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[zil2]

Anybody heard about this yet?  Link to their website. I just finished watching a Jordan Peterson video interviewing the organizers. Not finding anything I dislike.  Am curious about other folks' reactions and to see how their event in DC goes.

Edited September 24, 2024 by zil2

[NeuroTypical]

After quickly scanning, it looks like something with which I'm somewhere between 50 - 80% in agreement.   One thing I noticed, their Pillar #2 is basically the argument given by the transgender affirming community to justify medically or surgically transitioning people (and minors with parental consent).   The battle is over what is good "information" on the topic and what isn't.  Using the principle of informed consent, an awful lot of folks have transitioned, with a growing number of them regretting it daily. 

 

 

What's their take on "late stage capitalism"?

Edited September 24, 2024 by NeuroTypical

[zil2]

26 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

One thing I noticed, their Pillar #2 is basically the argument given by the transgender affirming community to justify medically or surgically transitioning people (and minors with parental consent).   The battle is over what is good "information" on the topic and what isn't.  Using the principle of informed consent, an awful lot of folks have transitioned, with a growing number of them regretting it daily. 

My understanding of this issue specifically is that they're getting told stuff that isn't true - thus, they're not actually informed.  Note that they didn't go into detail in the Peterson podcast, and all I know so far is what's on the website and what was in the podcast.

29 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

What's their take on "late stage capitalism"?

Heaven knows.

So far, it seems they have an event with speakers, singers, and comedians scheduled, and that's about it.   I guess listening to all that will tell us more...

Some of the social media links have videos / interviews that shed some light (video on X, for example).  FWIW.  (Mostly I figured folks here would be more aware than I am, since I live under a rock. )

[JohnsonJones]

So, just doing a little bit of research on this group.

1.  It appears that they were hardcore against Vaccine mandates on the surface, and against ANYTHING to protect against Covid, against developing a Vaccine for Covid and were among those claiming Covid was just a common cold (at the time when the hospitals were absolutely getting crushed by those suffering from it and bodies were having to be put in refrigeration trucks because the morgues were full).

2.  They organized a similar gathering for people against helping Ukraine and against anything with the US being involved with helping other nations.

3. They claim to work for liberals, independants, and conservatives, but almost all of the names I recognize on their line ups are those who are conservative and often considered part of the Far Right.  (and no,  Robert F. Kennedy, despite having been a democrat has not exactly been espousing a ton of liberal viewpoints over the past year.  Some of his more candid statements have actually been seen as pretty opposite of those recently). 

4.  They have movies which they exhibit an extremely anti-vaccination stance.  It is focused on being against Covid Vaccination, but also has an extreme stance against vaccinations in general. 

5.  Their prior marches and organizational rallys do not seem to actually have made much of a political difference except to put some more money into a few people's pockets. 

To me, this seems like a Far Right group that is trying to portray itself as being for everyone.  I'm not so certain it is.  it also doesn't seem to be that much of an effective group except to enrich a few people who are trying to get others to help fund it. 

There's not much else about it, but the same people have organized at least two other rallys and things like this previously, which is where I get some of my information above from. 

Because there isn't that much about them other than that, I don't know what to think about them.  I do not know exactly why or what with them, except it seems that someone is making a decent bit of money off of it.

[zil2]

4 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:

Robert F. Kennedy, despite having been a democrat has not exactly been espousing a ton of liberal viewpoints over the past year

He makes a pretty convincing argument that the Republicans and the Democrats are in the process of swapping their views on things like war, environmental protection, free speech, big corporations, etc.

4 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:

I don't know what to think about them

Me either.  But it's interesting.  And I'm all in favor of reducing the power of the various "industrial complexes" (not that I actually believe this will happen before the Second Coming, but I'm all in favor of it).

4 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:

it seems that someone is making a decent bit of money off of it

This is America.  Someone's always making a lot of money off it.

[Carborendum]

On 9/24/2024 at 5:26 PM, zil2 said:

My understanding of this issue specifically is that they're getting told stuff that isn't true - thus, they're not actually informed. 

This will only stop when class action lawsuits make some headway. Then and only then will it stop.

[zil2]

48 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

This will only stop when class action lawsuits make some headway. Then and only then will it stop.

This may interest you: Stop The Harm Database - they're documenting hospitals and doctors that are doing medical or surgical transitioning of children. There's a related site for doctors.  I learned about it from a Jordan Peterson interview with a doctor involved in the organization (link is to the video on X because YT censor stuff on the topic).  In the interview, they mention "the WPATH Files".  WPATH is "World Professional Association of Transgender Health" - apparently the folk everyone turned to as the experts on gender transitioning and such - who turned out to be nothing of the sort.  The site holding those files (that's the link) describes them as: "Leaked files from WPATH reveal widespread medical malpractice on children and vulnerable adults at global transgender healthcare authority".  (I also learned about these from a Peterson interview, but I can't remember whether it was 435 or 459 - you can see all those he's linked with those files here.)

Whenever the details (and the Peterson interview does get explicit at least once that I recall) of gender "reassignment" surgery, it is truly horrific to me.  I agree with Peterson, these folks are up there with the WWII Nazi and Japanese (that no one ever talks about) doctors experimenting on humans - both groups did things more awful than I think most of us ever imagined - and perhaps cannot imagine.

Meanwhile, if you want something more cheerful, here's an interview with a guy who's going after big corporations who adopt DEI policies while their primary consumers want nothing to do with it, and he turns them around!    It's an enjoyable interview.

[zil2]

Meanwhile, for those who didn't watch, the event was mostly a "vote trump" event, but not entirely.  It didn't have as much attendance (in person, at least) as one might hope.  I found many of the speeches interesting. (Fair warning, Matt Taibbi is pretty vulgar, but I thought what he said needed to be said, just not with the vulgarity; a few others used some choice words, but not as much as Taibbi.)  I skipped over the music.  If nothing else, watching Jordan Peterson and Russell Brand play off each other is highly entertaining.  Here's the playlist (it's not in order of appearance).