love to save on my bill, but I am not willing to risk the Mercury issues that come with them. I will pay a little more for the safty of my family.

I guess I can see that if were you lived did not recycle, they take everything here.

Even old light bulbs and those juice boxes, milk cartons glass you name it.

A large garbage bag of recyclables nets us $12 and the $$ made goes to help rehab hospitals and schools for the disabled.

Florescent lights are required to be recycled for a long time here, I take it they don’t do it were you live?

[john doe]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I don't doubt that Global Warming is happening. That is shown by measurements taken over a period of time. What hasn't been proven to my satisfaction, and is a matter of debate among experts, is just how much of the warming is part of a natural cycle of the earth and how much is caused by man, and specifically, industrialization around the world.

I'm not convinced that man has as much effect on the mean temperature of the earth being 0.6 degrees celcius warmer than it was 100 years ago as Al Gore says we have. People who are the most vocal about warming seem to ignore the fact that scientists have done extensive studies showing that the earth has gone through many periods of heating and cooling. They won't address that fact when it is viewed in this context. From what I have read, greenhouse gases in far greater amounts than cars emit, are emitted naturally by various sources, the main culprits being volcanoes and cows. The door is just opening now for the debates, and the Global Warming activists really wish we would just listen to them and not get all the facts about the issue before spending billions of dollars on their pet projects. Al Gore has a big stake in companies that trade in environmental credits, an enterprise that many people are now scrutinizing trying to decide which efforts are fake and which are real. As far as I'm concerned, Al Gore is just lobbying for his personal economic future, and hypocrisy is a concern I have with him.

The thing is, these people want us to drop everything and do what they say without question, when they just haven't provided enough evidence to convince me that what they claim is true. While I certainly don't believe in wasting the earth's resources, and think we should do what we can to conserve, I don't think we are headed toward a doomsday situation in 20-30 years as many of the more vociferous Global Warming cultists claim.

[Winnie G]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...0429?hub=Canada

I think we will be seeing the next chapter in this debate in Canada but I believe from past governments This quote is true “we're going farther than any government in Canada. We're going much farther than Al Gore went”

What did he do while in office?

I'm glade Al Gore is bring this in to the world form but could he not have done it while in the larges office in the word? Would the world not have taken the information and act on it if he had done it while in office.

While first ladys are saying it take a village to raise a child why did he not say HELP WERE MELTING?

I want someone to make a difference and for Pete sake earn their large over stuffed paychecks.

[drjme]

Funny thing,

I do agree there is global warming, I don't believe man has as much to contribute to it as is has been made out to be. I was once duped into not questioning popular beliefs merely because people spouting untruths were famous. How can anyone form an opinion on a subject if they aren't willing to seriously study both sides of the story?

Evolution is now condsidered truth. merely because groups of scientists take a previous scientists 'theories'

as fact. same as global warming. except this lucrative taxation opportunity has been hijacked by politicians and the like. In my little ol' country down under. taxation on carbon emissions is set to hit every person an extra $400.00 per year within the next 5 years. why? when my country contributes a miniscule amount of CO2 compared to the US and China. sad really. how much would you like to donate to the reseaching the cause of man made climate change? how about $400.00 per year to help solve a pollution problem caused by the superpowers industrial machine? or will your efficient lightbulbs suffice.

[Outshined]

What about the Scientists that say there is no Global Warming???? No need to mention them I suppose ......or even the ones that mention that its not as bad as we make it out to be.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p37.htm

And winnie, Al Gore never made this an issue while in office for the same reason he uses 20 times the average amount of electricity in his home and flies in private jets while warning everyone else to conserve. He had all the power and attention he needed then, so he didn't need another cause.

He's a politician, and has that politician "do as I say, not as I do" mentality.

[shanstress70]

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I would love to save on my bill, but I am not willing to risk the Mercury issues that come with them. I will pay a little more for the safty of my family.

I guess I can see that if were you lived did not recycle, they take everything here.

Even old light bulbs and those juice boxes, milk cartons glass you name it.

A large garbage bag of recyclables nets us $12 and the $$ made goes to help rehab hospitals and schools for the disabled.

Florescent lights are required to be recycled for a long time here, I take it they don’t do it were you live?

That's great about recycling the bulbs, Winnie. But what if you accidentally drop one in your house and it breaks? Are you prepared to pay $2000 to get it cleaned up, like the lady did in the article I posted? Granted, we've switched over all but a few in my house. But now I'm second guessing my decision. Mercury poisoning is not pretty.

As far as GW goes, I know it's happening by looking at the numbers. However, I tend to believe by my studies that it is all part of the 18,000 year cycles of cooling and warming. OTOH, no one knows for sure and I could be wrong, just like all the climatologists who say it's not man-made could be wrong. That's why I try to do my part just in case. It has the potential for devastation.

On the flip side, what if the people who say GW is man-made are wrong? We have less to lose if we do all we can and it all turns out to be unnecessary.

[sixpacktr]

It is a pity how much the media have convinced people there is a problem with GW. Supposedly smart people spout off crud and convince themselves by repeating over and over that the earth is warming up and we have to be the cause of it.

Go to junkscience.com. Read Micheal Crighton's State of Fear. Do a little homework and you will see that it is all a crock. It is the last refuge for the communists and those that want to rule people's lives.

Were you both aware that there was a period of warming in the 1200s-1300s, during which time they were growing vegetables and other plants in Greenland? And that it was warmer than than it is today? And that the all knowing IPCC has this information but somehow forgot to include in in their latest report where they stated that man is bad (well, USA man is bad, all others are good, because USA man is a self centered jerk that only wants to kill everyone else) and nature/mother earth/the seals are good?

Were you aware that we are coming out of a 6000 year period of global warming that has been documented in the ice in Antarctica (which again is not reported in the drive by media)? That temperatures since the 1850s, the supposed start of man's inhumanity to the righteous mother earth, have actually been dropping or the same? That the ice in Antarctica is actually getting thicker, except in one specific place?

There is a reason that most of us are skeptical. THERE IS A POLITICAL AGENDA BEHIND THE GW MOVEMENT, AND IT IS TO DESTROY THE US!

Get your heads out of the sand. Wake up and smell the postum!