Backroads

Hola! I adore your screen name!

Hola! Love your greeting style.

Mmm... coffee. Love that smell. Welcome!

I said hello to you on another thread, but hello again!

I think it's easier to speak to people I've never met. Less awkward, no expectations. Eh, don't be skeptical about what your ex says. There's nothing you can do for it. Not your problem.

Maybe something will have to change in church when people bring up things that disagree with currant thought. However, as was discussed on another thread, are fringe doctrine topics really things that should be discussed in church, or should they be discussed at other times. Are we really encouraging people to base their entire testimonies on things that really aren't doctrine? WHat I'm getting from your words is that you're saying we should waste church worship time discussing random doctrinal/historical events that have nothing to do with salvation just so a few people can feel better about it? There are so many other ways to fellowship than to attempt to make everything peachy keen for members. If they're having doubts on something, there isn't much we can do to affect their faith either way. If they have doubts on something or flat-out don't believe something, we should appeal to what they are willing to contribute to the church, not fix everything for them. And yes, I don't think any person has ever believed every single thing that has come out of a GA's mouth. We don't know for sure on anything. If there are doubts and questions, there are so many ways of finding possible answers and explanations rather than being the jerk in Gospel Doctrine class. And yes, I've seen them before. You go to church to worship because you have faith, not to get faith. If you don't have faith and are attending for other reasons, please do so and participate where you can for I truly encourage that. But don't pretend you have faith and don't expect others to fix it for you in class. But to be dishonest just so your family and friends will like you? Do family members really prefer someone to be pretending to be a Mormon or whatever other faith just to make the family happy? I would prefer someone who is honest with me, someone who will say "This is what I do believe, this is what I don't." And that sounds like a legitimate response. But if you really and truly did not believe one of the questions, would you still say yes? Would you encourage others to do the same and be dishonest with themselves and everyone around them just to make someone happy? When you say you'd rather be good than be the maverick, are you just keeping quiet while you are thinking nasty thoughts in your head about everything being said? I'm also not talking about living certain earthly commandments. I'm talking about beliefs. If you don't believe in what the temple does, then it's a lie just to go to the TR interview. I've heard of too many New Order Mormons happily admitting they lied their way through TR interviews just so they could see a child get married even though they didn't believe a single thing about the Church. To them, they think it's okay because they're in the church for family reasons. My other question is what is so wrong with the family that difference of religion threatens to tear the family apart? How is following a religion you don't believe solving that?

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Thanks for sharing this and welcome.

Amen! Hence my issue with censoring the word. Unless the word and its meaning and history and connotation are intelligently discussed, people are never going to learn when it's offensive and why it's offensive and everything involved. I say this from a teaching point of view.

I'm so picky about my veggie burgers. I love the idea, but I found i prefer the homemade patties.

Or is more noticed. Really, I just think it's stupid to say you believe one thing when you don't. I am fine with whoever attends church just as long as they're honest about their beliefs and reasons. My grandma recently went through the temple at the age of 82 after attending church for forty years simply for social reasons. We were all okay with it because she didn't like about it. According to those who call themself as such, it is Mormons who believe some to very little of church doctrines but stay in the Church for various reasons such as belief in some doctrines, family, social, opportunities to serve, etc. I'm fine with those who admit it, but not with those who lie about it. There's a recent thread about it... http://www.lds.net/forums/learn-about-mormon-church/36014-new-order-mormons.html

And this is a good point. Yet at the same time there are so many other ways to be around good influences. What drives me nuts is when it gets hypocritical, when people full-out lie about their beliefs just so the other Mormons think they're doing a good job. I appreciate and better understand the ones who are honest about what they believe. Why let people lie their way through a temple recommend interview just so everyone feels better about what they're doing? It's a legitimate term used by church members. I see. Thanks for sharing. I see those as legitimate reasons. Though again, I do have issues with people who aren't honest about what they're doing in the church.

Yet catering to their immaturity isn't going to change anything.

If words were so interchangeable, as the words in the discussion here, why would we bother with so many?

Welcome to the boards and welcome back to activity!

Considering vegetarian. I am pretty much literally in the "eat meat sparingly" category with the idea that if I had to go vegetarian, it wouldn't be a problem for me. However, I'm marrying into a ranching family, so I don't know if I could ever go full vegetarian without offending the in-laws.

So what kind of "proof" are we asking for when someone makes spiritual claims?

Yet I think it's a legitimate thought behind the question. I am not a huge fan of the total New Order Mormon thing and it bugs me when people want to fully participate in the church but still keep all their spiritual options open. I believe most of spirituality is personal, but I hate the idea of "picking and choosing" what you want. So my version of this same question is: Are you going back just for a bit of spirituality? Trying to find out how you believe and feel about the church? Looking for renewed full fellowship? For social reasons only? And I ask this in a most loving way, I promise you, just out of complete curiosity.

I guess my question is... how long in the past was this? How long in the past during a different time of life is "confess to the bishop" time?

Need? No. But at the same time, it might be nice to have someone to talk to about everything. Spiritual counsel, if you will.

My high school performed "To Kill a Mockingbird." That has the n word. I remember writing an article for the teen section of the paper about feelings on the use of the word...

I agree with Institute/seminary. I had teachers that always said we could ask whatever we wanted and they would do their best with their knowledge--though they always said it was just their understanding, which helped avoid the stereotype of the false doctrine-teaching CES teacher.

Oh! Okay, I understand now what you're saying and I completely agree. I think I said earlier that I love places like these where "fringe discussions" can be held. Kind of why I'm here. Apologies for the vicious attack.

I like FunkyTown's Possibility #3. It's realistic and believable in your case. You and your wife probably weren't meant for each other, and you both made some mistakes. Chin up. My fiance's first wife walked out of the marriage and temple covenents. Now he has me. You won't die alone.

And it's not unusual for it to be "just you". You have this idea of what you would like, which is not a bad thing at all. You may not be able to change how you feel, but I think you can have a happy and committed relationship.