Amillia

You stated : "You don't know squat. "I was just stating that you were right. :)

That's fine, but your Church leaders then did a 180' on this teaching with the following declaration: Now which is right, to baptise in a font for health, or not? Seems your Church can't make up it's mind. Or are you going to give me the same old "line upon line" excuse? This is because they were abusing it and changing it themselves as members. They had huge growth and sometimes very little training of leaders before they took over a huge area... Back then people were scatter from here to NY. It took weeks to travel even the smallest distance. There were many problems with trying to keep the flock in line with the principles that these ordinances were based upon. Read the NT you will see that Paul was having much the same problems.

Priests, decons, and elders have all have their duties changed. Even their ages have changed. The 70s were in every ward, and now it is only a higher calling for a GA. There was a time there was Assistance to the Apostles. And a time where there were no such thing. I believe scripture will explain these changes : ECCLESIASTES OR, THE PREACHER CHAPTER 3 To everything there is a season—Whatsoever God doeth, it shall be forever—God shall judge the righteous and the wicked. 1 TO every thing there is a season, and a btime to every purpose under the heaven: 2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

The temple garment, as well as many other things weren't to be changed, but because of the wickedness of the people, they were. Just as the law of consecration was taken away from the people and the people were given the law of tithing (which was a law of the OT or lesser law). Wickedness is why most things go backwards...even people.

Men being sealed to men is done all the time when adopted children are sealed to their fathers and mothers. Also, it is still a belief that to be sealed to a specific linage is a good and desirable thing.

If you understand 'healing' you would have to read the scriptures: Matt 9:1 AND he entered into a ship, and passed over, and came into his own city. 2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee. 3 And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth. 4 And Jesus aknowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts? 5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? You need to understand that sin can cause illness. And when one is baptised for the remission of sins or be healed spiritually as as well as physically.

#2. Why were men sealed to men prior to 1891? Known as the "Law of Adoption". John D. Lee was, for example, one of Brigham Young's "adopted" sons by sealing. A common practice. See: Manti Temple Jubilee Book of 1938 (gives the number of male to male adoptions up to that time), also: #3. Why did the LDS church teach that the temple garment wasn't to be changed, and then they changed it? #4. Why does the LDS church allow priests to bless the Sacrament, contrary to the D&C? D&C 20:46-52. A priest is only to bless the Sacrament if occasion requres when no Elders are present. I've never been to an LDS meeting where such an occasion would so require. #5. Why was the office of "Elder" originally a lesser priesthood office, only to become a Melchizedek priesthood office later? Joseph Smith said, "It was the privilege of every Elder present to be ordained to the High Priesthood." (Far West Record, 25 Oct. 1831) "A general conference was called and . . . the Lord made manifest to Joseph that it was necessary that such of the elders as were considered worthy, should be ordained to the high priesthood." (John Whitmer's History, Chapter VII., June 3, 1831) "The Melchizedek priesthood was then (June 4, 1831) for the first time introduced, and conferred on several of the elders." (John Corrill, Brief History of the Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints, 1839, Chapter 10) "...the authority of the Melchizedek Priesthood was manifested and conferred for the first time upon several of the Elders." (History of the Church, Vol. 1, pages 175-176) Sethus, You asked: Honestly? Because Because I wanted you to do your own homework. But, since you're too lazy... Good question. I know everything but squat, so you are 100% right there. But the LDS religion isn't as phony as a three dollar bill. It does take spiritual intelligence to get at the truth. And according to JENDA you are not supposed to be allowed to make personal attacks, which your stating I didn't know squat was ~ <span style=\'font-family:Geneva\'><span style=\'color:red\'>HEY JENDA EXMO is attacking me.</span>

I don't find responding to "old" and "over used" questions productive when asked by revilers, rather than sincere searching souls.These people who are asking these questions have received thousands of answers to them and they reject them. I thought everyone was smart enough to see that. I answer questions to the sincere, not the mocker. My response was neither sad nor weak to the thinking person.

I so agree. Whom ever is perfect let them cast the first stone. Now there is a good topic! PERFECT Perfect is: 32 Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. 33 And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are yein Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot.

#1. Line upon line, precept upon precept. Only a growing person would understand this concept.#2. Line upon line, precept upon precept. Only a growing person would understand this concept. #3. Wickedness of the people, certainly not wicked leadership. (3 Nephi 16:10) #4. Line upon line, precept upon precept. Only a growing person would understand this concept. #5. Line upon line, precept upon precept. Only a growing person would understand this concept. Since you are not considered a growing person in my opinion, I choose not to waste my time explaining any more. You should pray and search out these questions yourself.

It isn't about what I think you deserve. All I have done is quote scripture and teachings from those scriptures. It isn't me that condemns you. Your own guilt is evident in contrast to those teachings.And you can dance around all you like about what you believe and what you don't NOW, you have already stated what you believe many times on this board.

But by your own admissions you don't believe in Christ.

I did find my sin. I like coffee. Also...I forgot to mention...I told several white lies to a bishop and my in-laws. I told them I believed in things that I really didn't think were true, because I was a skeptic...I told those white lies because of my Christ-like compassion...so they would feel good. I thought that when it comes to Compassion, the ends justifies the means. Boy was I wrong. It was a sin. I recognize that now. So, anyway, recognizing such sins, I must have been visited by the Holy Ghost. Are you doubting my testimony of the Holy Ghost? I think I can tell the difference between a mere "emotion" and the Holy Ghost! Every good LDS person can testify to that! Every GOOD LDS can testify to that, but you admitted you weren't a Good LDS. And you know playing hokey pokey doesn't make your confessions very valid ~

Did I say "teachings"? Aw heck! I should have said "beliefs". Ooops! I suspect many LDS believe that the best government would be in a country with LDS or at least Christian inspired laws? But I do not...I agree with Setheus. And I guess you agree with Setheus too, or you would not be asking me this question? Great minds think alike, eh? I still don't get what you mean. LDS have taughtthe following teachings which cross all religious boundaries: Philip. 4: 8 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. A of F 1: 13 13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Don't worry...I didn't delete ALL of my posts. Just those nasty anti-mormon posts. The rest of my wisdom can be found scattered throughout these threads :) Thanks, Lindy! And don't worry...this is no crisis. I just figured that since certain people would not stop harassing me and calling me a sinner, even after I apologized for my anti-mormon lies, the best I could do was delete the lies and repent like a madman! It helps bring an end to certain conversations I would rather not be having, and will also help me take another vacation from LDS Talk. Thanks Snow! I sensed some sarcasm, but maybe if I explain you will understand. See there was this rumor going around that I went inactive because of sin. And I figured that my accusor was so righteous and perfect, that it must be true. So, I prayed and did some soul searching. But for some reason I couldn't find any bad sins in my life. So I concluded that I must have gone inactive because I wanted to drink coffee! Why else would a person go inactive, except because they enjoy sin? It couldn't possibly be because they do not believe in the LDS Church's claims, because the LDS Church is self-evidently true. The LDS Gospel is so much more realistic than every other religion! Angels visiting farmboys. People coming back from the dead. A virgin who gives birth. Native Americans being of Middle Eastern origin. See what I mean? The LDS make such logical claims, which are so consistent with the things we see in the world today, and I fail to understand why anyone would have doubts about its truthfulness! So why would ANYONE go inactive? It must be sin. In my case, it must be coffee, because I wasn't able to think of any other serious sins I might have committed :) In order to really acknowledge sin, you need the Holy Ghost and that is why you were unable to find any sin. Doesn't mean there isn't lots and lots. :)

What in Setheus's post was there anything against LDS teachings? Could you please point them out?

So Hokey is okey? I find your 'disrespect' sad, but par for the course you have chosen. Call it what you like, you are on a downward spiral. I would recommend: The Hokey Pokey (LaPrise-Macak-Baker) ----------------------------- Everybody form a circle... Put your left foot in, Your left foot out, Your left foot in, And shake it all about. You do the hokey pokey And turn yourself around. Now put your right foot in, Your right foot out, Right foot in Then you shake it all about. And then you do the Hokey Pokey Turn yourself around, That's what it's all about. You put your head in, You put your head out, Put your head in, And bang it all about. Do the Hokey Pokey And turn yourself around. That's what it's all about. Let's Do the Hokey Pokey! Let's Do the Hokey Pokey! Let's Do the Hokey Pokey! That's what it's all about. Put your right hand in, Your right hand out, Your right hand in, And shake it all about, You do the Hokey Pokey, And you turn yourself around. Now put your tongue in, And your tongue out, Tongue in, And Blblblblbl! You do the Hokey Pokey Turn yourself around That's what it's all about. You put your bottom in, Put your bottom out, Put your bottom in, You put your bottom out, Put your bottom in, You put your bottom out, Put your bottom in, You put your bottom out, Put your bottom in, You put your bottom out, Put your bottom in, You put your bottom out, Put your bottom in, You put your bottom out, Do the Hokey Pokey, Turn yourself about. Let's do the Hokey Pokey! Let's do the Hokey Pokey! Let's do the Hokey Pokey! That's what it's all about.

So which is better ~ a perfect fraud or an imperfect fraud? To be or not to be a perfect fraud?

That would be a refreshing change, an actual Mormon who could tell them what being a Mormon is really like. That's why I love the Mormon movie makers, like the ones who did "home teacher" and stuff like that. LOL

PERFECT FRAUD

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End of discussion. Church and State need to be unified. And I am not talking about just Christianity and State. I am talking about One True Church and State. In the next election, we need Hinckley or one of our Apostles to run for President of the United States. Brigham Young proved that unity of church and state works great! Look at SLC under his leadership. Those were the good old days. Imagine if the ENTIRE NATION could be like 19th Century SLC! An LDS Government led by our Prophet would be the next best thing to Elohim himself being elected President. I'm talking about a Utopia, man. hmmmmm.

hmmmmmmm.

Hokey sin.

Since I repented, I feel I can post in this thread. Yes, Amillia, I agree with you. There must be a resurrection where our bodies will be restored to our spirit into it's perfect frame...by this, I believe this means we will be in our mid-20's. At this point we will be judged...THEN...IF WE ARE WORTHY...we will gain an exalted body. The rest will go to the lower kingdoms in their "perfect" (but not exalted) bodies. It wouldn't make much sense if everyone got an exalted body before they were judged! They will be quickened, however, and receive the fulnes of that glory. (section 88) BTW is being hokey a sin (I ask only because you seem to have become the king of all the rules on this subject!)