Guest Ammon Posted April 19, 2004 Report Posted April 19, 2004 WoW says to avoid hot and strong drink, O'Doul'S, Cutter, etc. are neither. Are they okay? Can you still get a temple recommend if you drink them? On my mission, I served for a time at the Marine Corp Recruit Depot in San Diego, California (as a missionary, not a marine). The branch presidency of the base all drank O'Doul'S, as did my zone leaders. I've wondered since then, but I've never really researched the topic in great detail. Thoughts? Quote
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted April 19, 2004 Report Posted April 19, 2004 I drink O'Douls occasionally. Quote
Outshined Posted April 19, 2004 Report Posted April 19, 2004 Non-alcoholic beer is all you can get in Kuwait and Iraq. The guys griped, but swilled it anyway..... Is it just me, or is every thread lately WOW-oriented? Quote
Guest Ammon Posted April 19, 2004 Report Posted April 19, 2004 Originally posted by Taoist_Saint@Apr 19 2004, 12:57 PM I don't see why they would not be. They are non-alcoholic and cold.I drink O'Douls occasionally.But I would not volunteer that information in a TR interview. The Bishop might not agree with my interpretation of the WoW. My wife brings up the "appearance of evil" argument. Thoughts? Anyone? Quote
Luzia Posted April 19, 2004 Report Posted April 19, 2004 I think adding things to the Word of Wisdom, comes from what you know it`s wrong for your body. If you know chocolate do you wrong, like you are allergic, or you can`t eat much because of stomach problems, you should add it to the Word of Wisdom. But, I don`t know. Some teacher I had, drinks things that he is offered when he visits someone, but never drinks them for himself. So, it`s a matter of choice, I think. I don`t know if I make any sense, anyway. Quote
Outshined Posted April 19, 2004 Report Posted April 19, 2004 I just follow it; I don't dance around it myself. Quote
AFDaw Posted April 19, 2004 Report Posted April 19, 2004 I wouldn't consider it against the WoW, but I wouldn't drink it myself. I don't understand the appeal of it either though. Quote
Guest bizabra Posted April 20, 2004 Report Posted April 20, 2004 Originally posted by Ammon+Apr 19 2004, 01:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ammon @ Apr 19 2004, 01:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Taoist_Saint@Apr 19 2004, 12:57 PM I don't see why they would not be. They are non-alcoholic and cold.I drink O'Douls occasionally.But I would not volunteer that information in a TR interview. The Bishop might not agree with my interpretation of the WoW. My wife brings up the "appearance of evil" argument. Thoughts? Anyone? How would a mormon who lives in Vegas and works in a casino deal with the "appearance of evil"? Quote
Snow Posted April 20, 2004 Report Posted April 20, 2004 I used to drink it some, Coors Cutter was better. Sometimes on a hot day it seems like a nice cold one would be nice. However, now I don't imbibe. Not that I think anything is wrong with it though, its just a personal choice - like it seems to help my spirituality, though I cook with wine occasionally so I don't know what's the difference. I'd drink decaf coffee for that matter but without the caffeine, there doesn't see to be much point. Quote
Outshined Posted April 20, 2004 Report Posted April 20, 2004 Originally posted by bizabra@Apr 19 2004, 06:39 PM How would a mormon who lives in Vegas and works in a casino deal with the "appearance of evil"? Pasties. Quote
Guest lt Posted April 20, 2004 Report Posted April 20, 2004 Originally posted by Ammon+Apr 19 2004, 01:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ammon @ Apr 19 2004, 01:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Taoist_Saint@Apr 19 2004, 12:57 PM I don't see why they would not be. They are non-alcoholic and cold.I drink O'Douls occasionally.But I would not volunteer that information in a TR interview. The Bishop might not agree with my interpretation of the WoW. My wife brings up the "appearance of evil" argument. Thoughts? Anyone? Ammon I agree with your wife....Most people drink the non alcoholic beer because of the taste, to me why stop there you my as well give in, your thoughts and taste are already there.....I just belive simply dont and you are safer...Once you make one step it is easier to make another. Quote
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted April 21, 2004 Report Posted April 21, 2004 They can drink non-alcoholic beer while resisting the temptation to drink regular beer, then the Lord will be pleased with their strength and willpower Quote
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted April 21, 2004 Report Posted April 21, 2004 Grape juice? Looks like wine. Quote
Guest lt Posted April 21, 2004 Report Posted April 21, 2004 I guess if some people wanna walk the line it would be ok for them.... Quote
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted April 21, 2004 Report Posted April 21, 2004 Well, I don't drink O'Douls and drive. Quote
Guest TheProudDuck Posted April 21, 2004 Report Posted April 21, 2004 Originally posted by Taoist_Saint+Apr 20 2004, 05:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Taoist_Saint @ Apr 20 2004, 05:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Ammon@Apr 19 2004, 01:50 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Taoist_Saint@Apr 19 2004, 12:57 PM I don't see why they would not be. They are non-alcoholic and cold.I drink O'Douls occasionally.But I would not volunteer that information in a TR interview. The Bishop might not agree with my interpretation of the WoW. My wife brings up the "appearance of evil" argument. Thoughts? Anyone? If you go with the "appearance of evil" argument, then you need to avoid root beer (the kind that comes in those brown bottles), because it looks like beer. And you need to avoid apple juice in a clear glass, because it might look like beer. Grape juice? Looks like wine. Hot chocolate from Starbucks? It is in a cup with a Starbucks label so it looks like coffee. Kissing your girlfriend in public? People might assume you are living together unmarried. Hugging your brother? People who do not know you are brothers might think you are a homosexual. There is so much "appearance of evil" in the world, that it is impossible to avoid it. Question of degree, mon ami. My thinking is that fake beer tastes so goshawfully bad that the only conceivable reason anyone would want to drink it, would be to appear to be drinking beer. Whereas drinking apple juice, etc. has a purpose of its own. Quote
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted April 21, 2004 Report Posted April 21, 2004 I drink it for the very conceivable reason that it is lite and refreshing! Quote
srm Posted April 21, 2004 Report Posted April 21, 2004 Since the WOW says, "Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain." O'douls, being a mild drink, must be OK? Quote
shanstress70 Posted April 21, 2004 Report Posted April 21, 2004 Originally posted by Snow@Apr 19 2004, 06:50 PM I'd drink decaf coffee for that matter but without the caffeine, there doesn't see to be much point. This is something I don't understand. I know of a previous Branch President who drank Sanka (decaf coffee). The problem with drinking tea or coffee in the WoW is not the caffeine, right, or Coke wouldn't be allowed? From what I've read (and I've read A LOT lately!), it's just coffee and tea that aren't allowed. So why is decaf OK? Or is it? I will NEVER understand this WoW thing!!! Quote
Outshined Posted April 21, 2004 Report Posted April 21, 2004 Some things we are expected to abide by are harder for some to understand. As Snow said on another thread, some don't understand why they can't have sex outside marriage as long as they are careful. Though I posted it before, HERE is a link concerning the WOW. It has some good insight.Also, HERE!THIS ARTICLE especially seems to go with what you're saying.Hope it helps.-Outshined Quote
shanstress70 Posted April 21, 2004 Report Posted April 21, 2004 Originally posted by Outshined@Apr 21 2004, 06:31 AM Some things we are expected to abide by are harder for some to understand. As Snow said on another thread, some don't understand why they can't have sex outside marriage as long as they are careful. Thanks, Outshined, but I have already read all of those pages (and a lot more). None of them address my concerns though. And they ESPECIALLY don't address the topic of why it's OK to drink decaf coffee, but not regular coffee, while Coke is OK.And I DON'T think it's true that this is harder for some to understand. What I think is that some seem to be OK with NOT understanding it and abiding by it anyway. With all my reading and conversations on it (not just on this board), I don't think anybody really understands it!If that thing is true about Emma not liking the tobacco, and so the men wanted to take something away from the women as well, why is that an OK explanation with you guys? IF that's true, then it wasn't a true revelation! Can anyone disagree with that? Quote
Spencer Posted April 21, 2004 Report Posted April 21, 2004 Ive never heard that story about Emma. I do find it unlikly tho, thats just my opinion however. I dont know the difference between Decaf Coffee and regular coffee in the sense they are both hot drinks, one just has caffeine and the other does not. Here is a question, was there such thing as Decaf when the WoW was written? For me, its case by case. Never been a coffee drinker so thats non-issue. BUT looking at some of my co-workers mugs and how stained they are, i dont see how that could be good to have in myself. Im sure Decaf has the same effect. I know Coke isnt good for you, and i try to drink as little of it as possible, but i could see where giving it up would not be a bad thing. Tea? I LOVED hot tea, little cream and sugar and I was set. Ill admit I miss it. But I have never really questioned it. I dont know why. Just me I guess. I guess the blessing's I get in return for giving this up is enough of a reward to keep my curiosity satisfied. Youre right tho, there are a lot of questions, as the term "Hot Drinks" is rather vague. Not to mention other things like, how much meat a day would it take to be considered not eating it sparingly. Shan, maybe we can get together and really dig through this. But honestly i think the best way, is to make a personal decision on what you feel is right, pray about it, and go from there. Outshined, Thanks for those links, good information. Spencer Quote
shanstress70 Posted April 21, 2004 Report Posted April 21, 2004 Yeah, I know. I need to just let this go! I'm going to try my best not to post on this subject anymore. It doesn't help that there are 3 different threads on it in a week or so! :) Quote
Spencer Posted April 21, 2004 Report Posted April 21, 2004 I dont think you need to let it go, i think you need to find what works for you and be comfortable with it. and go eat dinner with Spencer and Afdaw =b thats the ticket ! Spencer Make sure you get atleast a stake out of it then lol lol, eat my share as well. Quote
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