Guest Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) Faramir just said this (the title) in a conversation and it was funny, but then I thought it's also a good topic of conversation, and a good reminder of what to look for when we are being tempted to follow someone other than the Lord's anointed. Who was Nehor? Here's a good, short video: https://www.lds.org/media-library/video/2012-08-1975-nehor-taught-that-a-teacher-ought-to-become-popular?lang=eng Here is the word straight from the source: Quote Quote Alma 1 3 And he had gone about among the people, preaching to them that which he termed to be the word of God, bearing down against the church; declaring unto the people that every priest and teacher ought to become popular; and they ought not to labor with their hands, but that they ought to be supported by the people. So there are few ways that you too, if you wanted, could become a Nehor. Let's put them in bullet points: Claim that you have the word of God Claim that the Church does not Seek popularity Seek to take resources from those you "preach" to, and Do little or nothing of value Any other pointers for someone seeking to become a Nehor, or someone wanting to recognize one? Edited June 15, 2016 by Eowyn Quote
zil Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Whatever you do, don't point out to your followers how there's not really any point in them giving you money to preach that everyone will be saved no matter what they do, because then they might realize they don't even need to pay you money to be saved, and then you'll just be some crackpot with a cardboard sign... LeSellers and NeedleinA 2 Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 41 minutes ago, zil said: and then you'll just be some crackpot with a cardboard sign... Be honest Zil. That's how you spend your weekends! Quote
tesuji Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 42 minutes ago, zil said: Whatever you do, don't point out to your followers how there's not really any point in them giving you money to preach that everyone will be saved no matter what they do, because then they might realize they don't even need to pay you money to be saved, and then you'll just be some crackpot with a cardboard sign... Interesting point. It makes me wonder if there was more to the story than the BoM mentions. Why were they giving him money exactly? LeSellers and Sunday21 2 Quote
zil Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, MormonGator said: Be honest Zil. That's how you spend your weekends! Yeah, but I do it for fun, not because people don't wanna give me money... Wait, that doesn't sound good at all.... I'm just going to go slink off to a RS activity now... Sunday21 1 Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 1 minute ago, zil said: Yeah, but I do it for fun, not because people don't wanna give me money... Wait, that doesn't sound good at all.... I'm just going to go slink off to a RS activity now... Yeah you opened that door yourself dearest. Moving on. Quote
tesuji Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, tesuji said: Why were they giving him money exactly? “Priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion” (2 Nephi 26:29). I guess I don't understand how it works. Getting praise for "smooth doctrines" I can understand. Buy how do you make money doing it? Edited June 15, 2016 by tesuji Sunday21 1 Quote
Anddenex Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) Eowyn, I am disappointed, you missed the most important one: So there are few ways that you too, if you wanted, could become a Nehor. Let's put them in bullet points: Claim that you have the word of God Claim that the Church does not Seek popularity Seek to take resources from those you "preach" to, and Do little or nothing of value Kill any individual who bests you in your knowledge, and then still hold your head high specifying you did nothing wrong. Edited June 15, 2016 by Anddenex Sunday21 and zil 2 Quote
NeedleinA Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 5 minutes ago, tesuji said: Buy how do you make money doing it? Create an off shoot church and request your own tithing and offerings. Sunday21 1 Quote
Guest Posted June 16, 2016 Report Posted June 16, 2016 1 hour ago, NeedleinA said: Create an off shoot church and request your own tithing and offerings. Yeah, I was about to say,"Why does this sound so familiar?" Quote
LeSellers Posted June 16, 2016 Report Posted June 16, 2016 2 hours ago, tesuji said: It makes me wonder if there was more to the story than the BoM mentions. Why were they giving him money exactly? Look at the mega-churches and televangelists: they just ask for it, and people send it in. Lehi Sunday21 1 Quote
Sunday21 Posted June 16, 2016 Report Posted June 16, 2016 7 minutes ago, LeSellers said: Look at the mega-churches and televangelists: they just ask for it, and people send it in. Lehi 7 minutes ago, LeSellers said: Look at the mega-churches and televangelists: they just ask for it, and people send it in. Lehi Didn't Swaggert tell people that if the audience did not send a certain sum of money that he would be 'called home', that is die? Quote
LeSellers Posted June 16, 2016 Report Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sunday21 said: Didn't Swaggert tell people that if the audience did not send a certain sum of money that he would be 'called home', that is die? Not Swaggert — Oral Roberts. Lehi Edited June 16, 2016 by LeSellers Sunday21 1 Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted June 16, 2016 Report Posted June 16, 2016 In fairness while you hear about the televangelists caught with hookers at hotels, you don't hear about them feeding children, educating people and teaching the gospel, which they do. I'll never understand all the insulting each other that goes on between Christian factions. Didn't get it as a Catholic (And I stood up for Mormons all the time). Don't get it now. Quote
LeSellers Posted June 16, 2016 Report Posted June 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, MormonGator said: In fairness while you hear about the televangelists caught with hookers at hotels, you don't hear about them feeding children, educating people and teaching the gospel, which they do. Perhaps, no one's disagreeing with you. In fact, no one brought it up until you did. Lehi Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted June 16, 2016 Report Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, LeSellers said: Perhaps, no one's disagreeing with you. In fact, no one brought it up until you did. Lehi 33 minutes ago, LeSellers said: Look at the mega-churches and televangelists: they just ask for it, and people send it in. Lehi We both know where this could easily go. Talking about the gullibility of their followers and members. Televangelists have an underserved bad reputation. Just like LDS, Evangelicals, Catholics and every other religion that you don't belong to does. (obviously I don't mean you as in Lehi) Edited June 16, 2016 by MormonGator Quote
Blackmarch Posted June 16, 2016 Report Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, tesuji said: “Priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion” (2 Nephi 26:29). I guess I don't understand how it works. Getting praise for "smooth doctrines" I can understand. Buy how do you make money doing it? You need money take political wheels turn. People like being told that whatever indulgence they care for is right. Edited June 16, 2016 by Blackmarch Quote
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