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[anatess2]

20 hours ago, LiterateParakeet said:

I didnt say that it did. I used his words as an example of using fear. 

Can we discuss different opinions with being condescending?

I apologize if it sounded condescending.  I was going for frustrated.  Trump, of course, did not call all illegal immigrants rapists.  He was referring to the illegal immigrant who raped that woman in Ohio and that immigrant who killed that girl in San Francisco - both of whom have been caught and released because the Feds did not pick them up - so they committed crimes again and then the issue with heroin proliferation causing havoc in American cities.  There are many of those cases all getting nothing more than passing mention in the mainstream news cycles.  It is Fake News that Trump is stoking fear any more than Bush stoked fear when he convinced Congress to establish the TSA.  It is not stoking fear to identify a problem.  Yes, I know Obama minimizes problems to make them sound not too scary to the population - like ISIS being a JV team.  That, to me, is more dangerous than directly identifying a problem.

19 hours ago, Suzie said:

Did I miss the post where LiterateParakeet state it such?

 

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During the campaign, Trump carefully stoked this fear by calling illegal immigrants rapists, and thieves etc. Causing some to feel we need stricter borders for our safety. 

Trump did not cause some to feel we need stricter borders for our safety.  That debate has gone on for a long time with 80% of the population - liberals and conservatives alike - agreeing that we need to enforce immigration laws.  Ted Kennedy himself co-authored an Immigration Reform bill with John McCain.  As a matter of fact, Trump shot up to the top of the primary ticket within 3 weeks of announcing his candidacy mainly because he brought Immigration back to the front of the debates.

 

19 hours ago, Suzie said:

Seems like a few judges disagree.

 

Incorrect.  The judge ruling simply states that it is worth going to court for.  The ruling is a STAY on the Executive Order so it can be investigated further in court.  The ruling is NOT that the EO is unconstitutional.  It is a delay tactic to give the Democrats time to organize themselves.

 

Edited February 23, 2017 by anatess2

[Guest LiterateParakeet]

1 hour ago, anatess2 said:

Trump did not cause some to feel we need stricter borders for our safety. 

I agree, and it was not my intention to imply that he did.  Simply that he recognized those fears and used them--quite effectively. 

[anatess2]

9 minutes ago, LiterateParakeet said:

I agree, and it was not my intention to imply that he did.  Simply that he recognized those fears and used them--quite effectively. 

If you believe that Trump won the elections because of the fear of the people then you are incorrect.  Like I said - before Trump came into the picture, 80% of the American people desired enforcement of immigration laws.  The same thing Trump stated he's going to do in his rallies.

The only difference between Democrats and Republicans on the issue is what to do about those who are already here.  Both agree criminals have to be deported.  Both disagree on what to do with those who have not committed any crimes beyond illegal entry.  Democrats range between citizenship or legalization without citizenship.  Republicans range between legalization without citizenship to deportation.

Regardless of their stances on what to do with those who are already here, 80% of them want what you would call "stricter" borders even going so far as already having allocated the funds for building a barrier (it used to be called barrier, now it's called wall) appropriated with a bipartisan Congressional vote.

Post election, the same statistics is apparent.  80% of the population are against sanctuary cities.

Edited February 23, 2017 by anatess2

[Guest LiterateParakeet]

2 hours ago, anatess2 said:

If you believe that Trump won the elections because of the fear of the people then you are incorrect. 

I disagree. I don't think anyone can say for certain why Trump won. People voted for him for different reasons. 

In my opinion, he played on their fears,

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/08/31/politics/donald-trump-mexico-statements/index.html?client=ms-android-verizon

but of course that isnt the only reason. Some people in coal country thought he would bring back coal mining. Some just didn't want to vote for Hillary (I don't blame them.)

[Just_A_Guy]

25 minutes ago, LiterateParakeet said:

I disagree. I don't think anyone can say for certain why Trump won. People voted for him for different reasons. 

In my opinion, he played on their fears,

Of course he did.  The whole tenor of his campaign--and the approach his acolytes here at Mormonhub took--can be boiled down to the words Stop Hillary (or else terrible things will happen).

Now, that's not a unique campaign approach.  In fact, it's quite an ordinary one.  I voted against Trump because I believe he will cause terrible things to happen to the conservative movement and, by extension, to the country.  And of course, Hillary's own platform was nothing so much as Stop Trump (or else terrible things will happen).  She did such a thorough job of it that millions of Americans sincerely think Trump is going to re-enslave the blacks, wire up the gays for shock conversion therapy, shoot Hispanics on sight, gas Muslims, expel women from the workforce, and do something really horrible (no one quite knows what, exactly) to Jews.

Trump just dropped the pretense of civility that made this sort of demagoguery palatable.  I'm not saying that's a *good* thing; I'm just saying there's no point in trying to sanctify the pre-Trumpian status quo.  Trump has lifted the lid off a pot that has been simmering since the 1960s. 

Edited February 23, 2017 by Just_A_Guy

[Guest LiterateParakeet]

Good point, @Just_A_Guy