Guest MormonGator Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 And where's the fun in that?Lehi True. After that, the internet wouldn't exist if we all agreed. Quote
Vort Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 I was tempted to take an earlier message and change "the Democrat party is evil" to read "the Democrat party Republican party is evil". True enough. I have no love for the Republican Party. All too often, they play to their Democrat-chanted stereotype of money-grubbing, minority-distrusting, narrow-minded bigots. Witness a leading Republican Presidential candidate with lots of money and a bad toupee. But for all the myriad faults of the Republican Party and many of its members, they cannot hold a candle in pure, unadulterated perversion to the Democratic Party. If the Republican Party is "evil" -- a characterization I might not disagree with -- then the Democratic Party is so far beyond merely "evil" that I'm not sure even what word to give it. Said Republican Presidential candidate would be an embarrassment to the US, but frankly would be an improvement on our current CIC and a vastly better option than either of the two primary candidates the Democrats are offering. LeSellers, David13 and JojoBag 3 Quote
LeSellers Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 True enough. I have no love for the Republican Party. All too often, they play to their Democrat-chanted stereotype of money-grubbing, minority-distrusting, narrow-minded bigots. Witness a leading Republican Presidential candidate with lots of money and a bad toupee.I think the GOP leadership and many or most of the politicians with that label are weak, at best, and many are not significantly different from the Democrats. If one is evil, the other is, too. In a way, they are worse than the Democrats. At least the Democrat party is largely up front with the perversions and devious goals for the once-great country. But for all the myriad faults of the Republican Party and many of its members, they cannot hold a candle in pure, unadulterated perversion to the Democratic Party. If the Republican Party is "evil" -- a characterization I might not disagree with -- then the Democratic Party is so far beyond merely "evil" that I'm not sure even what word to give it.Overall, I agree (note the above), and it is true that the Democrat party is one branch of the modern Gadianton robbers But the other branch … Lehi JojoBag 1 Quote
Bini Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 I'm a Lefty and I'm passionate in what we stand for; equality for LGBT, ethnic groups, and women - also - I like our environmental viewpoint. I'm very happy and feel good inside with my affiliations. Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) I'm a Lefty and I'm passionate in what we stand for; equality for LGBT, ethnic groups, and women - also - I like our environmental viewpoint. I'm very happy and feel good inside with my affiliations."I became a conservative by being around liberals. And I became a libertarian by being around conservatives"-Greg Gutfeld, political commentator. Same with my journey, really. I have way more respect for liberals (I admire anyone who can express themselves and has the guts to back it up) than they ever will for me. I find that sad and very telling. Edited January 17, 2016 by MormonGator Quote
LeSellers Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 I'm very happy and feel good inside with my affiliations.This is why progressives are so infuriating to most of us not in that camp: It's all about "feel[ing] good inside", and little (or even nothing) to do with the facts, historical outcomes and cost/benefit analyses. Socialism has never worked. It does not matter who is in charge — it fails because it ignores basic human nature. Socialism also relies on the lethal power of the state because, once in a "socialist paradise" ("utopia" is a Greek word meaning "no where"), the peopel try to escape, and socialist must force them to stay on the plantation. Freedom is always preferable to slavery. That's why I am not a "Lefty". Lehi bytor2112, yjacket, David13 and 3 others 6 Quote
LeSellers Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 I have way more respect for liberals (I admire anyone who can express themselves and has the guts to back it up) than they ever will for me. I find that sad and very telling.The sad part is that we know that progressives are ill-informed and naïve, while they believe us to be evil. Lehi yjacket, David13 and JojoBag 3 Quote
Bini Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 This is why progressives are so infuriating to most of us not in that camp:It's all about "feel[ing] good inside", and little (or even nothing) to do with the facts, historical outcomes and cost/benefit analyses.Socialism has never worked. It does not matter who is in charge — it fails because it ignores basic human nature.Socialism also relies on the lethal power of the state because, once in a "socialist paradise" ("utopia" is a Greek word meaning "no where"), the peopel try to escape, and socialist must force them to stay on the plantation.Freedom is always preferable to slavery. That's why I am not a "Lefty".Lehi Sorry you don't fancy my choice of wording. I do feel it to represent the more moral side of things and there is plenty of "history" (past events and their facts) to support the sprouting of Liberal beliefs and goals. I'm perfectly content with where I stand, whether others stand with me, or I stand alone. That's all I have to say. Quote
Bini Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 I must have been naive to think I could chime in with my personal beliefs without being dinged. I'm pretty sure I haven't called any Conservatives out on what they believe. Hmm. Quote
Guest Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Don't count one extremist in with the rest of us, any more than I count you in with extremists, Bini. Quote
Guest LiterateParakeet Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 I must have been naive to think I could chime in with my personal beliefs without being dinged. I'm pretty sure I haven't called any Conservatives out on what they believe. Hmm.I feel ya. First rule of LDS.net, if you post something remotely different from the majority opinion - BRACE yourself! :) Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Don't count one extremist in with the rest of us, any more than I count you in with extremists, Bini.Exactly. I said I have great respect for you, still do. Edited January 17, 2016 by MormonGator Quote
LeSellers Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Sorry you don't fancy my choice of wording. I do feel it to represent the more moral side of things and there is plenty of "history" (past events and their facts) to support the sprouting of Liberal beliefs and goals.My reading of history leads to different conclusions. I have debated this with dozens of people who take your position. None has ever shown where those historical events are, and no one has answered "where will the money come from?" No one can show how giving special rights to one group is preferable to giving them to another group. I'm perfectly content with where I stand, whether others stand with me, or I stand alone.Which is your right, of course. The problem comes when you insist on giving away other people's liberty along with your own. Lehi David13 1 Quote
LeSellers Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) I must have been naive to think I could chime in with my personal beliefs without being dinged.But I have posted my beliefs, and have gotten "dinged" many times. You may not have done it, but it's happened. Further, my message was more about why Progressives and the attitudes they hold confuse us me than about the beliefs themselves. As I said: I have never had reasonable, fact-based responses to questions about what Progressives typically believe. I have been assailed with phony charges of racism, bigotry, X-phobic, and frequent aspersions on both my sanity and my intelligence. Lehi Edited January 17, 2016 by LeSellers yjacket and David13 2 Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 But I have posted my beliefs, and have gotten "dinged" many times. No one is here to "ding" you. In fact, many people agree with you. If you express an opinion online, you have no right whatsoever to complain about being "dinged" or called out. Neither does Bini, myself or anyone. Quote
LeSellers Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 No one is here to "ding" you. In fact, many people agree with you. If you express an opinion online, you have no right whatsoever to complain about being "dinged" or called out. Neither does Bini, myself or anyone.Have I complained about being dinged? If so, I'm sorry. Lehi Quote
bytor2112 Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) The progressive idea of big, all powerful, cradle to the grave government is anti to freedom and to continue to feed that monster is folly. They should beware because the demon they rouse will one day turn and rend them. Edited January 17, 2016 by bytor2112 Vort, LeSellers, David13 and 1 other 4 Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Have I complained about being dinged? If so, I'm sorry.LehiOh don't apologize to me-I offered all the moderators full expense paid trips to Gator Country and they still haven't put me in charge of it all yet! Ingrates! (Just adding humor mods! Nothing but love!) Edited January 17, 2016 by MormonGator Quote
Guest LiterateParakeet Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 But I have posted my beliefs, and have gotten "dinged" many times.LehiSure we all have. The thing 8s some people enjoy the debate and discussion, others don't. You are clearly in the first category. But Gator is right, anytime we share something on the Internet (not just here) we have to remember that someone might disagree and maybe do so forcefully.It's been a tough lesson for me to learn.:) Quote
Guest Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Oh don't apologize to me-I offered all the moderators full expense paid trips to Gator Country and they still haven't put me in charge of it all yet! Ingrates! (Just adding humor mods! Nothing but love!) Wait, what do you want? An all-expense paid trip to where? I almost don't even care. I need a vacation. Quote
David13 Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Don't count one extremist in with the rest of us, any more than I count you in with extremists, Bini. You may choose to pigeon-hole it as extremism, if that's the way you want to see things, but it's just truth.dc JojoBag and LeSellers 2 Quote
Capitalist_Oinker Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 I have a great deal of respect for Elder Anderson, and I wholeheartedly agree with his postulation that we will be held accountable for how we vote. How can it be otherwise??If we cast a vote for an individual who openly supports elective abortion why should God not hold us accountable for the subsequent slaughter of little children?If we cast a vote for an individual who openly advocates "redistribution of wealth", why should God not hold us accountable for the subsequent thievery on a massive scale?If we cast a vote for an individual who openly advocates homosexual marriage, why should God not hold us accountable for the subsequent breakdown of the family unit and all of the societal ills associated with that breakdown? The problem with the vast majority of "liberal" Mormons, is that they can never seem to understand or accept the fact that "legal" and "moral" are not synonymous! God isn't the least bit cowed because we make immoral principles legal, and I don't believe he will absolve us for supporting or fostering (via our votes) immoral principles simply because we have declared them legal.I once wasted several hours in debate with a leftist member of my ward regarding the principle of "redistribution of wealth", which he strongly supports. I asked him how he could possibly advocate stealing when God has explicitly forbidden it. He answered that it's not stealing because it's legal.I then asked him if a married Latter-day Saint could have sex with a prostitute in a licensed brothel in Nevada without it being considered adultery? He saw where I was going and immediately did what all "liberal" Mormons do when they find themselves stuck between a rock of their ideology and a hard place of our theology. He said he didn't want to talk about it anymore. Backroads, David13, LeSellers and 2 others 5 Quote
David13 Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 ... He saw where I was going and immediately did what all "liberal" Mormons do when they find themselves stuck between a rock of their ideology and a hard place of our theology. He said he didn't want to talk about it anymore. Well, C.O. if he had been a "good" "liberal" he would have called you an extremist first, then said he didn't want to talk about it anymore.dc JojoBag 1 Quote
JojoBag Posted January 17, 2016 Author Report Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) I feel ya. First rule of LDS.net, if you post something remotely different from the majority opinion - BRACE yourself! :) AMEN! You're like a three leg cat at a K-9 convention. Edited January 17, 2016 by JojoBag Quote
Guest Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Well, C.O. if he had been a "good" "liberal" he would have called you an extremist first, then said he didn't want to talk about it anymore.dc Wait, are you alluding to me being liberal? Because Did I hurt your feelings sometime or something? I'm feeling like you single out my posts. Quote
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