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A flipp'n idiot because he doesn't agree with you on this? Now that is just silly.

Is it no wonder? Terri was starved and dehydrated to death. I would think that anyone of us who was tortured the way she was would have lost some mass to our brains along with other organs in the body. I know that I am a lone soldier on this message board about this but I do not believe that Michael¡Çs motives were pure as he and his attorney make him out to be. Not that it matters, but I also believe that Michael belongs in the same category as some other high profile cases i.e. O.J. Simpson and Michael Jackson. I am happy that Terri is no longer suffering at the hands of her monster of a ¡Èhusband¡É You don¡Çt have to dispute this, these are my feelings and because they are my feelings it is true for me. May Terri rest in peace. Thanks. Strawberry, You ought to examine your reasoning process. Somehow you equate a legal guardian exercising the rights and responsibilities legally and morally granted to him with a double murderer. That's lugumbios. You don¡Çt have to dispute this, these are my feelings and because they are my feelings it is true for me. I am entitled to my own opinion period. Why is it that you have not piped up in response of one of my posts since that last Terri Shiavo thread? You know how strongly I feel about this yet you seem to rejoice in being an ***********. Of course I don't have to dispute your post nor did you need to have responded to my last post but if we all took that attitude, then there wouild be no point to having our little discussion board. I expect that people will challenge by thinking when I post. That is the reason I participate here. Just because you have feelings, that does not make them true Strawberry. For you to compare someone acting in what appears to be good faith, working his way through the legal system and acting in full accord with the law... to compare such a person to a double murderer like OJ is absurd, irrational and inappropriate and decidely UNtrue. Then to call me a ********** (whatever that is) because I pointed it out is silly. Snowy, Let me explain this to you again. When I posted what I did I was expressing MY feelings which ring TRUE for ME. I am not trying to convince you or anyone else to sway your thinking in my direction. It was made apparent that I stood alone in my feelings about this several months ago. My comparison to OJ was that he also (my belief alone) got away with the murder of his wife... going a bit deeper, the courts allowed that to happen as well. Unfortunately, there is not always Justice in our Justice system.

I don't believe a man on the internet can diagnose her friend as being possessed by demons.In addition to prayer anyone will benefit from being exposed to places where they can feel the spirit of our Savior. Take her to church with you, or to EFY or Youth Conference or to the temple grounds. Share your testimony with her and be a true friend to her. If she is doing things to hurt herself then she also needs to seek professional help.

You mean it isn't? I LuvWBroadway17, I agree with Outshined that you should not subject your friend to such an idea. I have watched something like evils spirits being cast out of a person on 20/20 or another program like that and it has a bit over the top to say the least. Do your parents know that you are chatting with a man who believes he can do this? I have a daughter who is almost 16 (in 31 days and counting ) and if she were chatting with someone like that I would be very concerned. Please don't meet with this man for any reason.

Is it no wonder? Terri was starved and dehydrated to death. I would think that anyone of us who was tortured the way she was would have lost some mass to our brains along with other organs in the body. I know that I am a lone soldier on this message board about this but I do not believe that Michael¡Çs motives were pure as he and his attorney make him out to be. Not that it matters, but I also believe that Michael belongs in the same category as some other high profile cases i.e. O.J. Simpson and Michael Jackson. I am happy that Terri is no longer suffering at the hands of her monster of a ¡Èhusband¡É You don¡Çt have to dispute this, these are my feelings and because they are my feelings it is true for me. May Terri rest in peace. Thanks. Strawberry, You ought to examine your reasoning process. Somehow you equate a legal guardian exercising the rights and responsibilities legally and morally granted to him with a double murderer. That's lugumbios. You don¡Çt have to dispute this, these are my feelings and because they are my feelings it is true for me. I am entitled to my own opinion period. Why is it that you have not piped up in response of one of my posts since that last Terri Shiavo thread? You know how strongly I feel about this yet you seem to rejoice in being an ***********.

Yes it was.

"The autopsy found no evidence she had an eating disorder or that strangulation or other trauma led to her collapse."Apparently no eating disorder either. They can't tell us why she collapsed.

Is it no wonder? Terri was starved and dehydrated to death. I would think that anyone of us who was tortured the way she was would have lost some mass to our brains along with other organs in the body. I know that I am a lone soldier on this message board about this but I do not believe that Michael¡Çs motives were pure as he and his attorney make him out to be. Not that it matters, but I also believe that Michael belongs in the same category as some other high profile cases i.e. O.J. Simpson and Michael Jackson. I am happy that Terri is no longer suffering at the hands of her monster of a ¡Èhusband¡É You don¡Çt have to dispute this, these are my feelings and because they are my feelings it is true for me. May Terri rest in peace. Thanks.

Outshined, You may be right but to allow a traditional marriage following a temple marriage is a change in what the policies have been. This is something that Maureen brought to our attention in the "Roll Call" thread. Her post was the first time I had heard that the First Presidency had mad this change. I did a search and the above post is what I found. The link above didn't work but I think that it came from the February Ensign 2005. Maureen, Please don't feel that I am attacking you. I was just surprised by your information.

This is from another post where this question came up. Instead of hijacking that post I started another one. Here is some information I found. Questions and Answers Question “Questions and Answers,” Ensign, Feb. 2005, 32 Several of my family members are not LDS, and they feel hurt because they cannot attend my temple wedding. What can I do to help them understand and to ease hurt feelings? [Answers] A temple wedding can easily arouse parents’ fears of losing their child to a marriage and a church they don’t understand. Once I realized this, I decided to spend extra time with my family and to express how much I loved and appreciated them. I found that as I increased my efforts in this direction, the conflicts disappeared. Lisa Elieson, Coppell First Ward, Lewisville Texas Stake You might consider writing your feelings about temple marriage in a letter to your family members. A letter will give them a chance to think about what you have said without feeling a need to respond immediately. Remember you are doing the right thing. The pain and heartache you may feel are momentary. It may not seem so now, but this too shall pass. Amy Milligan, Jamestown Ward, Newport News Virginia Stake My husband and I found that our family members had fewer hurt feelings about our temple wedding because we did not wait until we were engaged to explain that they would not be able to attend. Both of us had taken the time to explain the situation to loved ones on our own. Some learned about temple marriage from us even before we started dating. Summer Thorp, London Fourth Ward, London Ontario Stake As a former temple president, I have the following suggestions: 1. Help your parents understand that they will be given much recognition, respect, and appreciation at the wedding reception. 2. Help your parents feel complimented for teaching you to live an honorable life. 3. Share your concerns during the temple interviews with your bishop and stake president. These leaders can be helpful in relieving concerns and arriving at appropriate solutions. 4. Discuss your concerns with the sealer. In the Las Vegas Nevada Temple it is quite convenient for the sealer to come to the foyer and meet the parents. This gives the sealer the opportunity to compliment the parents and express his feelings about their son or daughter. Samuel M. Davis, Morning Sun Ward, Las Vegas Nevada Sunrise Stake I made a promise to myself that I would involve my family members as much as I could in my wedding plans. My stepmother helped me pick out my jewelry and helped with the flowers, and she and my father drove me to the temple and helped with photographs. I wrote letters to them frequently throughout my engagement and after the wedding, thanking them for their help and support. While the flowers, jewelry, and photographs were not of eternal significance in themselves, they helped my family feel involved. Lisa Ashby, Cherry Hill Ward, Flagstaff Arizona Stake My fiancé and soon-to-be in-laws helped me come up with a possible solution to involve my parents and sister. We all met together for dinner one evening so that our families could get to know each other. After dinner we took my parents to the visitors’ center near the temple. Inside were pictures of different temples and temple rooms. We talked about what it meant to be sealed. We also talked about the other purposes of the temple and why we attend. After that, we went into the foyer of the temple and showed them where they could wait while our marriage took place. Not only did this night help my family understand the significance of our choice to be married in the temple, but it helped them to be comfortable in surroundings that were foreign to them. As the day of our wedding grew closer, I could see that the hearts of my family members were softening. Heidi Beth Ryan, Ironwood Ward, Queen Creek Arizona Stake To the extent possible, provide some ideas about the sealing ceremony. Someone expecting a ceremony in a large cathedral or hall may be quite surprised to learn that only a few people are typically present for a sealing ceremony. You might show your family a picture of a sealing room from the booklet Temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (1999; item no. 31138000, U.S. $2.00). If your relatives will not be physically present to greet you afterward, be sure to speak with them shortly before the ceremony. With the excitement of the ceremony and picture taking, you may not remember to give your family a telephone call. I recall a tender phone conversation with my mother just before I left for the temple, which I believe helped soothe her hurt feelings. Brad MacDonald, Lynnfield Ward, Cambridge Massachusetts Stake In some countries a couple is required by law to be married civilly in addition to being married in the temple. That is not the case in the United States, but my fiancée and I considered having a civil ceremony after the temple sealing so that all of our family members could participate. We discarded that idea, however, because we felt we would not have been showing sufficient reverence for the sacred temple ceremony. With the guidance of our bishop, we planned a simple family gathering that took place after the temple wedding, at the start of the reception. It was in no way a second wedding ceremony and did not contain any semblance of vows. We only expressed our feelings of love for each other and how our rings represented the eternal nature of marriage. We also arranged for our parents to speak and welcome the new spouses into each family. Afterward the bishop spoke on our beliefs about temple marriage and eternal families. This gave our family members a sense of being part of the wedding. Donald Bigelow, Greenfield Park Ward, Mesa Arizona Kimball East Stake My fiancé and I found out the approximate time when we would be leaving the temple after the sealing and asked our family to arrive at the temple shortly before. We arranged for a good friend who was a Church member to greet our family outside the temple and wait with them in the waiting room. They seemed to feel that they were more a part of our wedding by being at the temple. Having them arrive in time to greet my husband and me kept the focus on what they could do instead of on what they were missing. Cheryl Anne Merrick, Mapleton Seventh Ward, Mapleton Utah North Stake I took strength from the scripture found in Mark 10:29–30: “There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s, But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.” The day of our marriage was bittersweet. The temple experience was magnificent. Although the simple ring ceremony did little to appease my parents, my husband and I decided to focus on the temple experience and hope that time would heal the wounds. I’m happy to say that the passage of time and our having children helped soften my parents’ hearts. They have come to see that I have a wonderful husband and family, and I continue to hope that one day they will recognize the positive influence of the temple in our lives. Adrienne Vanderkooi, Oshawa First Ward, Oshawa Ontario Stake When my husband and I were planning our temple wedding, we did not feel right about inviting a large number of people to attend the sealing when both of our immediate families would be waiting outside. When our wedding day came, my husband and I went to the temple to be sealed with only a few others in attendance. We felt blessed that it was simple and sweet and that our families did not feel so excluded. Mary Ann Olsen, Fox Pointe Ward, Kaysville Utah Haight Creek Stake There were many things that were helpful as I planned my wedding. First, the principles of prayer and fasting were reaffirmed in my heart. I asked my fiancé’s family to participate in fasts for my family so that they might come to understand why a temple marriage was important to us. I also did my own personal fasts. Second, every time I attended the temple, I put the names of my family members on the prayer roll. Third, I read my patriarchal blessing often. Most of all, I relied on my faith and testimony of the Savior Jesus Christ. It is through Him that I was able to have the strength to do what was right. I knew I needed to follow Heavenly Father’s commandments, and He provided the way. In the end, my parents’ hearts were softened. Through the years, they have come to better understand why the eternal marriage covenant is so important to me. Renee Senger-Layton, Oquirrh Seventh Ward, West Jordan Utah Oquirrh Stake Be Understanding “The young couple must understand that their parents may have looked forward to the wedding day during the entire lives of the bride and groom. Their desire to attend the wedding, and their resentment when they cannot, is a sign of parental attachment. It is not to be resented by the young couple. It is to be understood and planned for carefully as a part of the wedding.” President Boyd K. Packer, Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, The Holy Temple (1980), 66–67. the link http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll?f=t...r%3Bfield%3ARef

SF - The couple wanted a ring ceremony because of family and friends that were not church members and the Bishop encouraged it also. The mother of the bride wasn't sure if the ring ceremony was a good idea; so my friend (mother of the groom) sent the bride (to show her mother) some "first presidency" information regarding how they have told members to do everything they can to include and be gracious to non-members. It seems that it might be just the older generation that would have a problem with change. If Bishops and SP's and such are all for this new evolving style, then the future is looking good for LDS members and their non-member families. M. Maureen, That is great. Isn't it interesting how new generations are able to change things within the church. The words that they told me 23 years ago are "We (the church I guess) consider any duplication following a temple ceremony to be a mockery to what occurred in the temple." You can bet that at the young age of 21 I did not contest that. I can still remember the hurt that I caused my parents when I told them that I couldn't have both. I also had a brother who was 14 at the time who could not witness my marriage along with more friends and family. I only had two grandmas that were able to be in the temple with me. The Wedding sounded so wonderful and I am happy that the bride and groom got to share something very important with those whom they love. I guess they did the ring ceremony at the reception? Did the father walk the bride to the groom? Can you get a copy of what the first presidency has said concerning this? I would like to know for my children. I will also try to find it.

You are so right bg2.....that's why I keep SF around in my life :) Ahhh Shucks... You know what they say "It takes one to know one."

Traveler,I hope the new job is good one. I hope that you are okay and that your surgery goes well. :)

Maureen,That's really nice that they were allowed to have a Ring Ceremony after a Temple Wedding. When I got married over 23 years ago they told me that it was frowned upon in the church. My parents were less active and so they never even saw me get married.

It's nice that you will stay and post here. When I first came to LDS Talk I was "shocked" to see the variety in the cast of characters. It has been toned down a fair bit since then.

Begood2 Boy you sure work a lot! What type of work do you do? You must have a large garden to plant all of that. I have a "garden area" where I plant tomatoes, cucumbers. cantolope, and pumpkins. Where do you live to get that kind of weather? Does Insurance cover that kind of damage where you live?

Sethus, Are you doing much traveling?

Winnie, that all sounds wonderful to me! You are busy doing many great things.

Welcome! We used to do this on Thursday nights and it was fun! I am not sure if we still have access to the chat room that is "pinned" at the top of the page or not. Anyway you should post we need some new things to discuss. Maybe we have just grown tired of each other and all of our own stories and that is the reason why thinks have slowed down. Tell us about your self.

Heather that is awesome! I am in the process of having that done by my neighbor. We have done plenty of video recordings but alas the only copies we have are on the original film for the camera. Will you be adding music and doing editing etc?

Yep, as my Asian neighbors say, that's good eatin!!!! aaaah... JD, maybe you should move?

It has been brought to our attention that things have slowed down a bit here at LDS Talk. Is everyone doing okay? Are you planting gardens? Swimming in flood waters? Going on Vacations? Or just mad? It would be nice if you stroll by to drop a quick note to say "Hi, I am ALIVE!" BTW, I am all but one of the above questions.

This kind of sounds like a game I had my young women play. We sat in a circle and I had each of the girls say something nice about the girl to their right. After they did that I made them switch directions. It really did a lot for those girls. One of the girls who had been very quiet became more involved and became good friends with several of the girls in the class. I think that many times we over look the important element of self esteem. Nobody is as hard on us as we are on ourselves. Hearing things from our own peers really enlightens us to how we present ourselves. How can we ever find the light within if we don't even see the flicker?

Oh Winnie, I love to read your stories! I could just see the operators and the medics coming to your aide. :) I think that most people who are afraid of rides start with something like a carousal. You were very brave to start with the BIG ones. Fear is a very interesting thing. Sometimes it keeps us from harm but sometimes it disables us to a fault. I think that you are great for facing your fears. Several years ago a friend recommended me a book called "Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway". I believe that this is what you did! Thanks for sharing your stories with us. You a very Special Winnie. :)

Slow? That's an understatement. What happened? It's like a Ghost Town here.