JesusParadox

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Here we go, another fine Latter-day Saint man, showing his true colors. He must be a cougar!

Regardless I took it as a physical threat. Therefore, it is a physical threat, grounds to file a restraining order and a slew of other things. NOT THAT I WILL! Just saying he better put his own metaphor in to practice.

It is clear I have power over you Mr.Vort. At an older age I would expect you to have more wisdom then you have. To physically threaten me, even in around about way, shows you how much power I have over you. Like you, I also have much to learn. For starters, if I may, I think you should read the talk patience is a power. Patience Is a Great Power - Marvin J. Ashton

Physically threatening me over the internet, this is a first.

Hey, Mr.Vort just to be clear I am not mad or trying to be hurtful towards you. I was really just sticking up for yaya. Just don't like when a person gets ganged up on. That is why I said people on forum are dishonest. I clearly used too strong of words and apologize. OH and the last few posts have been for fun, I can delete if you would like. Also I enjoy reading your posts they are funny, even if they are sometimes deliberately deceptive.

Mr. Vort, are you saying you are not being deliberately deceptive? If you are indeed saying that, what do you deem as being deliberately deceptive? evidence 1: posts I said seen, when he knows I meant read Is that not being deliberately deceptive? evidence 2: When I saying shining example he wants to put it in his sig as a good thing. Is that not being deliberately deceptive? evidence 3: says I am a liar or bear false witness, implying will be judged harshly (nonsense) Is that not being deliberately deceptive? Mr. Vort this is just one thread, indeed, you are being dishonest.

"being deliberately deceptive" This is your third post in a row that you have been dishonest.

You just like being dishonest don't you!

All it takes is five minutes on these forums to realize the truth of my claims. See Vort your being dishonest in this post. You know it exactly what I meant, yet, you choose to be dishonest. You provided a shining example, sir.

YaYa, don't sweat what people on these forums say. I have seen most of them be dishonest repeatedly on these forums. Along with other offenses that are clearly not what the Lord would want. It is regular routine for them to do the opposite of what they say. I am also chief among them in making mistakes on the forums though.

Mmm excuse me guys, can you be quiet I am trying to drive and it is sprinkling. I told you guys be quiet an I am turning off my hymns! Just kidding with you Mr. Vort. I actually rear ended somebody when it was sprinkling, so I could learn from you.

That was a nice idea to offer a bag! In my ward they have decided if you get annoyed by a baby crying just help the mother.

I would find the person talking politics and engage. By engage, I mean talk politics with them, in a one on one discussion. I would, to be honest, make them look silly. Which, either way, if they get mad or not, they would not talk politics in church no more. That is just me though, I enjoy talking politics. You could always take the easy and more appropriate way, which would be, tell your Bishop.

As old as Sadusky is he will and should die in prison. This leads in to a good discussion though. Do you think we focus too much on Justice and not enough on rehabilitation? I especially want to ask PrisonChaplain, what is rehabilitation for inmates like in prison? Is there any rehabilitation?

Misshalway hit the nail on the head again! -- *I am pleading with you in what is about to follow* Please, Please, Please take a deep breath and think this through. If you go tell the Bishop it will only destroy trust in your marriage. Destroying trust over a matter as trivial as this is not worth it. Instead of going to the Bishop just express your concern to your husband. What you decide to do could be fatal to your marriage. Now I want to put things in perspective for you. Every single man has masturbated before, it is unavoidable. If a man tells you he has never masturbated in his life he is probably lying. Like Misshalway said, we make far to big of a deal about nothing. Why do you think Bishops always give the same talk to him? It is because they have all had similar struggles.

Man, that sucks, can not beat the price of BYU though. I am paying twice as much to attend ASU as a BYU students pays. Was going to attend BYU, was told I would get in, just could not get endorsement. If I were in your position I would transfer schools and it would probably look better on your resume anyway. No offense, Cougars!

I like you Misshalfway, I really do. Statements like that are so refreshing.

To be honest Arnold, that is stuff that is a spiritual killer. That is why when I am trying to be spiritual I avoid it like the plague. Here is something else to think about: what about the concentration camps? Why did that have to happen? Then once you read books about it you seen people went back to their animal instincts. There was no God in those camps, just animals trying to survive.

The reason people are terrified to do it is because it kills the facade. We are trying to put off the impression, especially women, that noting is wrong. When in reality, like you said, these women feel unappreciated. Be prepared to meet heavy resistance, for the truth is scary to them. A people so centered on image will be hard pressed to give you any information. Reality is reality. To answer your question though, I would do the survey as it is much needed.

Quit worrying about crying babies in Sacrament and focus on Christ. I will leave it at that...

It comes down to the fact, I just can not grasp how it is such a disturbance. Then again, I have an ability to zone people out. I think that is conditioned from Basic Training though. Anyways, I already decided, since it bothers so many, I will try to take them out. I will be selfless and let my Sacrament meeting be destroyed. As long as other people get spiritually nourished that is fine... I guess.

No I am just going against some BS cultural norm. The disturbance is when the baby first cries. The only way you can prevent that is if you anticipate the cries. That is highly unlikely to happen. If that is the case, taking them out serves little purpose. Other then to waste your time and make you suffer in church. For what? 20 seconds of quietness? to show people you are trying? It just seems pointless to me, waste of time.

Thirty seconds, really what is the point in taking them out? So basically people just take their kids out as a show. They are basically saying, "hey look I am trying, I am a good parent." I am not overly obsessed with my image, maybe that is why I don't take them out.

When they are as little as mine there is nothing you can do, they will cry. If you wait patiently it will end shortly. The majority of the time what parents do in the hall they can do in the chapel. It is not about me being a polite person, rather people having patience. In addition, if people don't like babies crying they can relocate in the Chapel. All it really sounds like, is you want me to be selfless, yet people don't want to be. Why should I be selfless and not you? It seems like a paradox... Then you think about, what causes more of a negative? You waiting patiently for the crying to pass or me walking out every time my baby cries?