Snow Posted March 30, 2004 Report Posted March 30, 2004 Who are the anti-Mormons, what are they saying and where do they come from?These are the folks who think they have a calling to harm and hinder the Mormon faith. Let’s learn about them:What they say:-”Satanic nature of the Christ-denying cult of Mormonism.” (Utah Evangel)-Mormonism is “a fountain of slime.” (William Irvine)-”one of the most effective counterfeits of biblical Christianity ever devised.” (Smith)-”vicious imitation, devious, dishonest, dupes” (Utah Evagel)-”not hesitated to employ deception in their effort to mimic...Christianity” (Martin)-”Welcome to America’s newest pagan temple” (sign at the Dallas temple open house)-They are deceivers (Breese)-”attempting to infiltrate Christianity in order to destroy it.” (Martin)-”To trust Mormonism is to reject Christ.” (The Evangel)-”An amusing piece of fantasy.” (Martin)-”their manifestly feeble powers of logical thought.” (Martin)-Latter-day Saints hold their ludicrous beliefs because they don’t understand English grammar. (Fraser)-”a people never possessed... a modicum of sense.” (Fraser)-”its author is Satan” (Decker)Who are they and where do they come fromWho are they that call Mormons conscious Luciferians?We have at least 2 very active posters on this board who are ardent anti-Mormons. Where does their movement come from?Ed Decker (the serial adulator excommunicated from the LDS Church ) and Walter Martin (so desperate for credibility that he lied about his Dr. and minister credentials) are among the best known Mormon haters. There are and have been dozens and dozens more seeking to take the front by lying publicly and loudly about Mormons, their beliefs, and their practices.Invariably they come from the Fundamentalist movement. The same fundamentalist movement with self-proclaimed leaders like Jerry Fawell and Pat Robertson who claimed that God was the perpetrator of the 911 terrorist attack because he was upset with gays and feminists in America. Interestingly, the real culprits were discovered, not to be God, but rather fundamentalist of a different persuasion.Granted, these types are not the best and brightest America has to offer. They (that branch of fundamentalists) are those that call upon Christians to shun the “demonic” institution of Halloween. They are ones like the man who was convicted in 1992 in Indianapolis Municipal Court for smashing a monument on the state house lawn because he said the monument amounted ot the state endorsing a pagan religion. The monument had inscribed on it the 10 commandments, missing the 2nd one and so he considered it heretical. They are like the 12 parents who in 1986 brought a lawsuit against the public schools because the tale of Goldilocks and the 3 Little Pigs had a dance around the burning wolf and so promoted witchcraft. They also sued because during storytelling a seventh grader told his classmates to us their imagination, “the powerful magical eye inside your head.” This, they said was an occult practice.Such fundamentalists represent the mentality of the superstitious anti-Mormons.Mormons should not feel alone. These same or other fundamentalists say the same things about Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christian Scientists, and Catholics:-the Church of Rome is “based on fetishism and sorcery,” “part pagan” and to be wholly rejected.(Swaggart) Granted these fundamentalist are not too bright but neither are many of the masses who listen to them, repeat what they say and believe it and then on their own, take up the sword and themselves try to harm the Church.Fortunately for human enlightenment, educated and honest and decent people detest these bigots and haters and shun or ignore them or condemn them. Quote
AFDaw Posted March 30, 2004 Report Posted March 30, 2004 More to confirm that what I believe is the truth. Thanks Snow :) Quote
Snow Posted March 30, 2004 Author Report Posted March 30, 2004 I am still trying to get a handle on what mental forces cause an anti-Mormon to be an anti-Mormon. I’m talking about religious anti-Mormon who theoretically base their opposition on religious grounds. We have speculated on this before but all the pieces are not falling into place for me. What do they all have in common? They typically aren’t Catholic or Jewish, or Christian Science, or Episcopal or Eastern Orthodox. Sure there are exception but almost exclusively they are evangelical, specifically born-again and the more fundamental, the more deceitful and bigoted they become. So, what is it about evangelical, born-again, fundamental types that cause some of them, but not all of them, to twist and morph into the ugly deceivers that are the anti-Mormons? --Mormons believe that we are children of God – the same species of God, noble, with divine potential. To use the words of John Calvin, they (the evangelical, born-again, anti’s) believe that man is a “five foot worm,” base and degenerate; worthy of hell. --They believe that man himself, beyond believing on Christ, plays no part in his own salvation. How could he, man is evil. Mormons on the other hand believe that in order to be esteemed, one should do esteem-able acts; we must actually obey God, hearken unto his voice, follow him and the commandments; that faith without works is dead. Perhaps those two things are the key. You know how a sibling that is headed down a wasted road, an abject failure, looks at another sibling that is bright and beautiful, successful and moral and then the failed sibling looks at his or her sorry state and lets it eat at him until it consumes him. He begins to hate that which he cannot be and sees the sibling as his bane. Maybe it is the same thing with the anti-Mormons. What could better serve the twisted justice in the lost sibling’s head than if the his failure could be erased, not by any effort on his own, not by doing esteem-able acts, but simply by believing something? How great would that be. Why it would be enough to make the failure hope – give em something to dream for. Hey, what could be better than that? What if he could harm the successful sibling and try and convince the sibling and others that there were going to be punished (go to hell) for trying to do esteem-able acts. That would really be something, punish that rat. And so, the bad sibling sets up message boards and websites and got other loser friends to write some books, made a movie here and there; the whole point of which, was to exalt yourself, and debase the others for daring to believe differently than you do… Probably that’s part of it. Quote
Snow Posted March 30, 2004 Author Report Posted March 30, 2004 Originally posted by Peace@Mar 30 2004, 03:25 PM I have a SP on another board who chases me down constantly telling everyone that I am an apostate.... Peace,You an apostate? Never, Heretic yes, apostate no. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 30, 2004 Report Posted March 30, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Mar 30 2004, 03:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Mar 30 2004, 03:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Mar 30 2004, 03:25 PM I have a SP on another board who chases me down constantly telling everyone that I am an apostate.... Peace,You an apostate? Never, Heretic yes, apostate no. LOL...okay...tell me how I am a heretic....I wanna get this right you know...I am trying....very trying...LOL Quote
AFDaw Posted March 30, 2004 Report Posted March 30, 2004 That's odd. Why would he do that? Is it because of your liberal stance on politics (jk) Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 30, 2004 Report Posted March 30, 2004 Originally posted by AFDaw@Mar 30 2004, 04:07 PM That's odd. Why would he do that? Is it because of your liberal stance on politics (jk) It is because I once shared a very bad experience I had with President Hinckley....we used to go to dinner with the 12 apostles and the prophet while my mother was alive (my dad used to be the head auditor of Beneficial life) so every year after my dad died, my mother would take either myself or my husband)Each time they would give us 45 minutes to hob knob with the GAs...and Prophet...then we would sit to dinner and they would be up on the stage kind of thing and the regular folks would be down on the floor...separate.The last time we went, my mother was in a resthome with a broken hip and couldn't go...so my husband and I went together...that's when we had the bad experience... Quote
Tr2 Posted March 30, 2004 Report Posted March 30, 2004 snow, you need to get over your bitter hatred of the Christian church. What does it serve you to be so full of anger and resentfulness? Quote
Snow Posted March 31, 2004 Author Report Posted March 31, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Mar 30 2004, 04:58 PM snow, you need to get over your bitter hatred of the Christian church. What does it serve you to be so full of anger and resentfulness? Trident my dear son,I urge you, with all the persuasiveness I can muster, to take whatever funds you have set aside for a rainy day and to buy a clue. A clue, yes, a clue. I belong to the Christian church. It is the anti-Mormons that I think stink.Now here is a test, yes a test for you my beamish boy. What do I believe? Quote
broadway Posted March 31, 2004 Report Posted March 31, 2004 It is the anti-Mormons that I think stink.Most that can be catagorized as anti-mormon do it out of sincere concern for those who they think are going to hell unless someone helps point them in the right direction. It is the anti-mormon I have had most success with when I want to talk about my church. It is they who will listen whole-heartedly (most, not all)broadway Quote
AFDaw Posted March 31, 2004 Report Posted March 31, 2004 Originally posted by broadway@Mar 30 2004, 05:28 PM It is the anti-Mormons that I think stink.Most that can be catagorized as anti-mormon do it out of sincere concern for those who they think are going to hell unless someone helps point them in the right direction. It is the anti-mormon I have had most success with when I want to talk about my church. It is they who will listen whole-heartedly (most, not all)broadway I disagree. I've had friends who have genuinely been concerned about me and have talked to me about my faith. And I've had people who flat out tell me I'm going to hell for "portraying" a Christian. These people didn't try to "Save" me, these people didn't try to teach me about Christ, these people did nothing but point a finger at me and tell me that I was wrong and I would suffer eternal damnation because of it. Quote
broadway Posted March 31, 2004 Report Posted March 31, 2004 Then I will count my blessings. All the anti's I have come in contact with have been very kind to me. I take that back...all the anti's with the exception of those in my own family have been very kind to me. Quote
Helen Mar Kimball Posted March 31, 2004 Report Posted March 31, 2004 And then there's Scott Pollard. He hasn't done much this season. Quote
Helen Mar Kimball Posted March 31, 2004 Report Posted March 31, 2004 Where's the love for the Tanners. "As far as LDS history goes, there's no one out there who has the documents mastered as they do," said Peterson, chairman of the Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies at BYU. "They occasionally have forced us (LDS Church defenders) to sharpen a line of reasoning or come up with a line of reasoning." Quote
Jason Posted March 31, 2004 Report Posted March 31, 2004 Im not an anti-mormon. But Im probably an anti-mormonISM. Is that the same thing? Quote
Snow Posted March 31, 2004 Author Report Posted March 31, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Mar 30 2004, 07:05 PM I belong to the Christian churchNo, you belong to the mormon church. The Christian church is what you hate so much. Alert, Alert.That is another lie. Don't lie anymore luv. K? Quote
Snow Posted March 31, 2004 Author Report Posted March 31, 2004 Originally posted by ExMormon-Jason@Mar 30 2004, 09:59 PM Im not an anti-mormon. But Im probably an anti-mormonISM. Is that the same thing? No, different deal.You're okay Jason. Quote
Snow Posted March 31, 2004 Author Report Posted March 31, 2004 Get ready for the invasion of the skuzwaggets this weekend. Quote
Lindy Posted April 1, 2004 Report Posted April 1, 2004 I listen to what the anti-mo's and the ex-mo's have to say....some things I may even agree with...but what I have found has been an inner peace when I searched my heart and my soul for the truth that I needed to know FOR ME. So all in all, I will agree that they help to confirm my faith and the truths that I have found. I am just very sorry that some very good people were led off to the path away from the iron rod. But we have to remember that we all have a choice to where we want to be in our faith. No one should be blamed for veering off the path, as long as they keep their faith and love focused where it needs to be. It's just too bad that there are those who think that protesting and creating havoc about the way others feel about or worship God and Jesus Christ will make the place a better place to live. Sad, sad world. Quote
Cal Posted April 1, 2004 Report Posted April 1, 2004 Originally posted by lindy9556@Mar 31 2004, 07:17 PM I listen to what the anti-mo's and the ex-mo's have to say....some things I may even agree with...but what I have found has been an inner peace when I searched my heart and my soul for the truth that I needed to know FOR ME. So all in all, I will agree that they help to confirm my faith and the truths that I have found. I am just very sorry that some very good people were led off to the path away from the iron rod. But we have to remember that we all have a choice to where we want to be in our faith. No one should be blamed for veering off the path, as long as they keep their faith and love focused where it needs to be.It's just too bad that there are those who think that protesting and creating havoc about the way others feel about or worship God and Jesus Christ will make the place a better place to live. Sad, sad world. So, Lindy, you are against proselytizing? You don't think others should try to convince you of the truth they believe in? Is that what makes it such a SAD world? That others don't believe in the same thing you do? That makes it sad? So we should all feel sad that everyone doesn't believe what you do? Is it really that distressing to you to know that not everyone agrees with your little sense of reality? Is it really so unreasonable that some people find the JS story LESS credible than the simple stories of Jesus in the Bible.? Is that really so SAD? Do you think they are really all that UNHAPPY? Have you ever asked them? Maybe they are just as happy and satified with life as you are? Quote
Tr2 Posted April 1, 2004 Report Posted April 1, 2004 Alert, Alert.That is another lie. Don't lie anymore luv. K?When your actions match up with your words, then you can call me a liar. Anybody who has read your posts regarding the Christian church knows you have a deep resentfulness and hatred towards it. It is so obvious that you cannot deny it. What you say is irrelevant because your actions speak for themselves. Quote
Snow Posted April 1, 2004 Author Report Posted April 1, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Mar 31 2004, 10:39 PM Anybody who has read your posts regarding the Christian church knows you have a deep resentfulness and hatred towards it. ALERT, ALERT!LIE DETECTION....I am a member of the Christian Church and even like and attend non-LDS Christian churches. It's the anti's I think suck. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted April 1, 2004 Report Posted April 1, 2004 Originally posted by lindy9556@Mar 31 2004, 07:17 PM I listen to what the anti-mo's and the ex-mo's have to say....some things I may even agree with...but what I have found has been an inner peace when I searched my heart and my soul for the truth that I needed to know FOR ME. So all in all, I will agree that they help to confirm my faith and the truths that I have found. I am just very sorry that some very good people were led off to the path away from the iron rod. But we have to remember that we all have a choice to where we want to be in our faith. No one should be blamed for veering off the path, as long as they keep their faith and love focused where it needs to be.It's just too bad that there are those who think that protesting and creating havoc about the way others feel about or worship God and Jesus Christ will make the place a better place to live. Sad, sad world. Cool post Lindy. :) Quote
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