Patterns

[Guest tomk]

I think it might be instructive for us to post patterns or "oft repeated phrases" that we have run across when studying the scriptures. In such phrases lie the "mysteries" of God. We don't necessarily need to post what is personal revelation for us, but certainly we can share those parts which are for public consumption:

I'll start us off:

One day during my studies I found-out that the Lord has repeated the following phrasing in ALL FOUR STANDARD WORKS:

Isa. 64: 4

For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

1 Cor. 2: 9

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

3 Ne. 17: 16

And after this manner do they bear record: The eye hath never seen, neither hath the ear heard, before, so great and marvelous things as we saw and heard Jesus speak unto the Father;

D&C 133: 45

For since the beginning of the world have not men heard nor perceived by the ear, neither hath any eye seen, O God, besides thee, how great things thou hast prepared for him that waiteth for thee.

This repetition makes it clear to me that the Lord desires to bless us with as much as we are willing to receive, as fast as we're willing to receive it.

[lilered]

A Still Small Voice - Which indicates when the Holy Spirit speaks to most of us, it is done without fanfare, others knowing it, and is in away, that we must be able to listen for it and to it. Praying and then not giving the prayer a chance to be responded to because we immediatly get on the cell phone, plug in the IPOD in our ear, or jump on the computer etc.. We need to create an enviroment whereby

the Holy Spirit will feel welcome to be invited in to fulfill his responsiblity.

1 Kgs. 19: 12

12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

1 Ne. 17: 45

45 Ye are swift to do iniquity but slow to remember the Lord your God. Ye have seen an angel, and he spake unto you; yea, ye have heard his voice from time to time; and he hath spoken unto you in a still small voice, but ye were past feeling, that ye could not feel his words; wherefore, he has spoken unto you like unto the voice of thunder, which did cause the earth to shake as if it were to divide asunder.

D&C 85: 6

6 Yea, thus saith the still small voice, which whispereth through and pierceth all things, and often times it maketh my bones to quake while it maketh manifest, saying:

[rameumptom]

One of the key terms in the Book of Mormon is "remember." We are encouraged to remember the captivity of our fathers, and the blessings of God in freeing them. We are asked by Moroni to study the scriptures and ponder the words, remembering what God did for Adam and others since. Alma 5 asks us if we remember how we felt when the Spirit first touched us, and if we can so feel that now.

Christ taught that the Holy Ghost will bring all things to our remembrance. And the Sacramental prayers have us promise to "always remember Him."

[Hemidakota]

I think it might be instructive for us to post patterns or "oft repeated phrases" that we have run across when studying the scriptures. In such phrases lie the "mysteries" of God. We don't necessarily need to post what is personal revelation for us, but certainly we can share those parts which are for public consumption:

I'll start us off:

One day during my studies I found-out that the Lord has repeated the following phrasing in ALL FOUR STANDARD WORKS:

Isa. 64: 4

For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

1 Cor. 2: 9

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

3 Ne. 17: 16

And after this manner do they bear record: The eye hath never seen, neither hath the ear heard, before, so great and marvelous things as we saw and heard Jesus speak unto the Father;

D&C 133: 45

For since the beginning of the world have not men heard nor perceived by the ear, neither hath any eye seen, O God, besides thee, how great things thou hast prepared for him that waiteth for thee.

This repetition makes it clear to me that the Lord desires to bless us with as much as we are willing to receive, as fast as we're willing to receive it.

If you notice when ever the veil is rented with any person in mortality, mere mortal language cannot even described those moments of what is being received. First reaction is to marvel over the scenery, the voice, or beings themselves. I noticed even Joseph Smith on occasion could not write what was being presented in mortal language.

Yes, I concur with your assumption. If we are ready. If we are receipted. If we can comprehend what is being revealed. HE would never allow us to see or hear anything that is beyond our level of reception and understanding.

[Elgama]

One that always interested me was the Bible pattern of the younger inheriting even in the Book of Mormon its Nephi.

But

Cain - Abel/Seth

Ishmael - Isaac

Esau - Jacob

Reuben - Joseph

Manasseh - Ephraim

The latter one is the most intriguing because they appear to be little boys and Manasseh had not done anything to lose his.

-Charley

[Guest tomk]

One that always interested me was the Bible pattern of the younger inheriting even in the Book of Mormon its Nephi.

But

Cain - Abel/Seth

Ishmael - Isaac

Esau - Jacob

Reuben - Joseph

Manasseh - Ephraim

The latter one is the most intriguing because they appear to be little boys and Manasseh had not done anything to lose his.

-Charley

And what have we inherited from Heavenly Father?

[Hemidakota]

One that always interested me was the Bible pattern of the younger inheriting even in the Book of Mormon its Nephi.

But

Cain - Abel/Seth

Ishmael - Isaac

Esau - Jacob

Reuben - Joseph

Manasseh - Ephraim

The latter one is the most intriguing because they appear to be little boys and Manasseh had not done anything to lose his.

-Charley

Even the partial story difference of two noted authors observation between who answered first when the FATHER's plan was laid out: Moses versus Abraham. Who is correct? If, there is any pattern key given here in this biblical pattern of the younger or middle child inheriting the birthright, maybe this cause that rift between the Son of Morning and the FATHER. Being first and not be chosen, would place a wedge between the child and the parent; as seen in past biblical prophets children.

[Guest tomk]

Regarding this oft repeated phrasing: ASK, SEEK, KNOCK.

Does this phrase mean more than meets the eye?

Matt. 7: 7

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Ask = Given

Seek = Find

Knock = Open

Luke 11: 9

9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

Ask = Given

Seek = Find

Knock = Open

3 Ne. 14: 7

7 Ask, and it shall be given unto you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

Ask = Given

Seek = Find

Knock = Open

D&C 88: 63

63 Draw near unto me and I will draw near unto you; seek me diligently and ye shall find me; ask, and ye shall receive; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

Draw Near Unto Christ = Christ Draws Near Unto Me

Seek Diligently = Find Christ

Ask = Receive

Knock = Open

Some links to other scriptures or phrases that can shed some light would be great.

[Hemidakota]

D&C 88:83 = Matt 25:40

[Guest tomk]

83 He that seeketh me early shall find me, and shall not be forsaken.

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

[Guest tomk]

HOPE + RESURRECTION

More phrasing that seems to go "deeper" than surface level:

Acts 23: 6

6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.

Acts 24: 15

15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

1 Pet. 1: 3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Jacob 4: 11

11 Wherefore, beloved brethren, be reconciled unto him through the atonement of Christ, his Only Begotten Son, and ye may obtain a resurrection, according to the power of the resurrection which is in Christ, and be presented as the first-fruits of Christ unto God, having faith, and obtained a good hope of glory in him before he manifesteth himself in the flesh.

Alma 27: 28

28 And they did look upon shedding the blood of their brethren with the greatest abhorrence; and they never could be prevailed upon to take up arms against their brethren; and they never did look upon death with any degree of terror, for their hope and views of Christ and the resurrection; therefore, death was swallowed up to them by the victory of Christ over it.

Moro. 7: 41

41 And what is it that ye shall hope for? Behold I say unto you that ye shall have hope through the atonement of Christ and the power of his resurrection, to be raised unto life eternal, and this because of your faith in him according to the promise.

D&C 42: 45

45 Thou shalt live together in love, insomuch that thou shalt weep for the loss of them that die, and more especially for those that have not hope of a glorious resurrection.

D&C 138: 14

14 All these had departed the mortal life, firm in the hope of a glorious resurrection, through the grace of God the Father and his Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

Hope in a GLORIOUS resurrection.

I wish I understood this better.

I keep thinking "ALL WILL RESURRECT" -- and the expression of "hope" seems contradictory. How can we "hope" for something that is to come to pass for ALL ???

Of course we get resurrected to different glories ... I get that much.

But I still don't understand the nature of this "hope" that his spoken of.

Now, I know that faith, having been rewarded over and over again, breeds HOPE in Christ. Meaning, we become convinced that His word is SURE -- because we have seen our faith rewarded time and again. For this reason we have HOPE. Hope breeds the faith necessary to lay hold upon CHARITY (which is possible only through personal revelation from God - because we don't know the needs of others, but God does)

6 Behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh. And when he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh, the things which he shall say unto you shall ye observe to do.

Ether 3: 13

13 And when he had said these words, behold, the Lord showed himself unto him, and said: Because thou knowest these things ye are redeemed from the fall; therefore ye are brought back into my presence; therefore I show myself unto you.

The brother of Jared lived for several more years AFTER he saw the Lord.

[the Ogre]

. . . In such phrases lie the "mysteries" of God . . .

What mormon-mysticism on top of fundamentalism? Mormon kabbalahism? Looking to write a mormon Zohar or something?

[Guest tomk]

What mormon-mysticism on top of fundamentalism? Mormon kabbalahism? Looking to write a mormon Zohar or something?

Moderator: Please review Ogre's post for possible harrassment.

[skalenfehl]

What mormon-mysticism on top of fundamentalism? Mormon kabbalahism? Looking to write a mormon Zohar or something?

Ogre, what gives, bud? Has tomk done something to merit these comments or done something to offend you? This is a good topic and I hope that it continues to stay a good topic.

[rameumptom]

Tomk,

I think that hope is the vision of what we believe in. As Moroni tells us in Ether 12:4, it is an anchor to men's souls, allowing us to hope for a better resurrection and life in the eternities.

Many people get overloaded with the struggles of life and forget or curse God. Focusing our hope and vision on that eternal glory allows us to have our eye single to the glory of God, a prerequisite for the people of Zion (D&C 82).

Peter was able to walk on water, as long as he saw only Christ. But when he allowed the waves to distract and unnerve him, suddenly he lost faith and began to sink. Had he kept his hope/focus/vision on Christ, he would have been able to tap dance on the water and not got his clothes wet.

So it is with us. We believe, but we often do not hope. We fall into dismay, disillusionment and despair because we only see what's going on right now around us. But the person who uses his internal eye to see beyond the veil and envisions the hopes and joys of a glorious resurrection is able to withstand the trials of our day.

Interestingly, both Ether and Moroni end their messages to us by saying that it doesn't matter what happened to them, as long as they are resurrected in glory in God's kingdom. Even after all the wars, tortures, cannibalism, and tragedies they experienced, they were still able to hope for that future event.