Garments and Fashion

[Fether]

On 4/29/2017 at 5:56 AM, MarElise said:

Hi everyone, i'm new here and am hoping you can help me with a question! I am a mid-20's woman who has been endowed for just over three years now. I try my hardest to only wear clothes that are modest and respect the garment, even if they are hard to find at times. I also care quite a bit about looking nice in my clothes and being fashionable. I have lived in dry dry Utah for my entire life, and just recently moved the very humid southern US in the past few months. As the spring goes on and starts to become summer, it's getting much more hot and humid, and so I wanted to find some new things that would work well in the summer without any layering besides garments+ bra. 

One of the shirts I picked up is made of very lightweight fabric, and I was worried it might be a bit see through without a cap sleeve, which would defeat the point of me owning it right now, as I don't want to layer. It's dark blue, and in the mirror I could faintly see that there is a white t-shirt thing (my garments) underneath. I asked my husband for his opinion, and went outside in bright sunshine and did the "bend forwards like tying my shoe" to stretch the back of the shirt to see if he could see through it, and also asked if he could tell that my bra was on top of the garments through the shirt (a style that I try to rock, but still feel would look really weird if people could see it, because lets be real, who wears their bra on top of the undershirt outside of the the LDS church right?) My husband reported that he could see through the shirt and also that all the lines of the garment+ bra combo helped emphasize it. We tried several combos (with the bra, without the bra) and he reported that without the bra he could still see exactly where the garments were but that it just sort of looked like a strangely shaped undershirt. After getting all sad that I might have to return the shirt, I made the discovery that this was the case with pretty much EVERY shirt that I own, just me nor him had ever paid much attention. Even standard, thickish t-shirts from target- you can tell that there is another shirt underneath, and when bending over the lines of the bra give away that the bra is on top. The new shirt isn't even the worst offender, I had other shirts I've worn for years that are the same amount or even a little more. Let me clarify that you can't see the symbols at all, just the outlines of where the garment is. 

I have always maintained that I do not think it looks good when people with garments wear sheer or lacey clothes and you can see the garments through them. Any clothes in this category I would just layer a capsleeve shirt and then the regular shirt. But now I'm realizing that this is literally every shirt, and that even with a white bra (to blend with the garments) you can still see it if you look for it. I'm now wondering how I never noticed this before. My question is, does being able to even faintly see garments underneath your clothes look tacky? How do other ladies take care of the "too many lines gives away the bra" problem? Do you think these things just look like undershirts to the untrained eye? Even to the trained eye, is that a fashion faux pas? I don't know if there is even such as thing as a completely non-see through shirt when you are wearing white underneath, but now this is really bugging me and making me wonder if people are doing double takes wondering what is going on under there. How do people who live in hot climates dress themselves to stay cool and not run into this happening? Trying to figure out if people don't pay attention like I didn't till now, or if it's just a fact that happens when wearing garments and you hope other people don't look too close. 

3 thoughts:

Just want to point out that most white shirts men wear to church are pretty see through and the "celestial smile" is quite apparent. 

Also, I served my mission in the south and the south and the church never seemed to worry about us missionaries biking around 10 hours a day in the middle of summer's humid heat. No new dress standard was made for us suffering in the heat

I'm a guy and our garment sleeves go down a little further. I found that One of my all time favorite shirts was like a half Inch too small at the sleeve and would sometimes stuff my garment sleeve up behind my shirt sleeve. I decided against that and ended up throwing my favorite shirt away . But I felt it was the right thing to do. Surprisingly, I'm just as happy now as I was then  "Sacrifice brings forthe blessings of heaven"

Edited May 7, 2017 by Fether

[Just_A_Guy]

On 5/1/2017 at 2:30 PM, Carborendum said:

I heard a guy from the reorganized Church once try to tell me that during Joseph and Brigham's time they used to bathe by removing only parts at a time.  After washing, they'd replace with a clean one.  Then they'd proceed to move across their bodies that way.

I've never bothered to look that up.  I don't even know where I'd start looking.

It would be physically impossible.  The first two-piece garments weren't approved until the 1920s, IIRC.  Before that they were all "union suits", like traditional underclothing of the time.

[Just_A_Guy]

17 hours ago, Fether said:

3 thoughts:

Just want to point out that most white shirts men wear to church are pretty see through and the "celestial smile" is quite apparent. 

That's why I get the crew necks.  

Interestingly--most guys I know who wear crew-necked garments have no problem wearing a button-down or polo shirt with the top button open, leaving part of the garment visible (but indistinguishable from a standard T-shirt).

Edited May 7, 2017 by Just_A_Guy

[Fether]

29 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

That's why I get the crew necks.  

Interestingly--most guys I know who wear crew-necked garments have no problem wearing a button-down or polo shirt with the top button open, leaving part of the garment visible (but indistinguishable from a standard T-shirt).

I use the celestial smile so I can wear v-necks and not look tacky

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

It would be physically impossible.  The first two-piece garments weren't approved until the 1920s, IIRC.  Before that they were all "union suits", like traditional underclothing of the time.

I was thinking that a while after I posted that.  Then I lost track of the thread and couldn't comment.  Thanks.  Yes.  I don't think that would be possible either.

[seashmore]

On 4/29/2017 at 7:56 AM, MarElise said:

Hi everyone, i'm new here and am hoping you can help me with a question! I am a mid-20's woman who has been endowed for just over three years now. I try my hardest to only wear clothes that are modest and respect the garment, even if they are hard to find at times. I also care quite a bit about looking nice in my clothes and being fashionable. I have lived in dry dry Utah for my entire life, and just recently moved the very humid southern US in the past few months. As the spring goes on and starts to become summer, it's getting much more hot and humid, and so I wanted to find some new things that would work well in the summer without any layering besides garments+ bra. 

One of the shirts I picked up is made of very lightweight fabric, and I was worried it might be a bit see through without a cap sleeve, which would defeat the point of me owning it right now, as I don't want to layer. It's dark blue, and in the mirror I could faintly see that there is a white t-shirt thing (my garments) underneath. I asked my husband for his opinion, and went outside in bright sunshine and did the "bend forwards like tying my shoe" to stretch the back of the shirt to see if he could see through it, and also asked if he could tell that my bra was on top of the garments through the shirt (a style that I try to rock, but still feel would look really weird if people could see it, because lets be real, who wears their bra on top of the undershirt outside of the the LDS church right?) My husband reported that he could see through the shirt and also that all the lines of the garment+ bra combo helped emphasize it. We tried several combos (with the bra, without the bra) and he reported that without the bra he could still see exactly where the garments were but that it just sort of looked like a strangely shaped undershirt. After getting all sad that I might have to return the shirt, I made the discovery that this was the case with pretty much EVERY shirt that I own, just me nor him had ever paid much attention. Even standard, thickish t-shirts from target- you can tell that there is another shirt underneath, and when bending over the lines of the bra give away that the bra is on top. The new shirt isn't even the worst offender, I had other shirts I've worn for years that are the same amount or even a little more. Let me clarify that you can't see the symbols at all, just the outlines of where the garment is. 

I have always maintained that I do not think it looks good when people with garments wear sheer or lacey clothes and you can see the garments through them. Any clothes in this category I would just layer a capsleeve shirt and then the regular shirt. But now I'm realizing that this is literally every shirt, and that even with a white bra (to blend with the garments) you can still see it if you look for it. I'm now wondering how I never noticed this before. My question is, does being able to even faintly see garments underneath your clothes look tacky? How do other ladies take care of the "too many lines gives away the bra" problem? Do you think these things just look like undershirts to the untrained eye? Even to the trained eye, is that a fashion faux pas? I don't know if there is even such as thing as a completely non-see through shirt when you are wearing white underneath, but now this is really bugging me and making me wonder if people are doing double takes wondering what is going on under there. How do people who live in hot climates dress themselves to stay cool and not run into this happening? Trying to figure out if people don't pay attention like I didn't till now, or if it's just a fact that happens when wearing garments and you hope other people don't look too close. 

Something that I didn't see mentioned is to try out different materials. (Disclaimer: I haven't shopped for any in a few years, so my specifics may be outdated.) I feel like the carinessa lines are easier to hide than others, since it's more of a snug fit. However, the mesh are more breathable, so I wear those when it's super hot or if I'm going to be doing light physical activity (where I may get warm, but not sweaty enough to feel justified not wearing them).