Backroads

Amen! Hence my issue with censoring the word. Unless the word and its meaning and history and connotation are intelligently discussed, people are never going to learn when it's offensive and why it's offensive and everything involved. I say this from a teaching point of view.

I'm so picky about my veggie burgers. I love the idea, but I found i prefer the homemade patties.

Or is more noticed. Really, I just think it's stupid to say you believe one thing when you don't. I am fine with whoever attends church just as long as they're honest about their beliefs and reasons. My grandma recently went through the temple at the age of 82 after attending church for forty years simply for social reasons. We were all okay with it because she didn't like about it. According to those who call themself as such, it is Mormons who believe some to very little of church doctrines but stay in the Church for various reasons such as belief in some doctrines, family, social, opportunities to serve, etc. I'm fine with those who admit it, but not with those who lie about it. There's a recent thread about it... http://www.lds.net/forums/learn-about-mormon-church/36014-new-order-mormons.html

And this is a good point. Yet at the same time there are so many other ways to be around good influences. What drives me nuts is when it gets hypocritical, when people full-out lie about their beliefs just so the other Mormons think they're doing a good job. I appreciate and better understand the ones who are honest about what they believe. Why let people lie their way through a temple recommend interview just so everyone feels better about what they're doing? It's a legitimate term used by church members. I see. Thanks for sharing. I see those as legitimate reasons. Though again, I do have issues with people who aren't honest about what they're doing in the church.

Yet catering to their immaturity isn't going to change anything.

If words were so interchangeable, as the words in the discussion here, why would we bother with so many?

Welcome to the boards and welcome back to activity!

Considering vegetarian. I am pretty much literally in the "eat meat sparingly" category with the idea that if I had to go vegetarian, it wouldn't be a problem for me. However, I'm marrying into a ranching family, so I don't know if I could ever go full vegetarian without offending the in-laws.

So what kind of "proof" are we asking for when someone makes spiritual claims?

Yet I think it's a legitimate thought behind the question. I am not a huge fan of the total New Order Mormon thing and it bugs me when people want to fully participate in the church but still keep all their spiritual options open. I believe most of spirituality is personal, but I hate the idea of "picking and choosing" what you want. So my version of this same question is: Are you going back just for a bit of spirituality? Trying to find out how you believe and feel about the church? Looking for renewed full fellowship? For social reasons only? And I ask this in a most loving way, I promise you, just out of complete curiosity.

I guess my question is... how long in the past was this? How long in the past during a different time of life is "confess to the bishop" time?

Need? No. But at the same time, it might be nice to have someone to talk to about everything. Spiritual counsel, if you will.

My high school performed "To Kill a Mockingbird." That has the n word. I remember writing an article for the teen section of the paper about feelings on the use of the word...

I agree with Institute/seminary. I had teachers that always said we could ask whatever we wanted and they would do their best with their knowledge--though they always said it was just their understanding, which helped avoid the stereotype of the false doctrine-teaching CES teacher.

Oh! Okay, I understand now what you're saying and I completely agree. I think I said earlier that I love places like these where "fringe discussions" can be held. Kind of why I'm here. Apologies for the vicious attack.

I like FunkyTown's Possibility #3. It's realistic and believable in your case. You and your wife probably weren't meant for each other, and you both made some mistakes. Chin up. My fiance's first wife walked out of the marriage and temple covenents. Now he has me. You won't die alone.

And it's not unusual for it to be "just you". You have this idea of what you would like, which is not a bad thing at all. You may not be able to change how you feel, but I think you can have a happy and committed relationship.

I guess I'm confused about what you want. Do you want to have a separate class at church for discussing things that aren't even doctrine? How will individuals decide they are ready for that? I see this as opening a whole big can of worms. People will want to join Level 2 French when they aren't ready for it and don't have a strong testimony of basic doctrine just so they can be hanging with the big boys. Let church do its thing. Extra studies should be on your own time, for your own progression.

That it will. True Science=True Logic=True Religion=Truth

I think a forum like this for "faith steadying", as you put it, is a great thing. I still hold the opinion we shouldn't place our testimonies in church history or weird semi-doctrine, but it can scare people. I think there is a reason those things are not discussed in Sunday School and I completely support that reason. But it's nice to have an unofficial place of sorts to turn to that helps one get perspective.

Emphasis on key doctrine, not random thoughts and musings of apostles over the years. Which is why I have no problem with going back to the Gospel Doctrine book. Are we really supposed to be using church as a place to discuss obscure ideas that may not be actual, essential, and legitimate doctrine?

One thing I heard that I always liked that ex-communication should be considered part of the repentance process and the fact that one has been exed should be no deterrent for one who wants to participate in church, perhaps even one day return to full fellowship.

As a literary snot, it bugs me. I proudly support banned books and the reasons for which they were banned.

Thank-you everyone. More specifics on the situation: My fiance's bishop is going to call the ex if he doesn't receive the letter by today. My old bishop from like 10 years ago suggested asking my fiance's bishop to contact the ex's bishop. Since we have the "today" thing right now, I'm thinking the planned wedding date for the temple will be what happens. As for chastity, my mom wants us to be doing everything we can to get the letter, because she even said last night "you two can't be just cuddling for more than a few months" which is a serious comment at the same time it's funny. I think that's our big thing: if the wait is long enough that we would fear chastity issues, we might just do a civil ceremony. However, right now, it looks like any potential delay would not go over a month, which I don't see as a problem.

I think this is where sites like staylds come into play...