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No, I will read it, but it would be helpful if you gave me something specific to read and look for.

Yes, I know the story behind the BOM and I have a copy!

The gospel is the good news which is very clear to me. What part of it needed clarification to you? This will be the third time I am coming to you. “By the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established.”[a] 2 I have told you before, and foretell as if I were present the second time, and now being absent I write to those who have sinned before, and to all the rest, that if I come again I will not spare— 3 since you seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, who is not weak toward you, but mighty in you. 4 For though He was crucified in weakness, yet He lives by the power of God. For we also are weak in Him, but we shall live with Him by the power of God toward you. 5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified. 6 But I trust that you will know that we are not disqualified.

We have the Old Testament and the New Testament which contains the gospel in it.; Now, we have another testament. I am sorry, it is not sitting right with me. Does the other testament (witness) have the gospel in it? What would the Apostle Paul say?

Is another testament another way of saying another gospel? 2 Corn. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost.... I do not believe I am lost Gal. 48-1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.48-1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 48-1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. It is mentioned more than once for a reason. Where are you going with this statement of yours? Where ever it is, I fear to thread!

Here is the quote and the link: 1. [back] Brigham Young, "Intelligence, Etc.," Journal of Discourses, reported by G.D. Watt, J.V. Long and others, (Oct. 9, 1859), Vol. 7 (London: Latter-day Saint's Book Depot, 1860), 289–289. off-site wiki Brigham clearly states that Joseph Smith is responsible for this dispensation only: "Joseph Smith holds the keys of this last dispensation, and is now engaged behind the vail in the great work of the last days...no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are...He holds the keys of that kingdom for the last dispensation..." (emphasis added) The God Makers/Cartoon - FAIRMormon

Please note that I have not attacked Carl's motives, sincerity or character. The things you (Carl62) accuse me of is the antithesis of my position. I am looking to build up people in Christ. Right now and from where I am standing, it looks like you are doing the tearing down.

It seems you are judging me. Look at Mat. 7, and while you at it take a look at these. IMHO, The Correctly translated Holy Bible has NO equal!1 CORINTHIANS46-3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? EPHESIANS 49-2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Acts 44-17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 44-7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? ISAIAH 23-66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

I have no problem with you or me using the KJV

Excuse me please my misunderstanding. BTW, Here is the link and quote you asked for: 1. [back] Brigham Young, "Intelligence, Etc.," Journal of Discourses, reported by G.D. Watt, J.V. Long and others, (Oct. 9, 1859), Vol. 7 (London: Latter-day Saint's Book Depot, 1860), 289–289. off-site wiki Brigham clearly states that Joseph Smith is responsible for this dispensation only: "Joseph Smith holds the keys of this last dispensation, and is now engaged behind the vail in the great work of the last days...no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are...He holds the keys of that kingdom for the last dispensation..." (emphasis added) The God Makers/Cartoon - FAIRMormon

I follow Jesus; He is not a false prophet to me.

Pam Post #64 Ztodd sent me the link: "No God beside me" - FAIRMormon

We are the temple of great importance to God.

Analysis of the KJVIs the King James Version the Only Bible that a Christian Should Read?

Sure let me find it. It is on this thread.

That is what i said in my group. We forsook all we had to the disciples in our group. I had thousands in the bank, a new car and many others stored up goods and relationship with my family. I left all to go into all the world to follow Christ by living in the street passing out literature witnessing every day staying with who ever would take us in. Warning and pleading with people to get right with God cause were living in the last days. With an end-prophet leading the way. My family forsook me for leaving them to follow Jesus. My brothers hated me. I did all that for a cult that professed to be end-time prophets. We would dress in sadd clothe and ashes with rods making a scene that would turn any head singing and playing songs on street corners doing anything and every thing to win a soul. We did this not for two years. I did it for 6 years before I realized I was deceived. My wife did it for 10. We were living out Acts literally. After all I went through, I have learned that my services for God in that cult couldn't match up to what others are giving for Christ across the globe today. If you think LDS are the only ones pouring out for God that is a delusion in itself alone?

You threading on my pearls. :taz:I will be careful for the next time.

I was sent a link from a member on the forum that said they do believe that, but Pam tells me you don't. So, I will have to take her word for it and check my reading :huh:comprehension. The last thing I wnt to do is believe something that is not true of you.

Thanks I am trying to clear up some misconceptions.

Talk is cheap but it is all we have on this forum

Thanks traveler:That was good. I agree. I guess you could have summed all you said with the Bible quote "Ye shall know them by their fruits" However, it is a bit more involved then you say still. We can go to certain communities or groups of people that are very loving and helpful toward each other. There you will find unity and people helping each other as if they were helping themselves. But there are groups doing this in the form of cults, people groups, tribes, sects of all sought that don't believe or know Jesus at all. So what good is unity without Truth? It benefits them for the here and now, but what about there eternal soul, what about the here after. I have seen JWs helping one another and being loving toward us, but they are a cult who doesn't know Jesus even though they profess to be Christians. I am sure you have had people cut down your belief in horrible ways. I have had it happen to me. Nasty things were said. Of course i didn't receive it, but I was still in deception. I thank God that I am out of the cult I was once part of, but they too had the type of fellowship you were speaking of. That is why people joined the group. My friend, we cannot appreciate God's Mercy until we have know the Devils justice.

I don't think the KJV is the best. It has its equal share of translational errors as most Bibles including the NIV. You say I "Hold the false hoods planted in the truth from some unscrupulous scribes.." Well, I am sure I have some misconceptions and error in certain areas. I think all faiths have a measure of that, but some of those errors make the difference between spiritual life and death and some don't, but I can tell you, that is not where my error lies! To know Jesus is to have eternal life. I know Him and want to make Him known!

Do Mormons believe they need the permission of Joseph Smith to enter the highest heaven?

Jesus is my Creator, my Everlasting Father, my Life, my Hope, my joy, Lover of my soul, my King my, Wonderful counselor, my Prince of Prince, my Savior, my Rock, the Door to my salvation, He is the Author and Finisher of my faith, my God, The Truth The Life and The Way, The One who justifies me and presents me blameless on the day of judgment; My healer and the forgiver of my sins and in Him I am totally complete, acceptable and pleasing in God’s sight. I hope that answers your question.

You are all invited. It is on me