MrNirom

I'll give you Chris' vision next.

Message posted Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:27 pm Re: More....... Sept 18, Friday. This A.M. I was again shown a lot of events. I wish I knew the time frame. but I did ask concerning the earthquake and I feel it will happen sometime after conference and before Thanksgiving. We've given ourselves 1 mo. from now to be completely ready.. I hope that is enough time. I again saw the blackish brown haze covering the earth. Then I was in New York City. I saw a man get out of a taxi holding a briefcase. He looked up at a large very stark grey building. I knew it was somehow connected to the world bank. Then I saw a meeting inside this building. Several individuals were sitting at a large table and there was a lot of yelling. There was a man standing with his back to the others, looking out a window and talking on a cell phone. He was negotiating with the world bank in England. They were shifting funds to stop the worldwide meltdown of banks. He was speaking of two banks that they were very concerned about. One was here in the U.S.. and very large, the other was in the U.K. and connected to the royalty. Both banks were ready to fall and one had to be sacrificed to save the other. It was like a power tug of war.. If the royal bank were to fail it would effect the political stability in Europe. All of the European banks were scrambling. Even the royal family was concerned. Next I saw that it was decided to sacrifice the U.S. bank. I saw it looked like a large building crumbling. ( it reminded me of 911). Next I saw the Whitehouse. The president was in the oval office and got the news, then he called for a meeting of the joint chiefs of staff and a special session of congress. He had no more moves to make and was following orders. Next I saw a Penthouse apartment, right at the very top. in the background I could see the yellowish orange sunset. on the horizon. ( it was like the sun was\pard line setting on this lifestyle) Back at the meeting at the Whitehouse everyone looked down. there was nothing they could do. They had worked all day to save the economy and it was gone. Next I saw the NYSE just before the closing bell. there were some people who had connections and rumors of the bank closure was effecting everything. I saw the market drop 1200 points just before things closed. Next I saw the Presidents face he picked up the phone then he was on a news broadcast and declared a nationwide /global emergency. Fortunes were lost, and lives lost. Again I saw suicides. The president said "we will restructure." I knew this meant they wanted to put the Amero into effect. I saw our pres meeting with leaders of other nations. Especially Canada and Mexico. Mexico was big problem. It had ties to Venezuela and Chavez was putting pressure on them. Over in Cuba I saw a military build up. Russia was also increasing it's forces up by Alaska just across the bay from the U.S. Putin was laughing at us but he was very angry. Venezuela was ready to declare war. Then I saw a new world order meeting and the U.N. they were putting pressure on Mexico to get the American union put into effect. Then I saw how resources had become the new money worldwide. Everyone was scrambling to stake their claims on oil reserves. I think this is just one of the reasons Russia was gearing up near Alaska. Everyone was positioning themselves. Next I saw that the NWO [New World Order] was not getting what they wanted, Mexico was not cooperating, negotiations weren't working and the NWO began to threaten Mexico. This caused the situation to explode. Chavez made a move of some kind from Venezuela it was an attack. I saw that China was being unusually quiet. They were gearing up during all of the worldwide chaos. Things in Iran also heated up. The oil and food meant power and they were flexing their muscles. Next I saw a cascade of foreclosures and joblessness. There were very few jobs and too much debt. People were on the streets and tent cities were springing up everywhere. I saw men in suits wandering homeless. There were skeleton crews on a lot of jobs. All companies were scaling back. Even at utility companies. Then I saw power outages all across the U.S. Times were rough. Next I saw the federal reserve and Allan Greenspan. (I do not know just who he is or what he does) but he was very connected. I saw that the old structure of the federal reserve was vacant and small. They were setting up and moving everything to a really great big structure. They were putting all of the money in to this larger reserve. This was planned to put the right people in place and they were getting rid of those they didn't want. They were making fortunes as they did it. Now they had even more money than before and the world reserve was set up to fund the NWO and the anti Christ. In all of this I saw again the round up of people and the concentration camps. The NWO didn't care about China, Russia and Venezuela. They were moving forward with their plans no matter what, like a giant machine. Next I saw our military with stockpiles of food and weapons. In the streets the military began rounding people up especially the homeless and tent cities. This was the first phase of really rounding people up. The people were hungry and it was getting cold. Some were hopeful this would help them, others were scared. It looked so much like Nazi Germany. Now people began doubling up in homes so they wouldn't be rounded up. . Then I saw a flu start, this was not "the flu" but it was bad. The authorities called it an epidemic and people started lining up for the flu shots... (don’t)! There were a lot of old people and LOTS of snow. The snow was oh so bad! There were fewer jobs and Christmas time was not happy. People were just staying home and the holidays were sparse. Sales were down and in the stores canned goods were a big deal. I saw people getting food instead of presents. ( get stocked up now I saw a great demand and short supply of canned goods) Fresh fruit and vegetables were still available but they were in short supply. There wasn't much on the store shelves I saw the cause of this was partially a lot of rain in the fall in Cal. Again I was shown the tsunami and earthquakes in Cal. and lots of devastation. A lot of lives lost and sadness. ( I do not know when this will happen or where it fits in the order of things.) Next I saw Oct. Conference. The time of warning was past. There was some talk of these problems and obeying the prophet. They spoke of how the Lords church would go on and the church was well prepared. I saw that in the background a restructure of some sort was happening. I didn't see any details. But it was like things were pulling in They seemed to be setting things up for more isolated leadership. I had read a talk of Pres Packer’s and he spoke of changes in the fall, I wondered if this was what he was referring to? I saw more leaders staying in their own countries and less travel. Some sort of decision was made at this time that was really big and I think it had to do with the missionaries. I was reminded that they have already moved some for political reasons and this would increase. I saw the elders coming home because of the tensions worldwide. This started gradually at first then it increased. Next I saw the canneries, they were busy with the harvest. Getting a lot done but people were buying it as fast as they could and the shelves were empty. The council on being prepared had not been heeded by the majority, now they were in a panic. Some still saw no reason to do anything. I saw a lot of people going to their bishops for help and there just wasn't enough... next I saw the Church’s grain silo. I watched the grain slowly go down till only one kernel was left. They had sold a lot of it but still had some. They couldn't be expected to feed the entire church and the demand was great. Again I saw conference, there was a lot of security. People were encouraged to watch from home. There were a lot of concerns among the people. Then once conference was over there was an uneasiness in the air. It was quiet then I saw a big bump under the earth. Then the first small earthquake started, it was a small shaking at first.6.2 I think. This was a warning for people to leave at that point. Some did. Then it was shy of about a week that passed. I watched underground as this earlier earthquake caused a fault to begin moving and slipping. Then the west side of the fault bumped and dropped. It was mass panic as the bigger earthquake began. ( I've shared a lot of this before, so some may be familiar) It was like I was standing in a mall the lights over head were swaying, people were hiding under the counters and the walls began to crumble, then I saw a large metal ceiling beam fall. This earthquake was lasting too long. I kept on thinking 3 minutes. But I asked and was told more like 1. It seemed like forever. It was at least and 8.6 Buildings were crumbling everywhere. There were great big cracks in the ground. Small and large I saw the great salt lake sloshing from side to side. In the 2nd earthquake it is like a wall of geysers. It all began in the early morning, it was nippy outside and people had on jackets . There were so many dead and injured. Then it was like I was up in the sky looking down at the damage. All of the foothills had liquefied some of the valley was like Jell-O. A lot of the hospitals were half collapsed almost all of the roads were jagged and broken up there were fires from broken gas mains and water spewing and leaking everywhere. Most of the homes were either flattened or were damaged. In the older parts of town things were really bad all of the old buildings had crumbled and were just rubble. I again saw the glass building up near main shatter and come down. I saw the church office swaying and that afterwards it had to be evacuated due to some damage, it was unsafe. The capitol collapsed on the south end. I watched the spaghetti bowl just fall to pieces and up towards Parleys canyon the overpasses on the freeway had crumbled. A great Crack divided all of Salt lake in half it ran form the Northeast mountains all the way down in to Taylorsville with a lot of smaller cracks coming from that. North in Bountiful the large homes on the hill were really damaged bad. At the airport I saw the parking garage pancake down on top of itself. The airport was also damaged in places but it still was working. Next I saw people wandering the streets in a daze. There were a lot of gangs and looting. People were hiding and in shock. There were sirens and helicopters everywhere. News people were everywhere. The nation was watching closely. This thing was so big it effected. Utah, Nevada, Idaho, Arizona, California, and Wyoming. I did not see much in Colorado. It seemed like the southeast part of Utah was less effected. Next I saw how this event opened up the Cascade range fissures. Things shifted enough to cause the volcano's to heat up. Rainier, St Helens, Hood and Mammoth Lake etc....this did effect Oregon and Washington, but I did not see if it effected Montana. It seemed to be o.k. there were so many people dead. Now the military came in. I saw a truck with a canvas top full of soldiers. It was on one of the streets in SL they jumped out with guns in hand. They were making everyone leave in mandatory evacuations. They began putting people in relocation centers. ( the camps) it was planned. (get out on your own before that happens, when you see the smaller earthquake it is a warning. Never ever ever go to those relocation centers, they become concentration camps later on!) next I saw Long lines of cars on Redwood road. There was less damage there and it was one of the routes out of town. Eagle mountain and Saratoga springs were somewhat damaged but Lehi was the first place people started going to. They were inundated with people getting out of the SL valley. I saw that over on west Mountain in Utah County steam vents had opened up on the northwest side of the mountain, it is volcanic. In Utah co. all of the foothills had liquefied as well, and there was almost as much damage as in SL. There was a big crack near the river in American Fork. This ran all the way up into Pleasant Grove. At the point of the mountain the homes on the north side were all destroyed. They were built on sand and just came sliding down like matchsticks. The tower at thanksgiving point also fell. All of the roads were really broken up. Next I saw Rice stadium, whole sections of bleachers had fallen due to the ground falling away beneath. Then I saw Royal stadium it was half gone. Next I Saw BYU football stadium it had some damage but seemed to be intact. The other buildings on campus were not so lucky. All of the older ones came down. I saw an older dorm was also half gone. But there weren't many students there. I had the feeling they were gone for the weekend or it was a holiday. Maybe they were all in class? The old Provo Tabernacle was damaged and crumbled on the north wall. I saw the glass in the NeWays building really crash down. killing people. The roads in Provo were so jagged and broken up. Again fires and a lot of water spraying from broken pipes. Rock canyon had a lot of damage as well. I did see that Deer Creek and Jordonelle were damaged but I don't think they go completely until the 2nd earthquake? just not sure? I saw ambulances trying to get around in Provo and it was really hard. The streets were so broken up. The hospital garage had collapsed and they were treating people out in the open parking lots and on the grass. I saw that there were a lot of helicopters and so me of the hospital was damaged. Then I saw the old Ironton hill between Provo and Springville. Most of it was gone, due to liquefaction of the ground beneath. The old Clyde building in Springville had crumbled and any buildings with a lot of glass just kind of exploded. The freeway to the west was flooded near Provo and there were a lot of power lines down on it. It was really dangerous. Past the north Springville exit to the south, there were cars lined up everywhere on the freeway trying to get out and go south. There was a major fault line to the east of Springville and the High School was mostly gone because it was built on it. Only the west portion of the building was standing. All of the houses on the hills were in bad shape. There was a lot of water in the streets and big cracks. I saw that near the old creek that goes though town there was a lot of damage. Homes had fallen in and lots of large cracks were near those areas. The creek was dry though, and that was good. The old buildings on main were in piles. Only one or two walls were intact Some streets in Springville were usable to the south. Next I saw Spanish fork, I watched as a gas station exploded there on one of the main roads. I saw that south of Spanish Fork the damage got less as you went south. But it was still at least a 7 pointer there. there was still a lot of damage and people killed. I did see that the priesthood had protected some of the buildings that had been blessed and dedicated. Communications were down, cell phone lines were clogged. It was expressed to me that those in the quake should call a family member in another state to tell of their condition and then that family member could notify others of how things are. This would free up the lines. I saw that Logan was effected in about the same way as Utah county. About a 7.-- there. It was a 6 pointer in areas south. I saw people evacuated to Price, Sanpete and Delta areas. I did not see them going north, it seemed like the damage was greater there. Next I saw them calling for people to open their homes and work together. Other nations began offering help. The world was watching. There were a lot of government, military vehicles around and they brought supplies. There were so many dead. I saw cars lined up on freeways and people dying in them. If you get caught in this traffic turn off your car. Save your gas. and save the battery. Have a crank radio with to listen to or have one person call tell me or another info line with their cell. Then report to the others in line...so it doesn't clog the cell lines. Everyone was trying to help the evacuations. Anyone with medical training was put to work. This earthquake began opening up the underground waters, but more came later in the 2nd earthquake there is a major underground river under the mountains and the damage of this quake effected it. I was told that reports would say this was the costliest earthquake in lives and property in U.S. history even worse than the San Francisco quake. Most everything was damaged. So much death and suffering. I saw a little rebuilding, but with the economic situation there was not a lot of insurance to cover things. I was told to remember.. food and supplies will be the new money. Get out medical supplies now and have them in a place that they can be easily reached. Secure shelves and heavy objects. If they live in central Utah they might want to put their food storage above ground if possible or it will be under their house. Do what you can. I saw that 4 wheelers were really valuable and could get around on the broken roads. I was told to have two spares in your vehicle. and keep fix a flat with you. People will need a lot of leather gloves to pull people out and have tarps to cover damaged parts of homes to keep the rain off etc. Have evacuation kits ready and Lots of blankets and coats, it will be cold!!!!! portable heaters will work for some, but be careful of open flames there will be a lot of broken gas lines gas and propane follow the ground and it can explode from the vapors even if you don't think it is close by....Get bottled water now and keep with you in cars etc... have the car packed with first aid kits and ready to go at a moments notice. Learn how to shut off gas lines. Make large bandages now, the kind made of old sheets for slings etc.. if you have old crutches get them out and have them ready. You will need to have gas tanks filled and extra for generators. Have a meeting place planned for family before hand and do earthquake drills with the little ones. Get out of the areas as soon as you can and on your own. There will be mandatory evacuations... and the military will make you leave. don't ever go to those relocation centers. The ones that I saw were Camp Williams, Hill, micron. any large buildings. This was a national emergency and martial law will be in effect. The military will be the main help that comes. Sell anything you have that is useless, and use it to prepare now. Buy food. Prepare a safe place now. If you have a trailer or camper you may want to get it somewhere now, but the mountains will be cold and the snow will be bad later on. The damage did seem to be less in other states. Most of all remember to turn to the Lord. HE IS IN CHARGE! I know that all of what I have shared is hard. I have spent the last two days and nights really struggling with this. I feel it all as I see these things. I just want people to be prepared. There is so little time left. Please pray about these things. Then prepare. I do know that the Lord will bless those who have been obedient. WE need to trust HIM and Know that what ever happens we are in His hands! May the Lord bless you... Herendair

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Latest from Ranae Lee 9-8-08 Here is the full text of 2 more messages from Ranae Lee (as she wrote them complete with typos) about forthcoming earthquakes, etc in Utah the intermountain west as well as some events that will impact not only the US but the entire world. Message posted Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:42 pm

Nope.. I sure haven't. I left the church and was excommunicated 20 years ago. Sorry if I am repeating what everyone else takes as common knowledge. My Bad.

Ahh... ok.

Which rumor do you speak of?

Would the words spoken by John the Baptist in his preaching repentance be considered prophetic--words directly from God? We take letters (epistles) written from men in the past and adorn them now as scripture by putting these letters together in a book and calling them "the word of God". Were their words directly from God? Who is to say they are not? Yet we say they are. If the prophetic words come to pass.. do we give God the credit? Or do we pass it off as nothing more than that which any intuitive person who reads the newspapers and keeps up with the predictions of the experts would and could prophesy? Just another trick up the ole sleeve? I suppose.. that is where faith comes in. Those who believe... will.. and those who don't.. still won't. Thank the Lord that stoning with words is all people can do these days... and get away with it.

I agree.. except the prediction of a great catastrophe.

I can understand why they would not want this spread around the world. What happens if the catastrophe happened just in Salt Lake City? Say a major earthquake? Then the rest of the world might be worrying for nothing. But... it would show the world that an Apostle has the gift of being a seer. And maybe if this does happen.. it gives the world the idea that if God is displeased.. then the events that have transpired in the past both in the Bible and Book of Mormon.... shows that God is no respecter of persons. Even his chosen can be chastised.

So.. what do you think? LDS Apostle's impromptu warning circles the globe - Salt Lake Tribune Transcribed speech by ward member

Change! Face it. Most people realize that they would have to change. They have a pretty good idea by now who and what Mormons are and what they stand for. And most are afraid that if they listen to or accept the Gospel.. it brings a change in their life. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is a lifestyle. Those who know nothing about the Church.. but have stumbled on the Book of Mormon.. have read it.. and have been testified to by the Holy Ghost.. are at that point willing to do whatever it takes to get more! They "thirst" and "hunger" for it. Those who know what the lifestyle is.. and the change they have to make.. it is easier to bury ones head in the sand saying "if I don't accept it as truth.. I need not follow it." The Lord said.. Those who are my sheep.. hear my voice. You have to first agree to have a Shepard. To follow him. And do whatsoever he asks. And honestly.. I don't think most LDS could really do that right now. A new revelation from God that would cause change... uh.. well. We can't even obey the revelations we do have. Read the Book of Mormon. I have talked to LDS people who haven't read it in years. Just imagine.. (and don't say it can't happen) if the Lord gave a revelation to the Prophet.. That he was putting polygamy back into the picture. On a worldwide basis. The first thing most people would do is question the "logic" of the revelation. Then.. the next thing they would do is question whether or not the prophet had fallen or not. It would split this church! Geez.. most people can't even talk about polygamy! I think that in this day and age.. if the Prophet gave any sort of revelation from God.. most in the Church would question it. We love the idea that our prophet "talks" with God.. but all of sudden when he give the principals of the Church and reminds the Saints what God's position is on homosexuality and gay marriage.. some listen... some don't.. and some are outraged! One revelation to the Prophet would cause many people to leave the church. And really... I believe it would not matter what the revelation would be. All is well in Zion. Hey.. we have enough scripture to deal with.. we don't need anymore. Sounds like the warning Nephi gave wasn't necessarily proclaimed to the non LDS only. And yet God promised more IF.. IF we obeyed him. So.. when was the last revelation given? I can't blame the Prophet.. he is just the receiver. So... even for us... Change is a scary word. So if we can't accept it.. why do we expect others would want to either?

I think the people who probably live the word of wisdom the best.. and they are not Mormon.. are the Amerindians. I have always admired their love for mother earth. They took what they needed... nothing more.. and did not waste. We white people had to be reminded from God what they already knew and lived.

Think of the things that today.. we (as a church) are embarrassed about... and really don't like talking about... especially to non-members. And sometimes.. even among ourselves. Becoming Gods Polygamy Blacks and the priesthood Statements of past prophets How the Book of Mormon was translated I just find that we as a people are not as "peculiar" as we once use to be. Notice our fight with the Christian community to be "accepted" as a Christian? And they will accept us.. if maybe we change this one thing.. or agree with them about this or that. Just look at the RLDS. They have changed their stance on what the Godhead is. They now believe in the trinity... and they are not putting their faith so much in the Book of Mormon anymore. Overtime... things slowly change. The membership of the church has problems with determining if gays should be married or not. Seems our conformity to the ways of the world seem to be ever more popular. Use to be a time when the members of the church were a little less intolerant of wickedness. After all.. being intolerant today seems to have changed to be a bad thing. Yet the Lord can still say today: THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME! How intolerant is that?

I think this is one interesting point. I believe the sacrament was part of a meal. I read an interesting take: And speaking of the sacrament.. I think it is very important to note here: Just some 'food for thought'.

Oh.. I quite agree. I can easily imagine a huge asteroid or comet hitting down in the middle of the ocean causing quite a ruckus (to put it mildly). That would be outside of Earth Physical Laws. Or maybe a Planet whose path comes so close to earth as to cause "unearthly" occurrences. As the Prophet Joseph Smith stated: "There will be wars and rumors of wars, signs in the heavens above and on the earth beneath, the sun turned into darkness and the moon to blood, earthquakes in divers places, the seas heaving beyond their bounds; then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven. But what will the world do? They will say it is a PLANET, A COMET, etc." Just gives one "stuff" to think about when putting the pieces of the puzzle together. Of course.. non of this is a "need to know" to be saved or exalted.

Yes.. I can see that. I said "It's not" in response to your question: Could not the Word of Wisdom be considered a subtext of the Articles of Faith in your church? In otherwords.. the Word of Wisdom 'is not' a subtext of the Articles of Faith in my church. The Word of Wisdom was a revelation from God... The Articles of Faith are a statement from man. :)

It's not.

Receive what?

I guess one would have to define the word defiled. And what it means to be defiled... especially in the days of Christ. To say that one was defiled by what went in the mouth... the Lord argued and said that it is what comes out of the mouth that defiles a man. So he felt strong enough about it to counter their worries about clean hands. Especially when they were teaching the opposite about the law which was written about honoring ones father and mother. What amazes me is that your own additions to the Article of Faith states: We have chosen to abstain from foods forbidden by the Lord since the beginning of creation and feel it is best to partake of meat only in times of winter and famine, but each man must judge for himself and his family.

I think that we have been given scripture not only to teach us about who we are and where we are going.. but the pitfalls of getting there. The bible teaches us... over and over and over and over again... man became righteous.. man became wicked.. man became righteous... man became wicked. The Book of Mormon shows us over and over and over again how the righteous built up a church.. and over time.. the people became wicked.. and then a new prophet... and built a church unto righteousness... and then the people become wicked... and Christ appears... and they are righteous.. and over time.. become wicked again. What is this wicked? Does it mean they turned to sin? Was it that they all turned to murder and rape? Or could it be that they just didn't care about marriage anymore? They didn't pray as often? they started caring more about themselves than others?.. accepted the ways of the world over the ways of God? As they did this.. and God pulled his spirit from them... and gave no more revelation.. they then converted to the ways and precepts of man... and not God. People.. what has happened to the "saints" in all dispensations... can happen to us! It is a warning! If we as a people don't get it together.. he will remove his spirit from us and find someone who will! He is no respecter of persons. Just because you are LDS does not mean you are choosing the right. If you would have asked any of the saints in the Book of Mormon times if they thought God would remove his spirit from them... I am sure they would have said NO. Joseph Smith wrote: "Now brother Orson, if this church which is essaying to be the Church of Christ will not help us, when they can do it without sacrifice, with those blessings which God has bestowed upon them. I prophesy-I speak the truth, I lie not - God shall take away their talent and give it to those who have no talent, and shall prevent them from ever obtaining a place of refuge ... ." (DHC 2:48) Why did Brigham Young say, "Brethren, this church will be led on to the very brink of hell by the leaders of this people." (Attested to by Joshua Jones, 1861, Provo Bowery) Why did John Taylor say, "The church will go into bondage both temporally and spiritually and in that day the One Mighty and Strong spoken of in the 85th Section of the Doctrine and Covenants would come." A LEAF IN REVIEW Page 235. Again why did the Lord say, "Beware of pride lest ye become as the Nephites of old". (D&C 38:39) It is funny... but not really... that I had left the church for 20 years. I decided to get my life back together and come back. And what I could not believe is that NOTHING changed. NOTHING! We are being taught the same things over and over again. Why? Are we not getting it? Are we not doing as we should? If the Lord gives everything to us line upon line.. precept upon precept.. what new line or precept has he given us? None that I can tell... which tells me that we must not be getting it because he is not adding anything new to these lines or precepts... and all we are doing is continually going over the old ones. It scares me and reminds me of Nephi's words: "And others he will pacify, and lead them away in to carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion, yea, Zion prospereth, all is well - and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell ... . Wo unto him that is at ease in Zion! Wo be unto him that crieth All is well! This is how the Nephite Nations fell. Don't think it can't happen to us!

I don't believe there is a right or wrong to it. It is just moving forward. We have been told that our reaching the celestial kingdom and being given crowns and such.. adds to the Father and his glory. So it is obvious that things continue to change. The more of us that reach it.. continues to add unto him. And as we do it... and our prodigy grows.. it will then add unto us.. which of course.. adds unto him. So evolutionary.. yes.. I suppose.. as it does change or evolve. Reincarnation.. I suppose you are saying that we change into what we want to become.. then yes... there is a process to do that. I mean esentially are we not told we came from there to here and then going back there to be different? Is that not reincarnation?

We are speaking about a revelation that was given to John concerning the future and Armageddon... not about something in the past. This revelation tells of what will happen. Just to assume that because for most of the history of earth that the magnitude of the storms was a level 1 to 5.. does not mean there is not one that could be rated a 50. The revelation just says it will happen! So either we believe it... or we don't. I think the flood of the world at the time for Noah is a prime example of the way it can be as opposed to the way it is. It never happened before... and it never happened again. So I think you would say that this is NOT the way God normally works.

The existence of intelligence has always been.. and will always be. What the progression is of each intelligence is of an individual matter. There are many children that are "born" at the same time and put into the same schools.. and yet some are just further ahead than others. Those that are given "stimulation" advance much quicker. To have a "vehicle" (spirit body) for our intelligence to reside in is one of the things that God gave us. There was also the fact that in doing so.. he and others "tutor" us. As we gain in knowledge.. we also gain in power and glory. As we gain in power and glory.. it "adds" unto the Father in his power and glory. So though our "vehicles" might change over the course of eternity.. our intelligence remains and grows until we become "perfect" like our Father which is in Heaven is perfect. Then the ability to change form is not what is important. But to share what we learn with others is what God does by "bringing to pass the immortality and eternal life of man." And that is the role of being God.. is then to also do the same to those intelligences that are out there. The hardest thing for man to comprehend is this thing called "time". It does not exist as we know it so the concept that there are still intelligences out there that have not developed after all this "time"... is hard to comprehend.

Ok.. I stand corrected. God does not have that power or ability... my bad.

Wow.. so the translation was correct? is that what you are saying? That it should continue to be called "earthquakes" rather than "Whirlwinds"? I have yet to see a earthquake cause great winds enough to actually remove water from the oceans and put it into orbit around the earth. Kinda like the rings of Saturn. Imagine the power of the winds to be able to do that. That is what I would call a Whirlwind! :-)