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Do you use Google at all?? First Tongue: An early global language is BYU scholarly enough for you? The Names of God arrrggghhh.

Good point... I was attending a different Book of Mormon believing church and was considering baptism. When I prayed about it I decided to do the "open your scriptures and read where you land method", well I landed where Alma says to the people (I believe at the Waters of Mormon) "What have ye against being baptized?" Does that prove that that church was right and the LDS church is in apostacy??????????

My Thoughts? I want more of the story... First, where did you throw it away at? Home, work, a bus stop, dumpster behind Wal-Mart? Where?

Yeah, I know what you mean. When I hear stories about 9' tall men dressed like Quakers living on the Moon, it just goes ballistic.

Absolutely... COAST TO COAST AM WITH GEORGE NOORY

I believe Reformed Egyptian is related to Negev, an ancient language from the desert between Egypt and Israel, a writing that has been discovered on ancient American artifacts.

The Book of Jasher, which Joseph approved of, said that Rebecca was 10 and Isaac 40 when they married... Jasher 24: 39-45... # And they all blessed the Lord who brought this thing about, and they gave him Rebecca, the daughter of Bethuel, for a wife for Isaac. # And the young woman was of very comely appearance, she was a virgin, and Rebecca was ten years old in those days. # And Bethuel and Laban and his children made a feast on that night, and Eliezer and his men came and ate and drank and rejoiced there on that night. # And Eliezer rose up in the morning, he and the men that were with him, and he called to the whole household of Bethuel, saying, Send me away that I may go to my master; and they rose up and sent away Rebecca and her nurse Deborah, the daughter of Uz, and they gave her silver and gold, men servants and maid servants, and they blessed her. # And they sent Eliezer away with his men; and the servants took Rebecca, and he went and returned to his master to the land of Canaan. # And Isaac took Rebecca and she became his wife, and he brought her into the tent. # And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebecca, the daughter of his uncle Bethuel, for a wife.

Apparently they have audio/video from Purgatory (the name of the jail, seriously) fo him saying he wasn't a prophet, etc... I never thought he was, so I could care less. The still need proof of their allegations about the families at YFZ, and they haven't come up with any.

Did anyone force her to commit adultery with a man older then her cousin/husband? Did you know she admitted in her book her lover was an embittered ex-FLDS "looking to take Warren Jeff's down"? And she only left her husband and came up with this story after having this ongoing affair and speaking with her lover's friends (who were also ex-FLDS)? You need to learn to get ALL the facts before making such rash judgments. Stay out of public office please. Flora was never married off in the FLDS Carolyn was NOT a child bride, she was 18

Ah, the famed "Bishop's Record". But like I said in my earlier post... this isn't about Warren Jeff's, if they want to, pursue HIM in criminal court. This raid was about the children of these specific families.

Yes, I have read the news stories. But how are they determining and who determined that she is, in fact, 12?

Where is it shown that she is 12 years-old? CPS has already shown it is very inept at guessing the ages of FLDS women. BTW, Warren Jeffs is 6'7" just about anyone would appear short next to him, so we can't judge it by her size in the picture. Either way it doesn't matter Warren Jeffs is in jail and Texas has yet to prove anything besides polygamy occurred at the YFZ Ranch. If they want to make a case against Jeffs, go ahead, but this is about these families not him.

from LDS.org “Is there any reference in scripture or other sources of information that tells where Hagoth and his ships, referred to in Alma 63, went?” Dale C. LeCheminant, “Q&A: Questions and Answers,” New Era, July 1979, 14–15 Answer/Brother Dale C. LeCheminant , Ph.D. That is a very interesting question. The passage that gives rise to the question is in the last chapter of Alma in the Book of Mormon, where three years in the period of the judges are briefly characterized in sparse descriptions of a few events and people. And the story of Hagoth is one of these. In the 37th year of the reign of the judges, a northward movement of some Book of Mormon people began. Part of this migration was that of some sea-traveling people under the direction of Hagoth, apparently an adventuresome, gifted craftsman, described as “an exceedingly curious man,” who skillfully built a large ship, equipped it, and sent it with many people “into the west sea” on a “course northward.” After this ship returned the next year, Hagoth “built other ships,” perhaps because of the favorable report of those who had returned, and many more emigrants sailed northward with him and were never heard of again. Presumably no report of their destination was known by the writer of this account, for he simply remarks of the ship’s course “and whither she did go we know not.” Now that is the concise but entire scriptural account of the curious Hagoth, master shipbuilder. As a thoughtful reader—such as the one to whom this question occurred—lingers over this passage, he comes to wonder upon the fate of this expedition, to become curious about Hagoth as perhaps Hagoth himself was about what lay northward in the sea. I see other cryptic accounts in the Book of Mormon that cause the same curiosity: When Alma goes off and is not heard of again, we wonder what happened to him. (See Alma 45:18.) And when Nephi leaves his people never to be seen again, we ponder his disappearance. (See 3 Ne. 1:3.) Wonderment is a great and natural human response to the unknown. It drives us to seek answers! Alas though, in the case of musing over Hagoth’s destiny, our curiosity cannot be satisfied with facts. The scripture is silent and other sources are of slight help. Another human inclination, often companion to wonderment, especially when wonderment cannot be satisfied with information, is that of speculation—an effort to give some resolution to difficult questions by resorting to the possible or probable. This is the kind of “putting two and two together” approach used by our serious researching students of the Book of Mormon, who really are in the same position as we curious, serious readers. Since they have little more to rely on than we do, they too resort to speculation. Some of these publishing scholars consider the possibility that many of the seafaring expeditionaries such as Hagoth’s group reached the region we now call the United States of America, and others reached the Polynesian islands. (See Sidney B. Sperry, Book of Mormon Compendium, [Deseret Book Co., 1972], p. 369.) But these writers are appropriately guarded in reporting their surmise about the fate of Hagoth and his company and righty qualify their theory with such terms as probable, possibility, matter of conjecture, and tradition. And this all to their scholarly credit, for the theories are still speculation as far as scientists are concerned and unsettled as far as the prophets are concerned, since they have not seen fit to comment on the matter. Several have stated that the Polynesians are descendants of Lehi, but we have no comments from them on the fate of Hagoth. So we curious readers are left to our human wonderment in considering just what did happen to that adventurous, talented, and curious Hagoth with his brave northward-bound Nephites. Some day, perhaps, we shall know their story. For now we may rest assured in the thought that it isn’t a matter of great moment to settle such issues that arise because of the sketchiness of some passages of the scripture, tempting as it might be to do otherwise.

Yes, ole' Heber J. didn't like them plygs. At least they haven't gone that far this time.

Google "Short Creek Raid" In 1953 the government did the same thing to this group of people. Shipping kids off to foster "care" and throwing men and women in jail. Sad.

Even if they didn't before these kids will surely not trust the government now. I'm sure you've seen the interviews with 60 year-old women who were children during the Short Creek Raid, they are STILL traumatized 55 years later.

Court: Sect children should be returned to parents 19 minutes ago AUSTIN, Texas - The Texas Supreme Court has ruled that children taken from a polygamist sect's ranch should be returned to their parents, saying child welfare officials overstepped their authority. ADVERTISEMENT The high court on Thursday affirmed a decision last week by an appeals court that said Child Protective Services failed to show an immediate danger to the more than 400 children swept up from the Yearning For Zion Ranch nearly two months ago. The ruling directs a lower-court judge to reverse her decision putting the children into foster case. The appeals court ordered the judge to return the children to the parents soon but it is unclear exactly when that will happen.

Noooo, rumors of Child Brides and Lost Boys (yes, Lost Boys) have been in the news, feed by FLDS apostates. Little Ms. Wall, who committed adultery with a disgruntled ex-FLDS man who was older then her husband, admits in her new money-making scheme, er, book, that when she "found out" she was getting married at 14, she was suprised because she hadn't heard of anyone getting married that young in a long time and that all her friends were 17- 18 when they got married.

Wow, it's like you have ignored facts me and others have brought to everyone's attention:huh: "Generations of Child Brides" Where? What proof? Ah yes, Flora and the gang. "Lost Boys"? Ha! Read this... "The blog below is written by a young man who is a former FLDS member. It is quite good and is worth subscribing to. The address is below. FLDS View THURSDAY, MAY 1, 2008 Lost and Found "Boys" Beginning late 2002 to mid 2003 there was a split in the FLDS church. Winston Blackmore, the Bishop in Canada was demoted, and his brother Richard was asked to be the Bishop. Winston then held a gathering in Canada announcing he would not step down and his brother and about half of the residents joined his new church. There was a few from the Colorado City area who also agreed with Winston, and among them was Doug Cook. Doug Cook was a tile contractor who had just recently split up with his wife. Doug had a few young men working for him when he left the FLDS, among them were two of my brothers. They were all at least 18 except Doug’s own sons. He rented a house in the town of Hurricane, about 20 miles from the FLDS towns of Hildale and Colorado City. This became the first “Lost Boy” party (safe?) house. Literally dozens of boys, some as young as 13, would catch a ride down to this house every night. I don’t know what they were doing to gain such recognition, but the Hurricane police department got rather tired of going over there. Although this was not the only place to disappear to, it was well known by many parents who drove down there every night looking for their sons and sometimes daughters. If a girl leaves, she “escapes” If a boy does he is “kicked out” Over the next few months I went there twice to pick up my sister Fawn, and look for some of my minor aged nephews who had caught a ride with my brothers and their friends. Later Doug moved his house and crew to St George. Other older guys got thier own place, but my brothers nephews, and their friends lived at Doug's. The “Lost Boy” term was invented by Dan and Shem Fischer. Dan Fischer a wealthy dentist and former member, and his younger brother Shem who had just recently left the church, paid these guys to come to Salt Lake for a party, and on July 31, 2004 they all gathered on the steps of the Capital building. Most of them, including my brothers, were rather embarrassed and to this day refer to being called a “Lost Boy” as an insult. One month later Dan Fischer got six of the young men to sue Warren Jeffs and the United Effort Plan (the trust the people of the FLDS held their homes and property in) I am really grateful that my brothers refused to be a part of the lawsuit even when their friends were. Thanks for not hurting your parents more, guys! The Six “Lost Boys” were: (ages in 2oo4) Richard Gilbert (19) – Whose parents had left the FLDS several years earlier Richard Ream (21) – Who joined the church headed by Winston (truck driver) Walter Fischer (2o) – Who was asked out of the house for advances to his step sister Don Fischer (18) – Walters’s younger brother, both worked for Doug Cook Dean Barlow (18) – (Can’t remember him, lots of Barlow’s :>) Thomas S Steed (18) – Whose parents had left the church several years before There were quite a few minor boys in the news articles about the “Lost Boys” but none were included in the lawsuit because their parents would have made them come home. Most of the underage boys I saw were living with their older brothers. One of my sisters did give custody of her 15 year old son to one of my uncles who had left the church long ago. I am sure there are others like him, but I don’t know them. She got tired of chasing him home, and let him go. I want to address the ridiculous story that these guys were “kicked out” to reduce competition for brides. I am sorry, I am laughing just to type this. If it wasn’t all over the news I would think it was a cartoon. If these guys wanted to compete for the girls, they sure didn’t try very hard. All you had to do was obey the doctrines of the church. I am sure some men in the FLDS have as many wives as they do because there weren't enough young guys who would settle down and obey the church doctrines. Two of my brothers are now married to young ladies who left the FLDS, and one (I hope) is getting married soon. Be a man, Brig! Now I don't have any criticism for the Diversity Foundation that Dan Fischer has created, nor the charity schooling that he is doing for some of these guys, but the lawsuit was like suing their own parents. I think that was awful, and led (among the other three lawsuits paid for by Dan Fischer) to the siezure of the UEP Trust and all of the homes on it." Wake up people! Do you homeschool? Your next.

Isn't your statement on oxymoron? "He wasn't ex'd for his writings, he was ex'd for apostacy". His supossed apostacy WAS his writings.

I keep on messing that up Sure I'll start a topic, I'll title it "Messianic Mormons? WTH?"

They traveled to the southern arabian pennesulia (sp?) and departed for and area about in the area of Yemen. The Jaredites most likely traveled across Asia and departed from the shores of China or somwhere over there.

First mistake... they are looking for Hebrew heritage through Mitochondrial (female) DNA. We know from the Book of Mormon the Nephites descended from Joseph through Manasseh, Joseph's wife was Egyptian most likely through Ham's son Put (Potiphara means "from the land of Put", so their testing wouldn't identify Hebrew DNA. Second, they generally are looking for a Cohenite (Levi) strain, that's how they have identifed African and Indian (from India) "Jews". The Bofdoesn't say one way or another whethe any Cohen's made it here to mingle with the Nephite population. Third, there are no Nephites left who knows who the Lamanites bred with both during the BofM time period and the intervening years before Spainards arrived? Swiss cheese anyone?

I believe he was "cut off" due to his writings it only came out later that he was a ***** (their term not mine). But I could be wrong. Removed slang term ~ Please see the following rule for clarification: 11. You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this site to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. Even though you didn't use the term, you didn't have to repeat it. Canuck Mormon

In the LDS church you are taught the highest ordinance you receive for entry into the CK is being sealed in marriage, also the very first commandment is to multiply and replenish the earth. Yahushua had to fulfill ALL the commandments to qualify as Savior, so according to strict a strict interpretation of LDS theology He had to be married.