StrawberryFields

CUTE! I Love Puppies! :)

I am so sorry.

Where you going?

Franken,What field of work are you going into?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY! 1 member is celebrating his/her birthday today >Heavenly_Homemaker (33) I WOULD LOVE TO BE ONLY 33 AGAIN! I HOPE YOUR DAY IS PERFECT.

No I haven't. Who is he?

I just stumbled over this and wondered if you have heard about Time Out For Women or TOFW. http://deseretbook.com/time-out/schedule

This is where I believe this problem started and you were not there John. Like I said earlier in this post, I know just enough about USN to know that he a little "out there" at times. His statements were just stupid to me until he personally attacked members of our board. Lindy and I are great friends and at that time I notified her to look into USN she did with a PM as she indicated in her message in the first post. I then recognized USN to be "TROLLING" and suggested that we IGNORE him which I took my own advice and "checked out" of the "debates". It was not until yesterday when I was talking with Lindy on MSN, that I found the second post below. Just a Question http://www.ldstalk.com/forums/index.php?ac...t=ST&f=7&t=4732 Just another question http://www.ldstalk.com/forums/index.php?ac...t=ST&f=7&t=4749 John, not every member reads every post. The above post was very important to you, important in the fact that you felt deserted by your friends and fellow member who want the same thing as you want. I also have important posts which mean a lot to me; those posts include information about my son. There have been many times that I have posted information that was important to me to only have a handful of people reply. Have I been hurt to not feel supported by others who I thought should pipe in... maybe a little but that is just life. I even posted something about Nick being alive being a Miracle at a very fragile time for me only to be shot down by some. You are right John; this is not our china shop. This is a message board open to anyone who wants to drop by. Some read, some post and some just choose not to support us at times, but that has to be okay or we open up ourselves to hurt.

Dear John, I tried to locate the post in question but the one I thought it was is one where you didn't post at all. The post I looked at was very rude but I believe this particular poster to have some mental difficulties so I went easy on him. B) John, I am not sure what you are looking for but it feels like you are leaving us with an ultimatum. It seems that this rude poster might have hurt you and that you feel that if we don't choose your side that he has won? A winner is a winner no matter what is flung at you. John for what it is worth you are a winner in my book. Not to bad for a codependent doormat eh? To be honest, I have a life outside of this message board. What some rude poster decides to say does not affect the outcome of my life. Sorry I guess I was out of touch when the post in question happened.

There have been some good advice offered but I would add two ideas. First: You need to be concerned more with others and less with yourself. If you had climbed the mountain with some young men in your ward you would have learned that the view changes when the climb involves service. Second: You need to discover covenant. Not just commitment - because covenant is way beyond commitment. Your word must be as solid as the mountain. Do not set out on a quest to see what will happen, become your quest. For example do not try a couple things to determine if G-d will give you something for doing it. Take on the greatest and most important task you know - put your life into it, love it, rejoice in it and when G-d blesses you thank him with all your heart. Strange as it may seem good things happen (out of the worse things) along the way of a good traveler The Traveler Traveler, Was that to me or Jackvance?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a beautiful post and thank you for sharing it with us. I believe in opposition in all things. I think you are doing fine Jack Vance; you have a hunger now for that which is good. I am a firm believer in the saying that goes..."When the student is ready, the teacher will appear". You my friend are ready and that is why you have these perfect opportunities come into your life like climbing the mountain and building a small alter. All I have to say is to go with it, and allow your faith to build just like what you did with the stones. What you describe about falling away has happened to me a couple of times. I grew up on a less active home and was dropped off at church, not taken. I set some goals at a young age that lodged deep into my heart. I looked around at others at church, and I saw things which I wanted in my family when I grew up. I must say that I have made some very good choices and there are some things which are just out of my control. I still stumble today as I find myself being tested. I'm many ways I think of myself as a convert to the church because the gospel has not been something I was handed on a silver platter, I have had to work hard at keeping the faith. I know that discouragement is one of my worst enemies and when I fall it is usually discouragement that has taken me down. I would encourage you to keep a journal of your feelings and refer back to this magical time. The gospel is a journey to me and as I have grown it the gospel I can fall back on those magical times when I need strength.

USN, It's still a tie as far as votes go...Like you care

It's your DAY! I hope it is a GREAT ONE! 2 members are celebrating their birthday today >estump (28) >Kevinb93 (30)

Imade a mistake the book did not come out in 2003. It came out in October 2004 TWO Years after "Raising the Bar". I think you could be right Jason (Happy to see that you lost "The EX") about the missionaries needing more. This topic has been very difficult for me because just as my oldest son was preparing to get things going for a mission, they came out with "The New Standard" He turned 19 in May 2003 and he felt inadequate to teach others without a manual. I was very angry as I expressed my feelings on this board. He has done fine marrying a wonderful girl in the temple in June of 2004. I really feel that a mission is a wonderful thing and that my son would have benefited from serving a mission. I wonder how many others boys chose not to serve based in the fact of this New Standard. I got to tell you it was all I could do to sit there on Sunday without saying a word. The teacher said something like "It's so nice to see that when they Raised the Bar they did not leave the missionaries without any resources". It would have been much better to phase out the old discussions and replaced them with this new manual.

because the reward is so great. Spencer Very Well said Spencer I agree. :)

Yesterday in RS I learned more of the resource material they have now for missionaries, it is called "Preach My Gospel". http://www.byubookstore.com/ePOS/this_cate...l.html&design=1 (This book can also be purchased at the church dist. center for 6.00) If I remember right, it was the October Conference of 2002 when they set a new standard for missionaries. They decided that it was "Time To Raise The Bar". My understanding was that new missionaries were required to have recently read The BOM and have a testimony in it. I also believed that they were to only use the scriptures and their knowledge of them to teach investigators. Apparently this new book was introduced about the time of the October conference in 2003. Does anyone know what happened? Why did they come out with a new manual for the missionaries? Was the bar set too high? Why did they wait for a year after "Raising the bar?" What about the boys who chose not to go on a mission from the year of 2002-2003 because they felt inadequate without any manual? Although this book is very well done, it does not actually have discussions. It is a resource that we can all use as a foundation to begin with, when teaching someone the gospel.

The latest and greatest news is that he will be graduating with his class on June 9th, 2005.

Traveler,You said "Teaching G-dly virtue, chastity and compassion has proven to be of little consequence. Those that love virtue still love virtue and those that hate virtue and chastity in society hate it the more." I believe that there are many who read but rarely post. Are you saying that boards like this one are not of value? I don't know the situation of what occurred with John Doe but it was most likely only one person who had a "problem" with him. Someone being rude does not change that which is good. I believe that when rules are set that they should be upheld or consequences follow. There are some who would like nothing more then to destroy what we have her simply because they can. Those who attempt such a thing should be ignored and not responded to. If we are to try and fight against such a spirit of discontentment over the internet it only fuels their unrighteous fire. Ignore, Ignore, Ignore...

I think that you should STAY because you are SUPER COOL and REALLY HOT!

Here is another one. KISS Keep It Simple Sweetie! It comes from my training as a decorator.

This is all so interesting to me to learn of these things about all of you. We still have not heard from some of our members. Is it cold in here and have the ducks begun to fly South? I am sure there are others who we can smoke out or who have to said anything yet. Thanks to all who have, this has been rewarding to me. :)

Wow Setheus, this is really deep. Why was Vittorio punished? You said he was troubled and had trials then he becomes what he hates most...what is that? I Love the story of the elderly woman, but the black wings? I believe I have "heard" you say this before but I can't imagine why you would "request" black wings. Maybe it is that the black wings keep you "grounded"? I believe that what you are saying here is very symbolic.

Hey TS,I understand what you are saying and I especially think that this part is good... "ANd I thought I would share this for the benefit of non-mormons, because I believe it is a better way to take than the anti-mormon road." Neutral is good... Sometimes I just call it being numb.

Pushka which link? The only link that I saw was a link to another post on talk where it said how to post a picture. What does piccy mean? Sorry to confuse you Strawberry...Piccy is just my 'slang' word for picture...and if you click on the link to the other post, and scroll down a little you should see a great big picture of my cat Pushka, which is the one I've been using as my avatar. Please let me know if you finally see Pushka's picture :) Pushka, Yes, I finally saw you black kitty briefly yesterday before the power went out. As a matter of fact, I also saw Jendas. Today they are gone, at least for me they are.