LeSellers

As I said, I like Harrison Ford, as an actor. Lehi

I asked a question. I take responsibility for that. How others respond is their business. And how, one might ask, is Harrison Ford's broken leg supposed to be fun? Lehi

It's hard to imagine Planned unParenthood's doing "the right thing", ever! Lehi

This was based on (and, as best I can tell, reliably) a real event. Lehi

Glad I never did. What a cesspool! Lehi

It's not the questions that lead to the apparent conclusion, it's more the way you present them. You seem to be saying that the Temple covenants of sealing have no real value. That's not at all correct. No one will be exalted without them. They happen in the Temples and no where else. They happen under the authority of the keys of the Priesthood, and by no other men. Those are absolutes. They cannot be changed, not even by God Himself (except, when we're too poor to build a Temple, He can dedicate a place for that purpose temporarily). No one has all the answers. Please don't take offense at the wording of this almost-a-joke, but the Jewish sages say that one fool can ask more questions than ten wise men can answer. In this case, it means that we can ask questions that we cannot understand the answers. Asking the questions isn't wrong, it's just futile. We have tried to answer as best we can. No, the answers are not perfect, and they are certainly not complete. But, as far as I can tell, they are correct within the limits of what we know. Lehi

They are, but it's not because no one is discussing it with them. Parents do (not all, but most), YM/YW leaders do, bishops do, stake president do, general authorities do. If they aren't listening, it's not the faults of those who have undertaken to tell them that the only legitimate sex is with one's spouse. Handing out condoms or any other form of birth control/infection protection sends the wrong message. No one wants a young woman to get pregnant. No one wants a young man or a young woman to get a venereal disease. But if he does, that's a direct consequence of his breaking the Low of Chastity, not a lack of knowledge. That pregnancy or disease is not unique to the uninformed: every grtf-welfare school teaches the birds'n'the bees, and millions of their coerced inmates get pregnant and get infected every year anyway. Lehi

We teach it because it's easy to understand. Many never get beyond that "primary answer". It is about much, much more that the ritual, and (given that these same ordinances were done on mountains and in an upper room) it's not about the place, per se, either*. It's about the Priesthood and the covenants, both the promises we make and the promises He makes if we observe the rules. * These alternative sites were approved, and so, for all intents and purposes, they were Temples, at the time. How hard life is has little to do with Temple covenants. Everyone faces hardships, but the Temples give us more reason to overcome them. Where is important because God has established His Temples as the unique places on the earth where such covenants can be made. They are the only places no the earth where His Priesthood officiates in these ordinances. So,it boils down to who is authorized to act for God in this matter. Right now, the only man on the face of the earth who holds the keys of the ordinances, of these covenants, is Thomas S. Monson. He has delegated authority to a few hundred or thousand men around the world to perform them, but it is solely by the keys he holds that they are of value. Lehi

There was no one here pointing it out two years ago, either. Again, it's not Mr. Ford. I like his movies (I despise his politics, but I like his work). It's the misplaced concern. It's putting him in a special class of person with no rational reason for that categorization. Lehi

So, you're like the furniture store that advertised "Credit offered on purchases solely to septuagenarians accompanied by both parents!"? Lehi

The fees are relatively small. The GOP/RNC has lawyers, too, and they know the rules. But, as I see it, the issue here is sauce for goose v. sauce for gander: if the Left wants to force some people to provide artistic services (e.g., bakers. pizza parlors, photographers) against the artist's wishes, then all artists must comply with the same rules, including musicians and singers. And they have no more right to complain than the former groups. In fact, it seems they have less right to complain because they have offered licensure to the public and their recorded performances do not require any explicit effort on their parts. It's more than a matter of getting paid for the art/effort. A baker, for instance, must make a different cake for each wedding, but a singer doesn't go to the convention, he doesn't even have to send the CD — the user buys a downloaded version (if not a CD) and the artist has nothing to do with the transaction at all. Lehi

We assume that you have chosen "to go through a ceremony in a specific building". If there is no advantage of making and keeping Temple covenants, why does Father command us to make them? If a Temple marriage (more than just the ordinance and ceremony) do nothing for us, why does He command us to build the buildings and use them as He directs? There are good people in all churches and in no church at all, but they cannot get the blessings unless they follow the commandments, just as we do. They will not be condemned for the failure, but they cannot be blessed, either. Were we to extend your argument, there is no reason to be baptized, or to take the Sacrament. I mean, they're good people, right? Lehi

Only because of the prophets who've mentioned it. That's neither true nor fair. It isn't Ford's "mishap" that was the issue there, it was the undue focus thereon. I mean, why spend time worrying about something that's a total non-issue: the leg's completely healed. It wasn't a problem before the "announcement", and those most worried about it didn't even notice it isn't an issue now (with all the healing having gone on). Yes, I like to make people think beyond their prejudices. That doesn't make everything a soapbox issue. Lehi

This is also an important concept: a God Who died?!? Not much of a God, was He? Lehi

No, He wouldn't have died due to old age. He was immortal, and, because sinless, eternal. His mortality, a requirement of the office of Redeemer*, was not the more powerful of the genetic gifts from His parents. His Father, God Himself, gave Him immortality, and that was, by far, the dominant trait. * He must have had the competing and mutually exclusive abilities to live and to die. Without mortality, He could not have made the sacrifice, and without immortality, His death would not have been a sacrifice. Lehi

Spacey was plagiarizing Nephi. 2 Nephi 28:22 Lehi

Indeed. We all know the scripture "give me therefore thine honor." This is not so clear. He was kicked out of the Kingdom, but when, in relationship to the presentation of the Great Plan of Happiness, is not explicitly revealed. It is possible that he was expelled before Jesus presented His Father's plan to us. Remember, it was his rebellion that got him rejected, not his plan, per se. I believe he did not. Even if he did, however, his ego, his pride, got in the way of his knowledge. He believes he is better than Jesus, better than Father, and better than any of us. Recall his words in the Temple where he imagines that none can challenge him. Lehi

Yet, if there were some way to force you to rank your grandfather and Ramone, I'd hope your grandfather came in above the singer. And, as I said earlier, you're missing the point. That point being that Ford, Ramone or anyone else doesn't deserve your worry or mourning any more than the kid in East Ipswich: you don't know either one personally and his death or healed broken leg does not change anything you do in your daily life. There are those whose adoration of, say, Elvis Presley borders on worship. Graceland is a pilgrimage, no less than Mecca is a Hajj. At what point does this worry become idol worship? Lehi

It also refutes the LeSellers doesn't follow the commandment to love thy rich neighbor. There's a huge lack of understanding goin' on 'roun' heyah. Lehi

How, prithee? Would it impact your income, your spirituality, your health? Would your children suffer, or your mother-in-law forgive you? It would not even impact your enjoyment of his works, that's why there is film and DVDs and Blu-Ray® discs. Harrison Ford is just another man. He's not as important than your son, he's not more important than your neighbor five doors down. But people are willing to spend hours worrying about his broken leg (which has probably healed already; this happened in April). Just does not make sense. Lehi

Mind reading again? Lehi

You make the case. People worry about that which they know. And worry can be and often is, manipulated. Why, one must wonder, do "magazines" like The Enquirer make money? Lehi

But why not worry about a child in South Ipswich? Harrison Ford has a pile of resources, he will recover just fine. That poor kiddo may not live. Harrison Ford is not more important than you, and if he were to die, it would not change the world one iota. But that child might have been the one who proves that freedom is a good thing. Lehi

And we should spend a lot of time worrying about a single person's injury (a person likely none of us knows), exactly why? Lehi

The "three-fold mission of the Church" was, in reality, a one-fold mission with three phases: improve all mankind so each could enter the Celestial Kingdom (or, at least, give them the opportunity to do so). This includes the "quick and the dead" (living and dead) and, once members of the Church of Jesus Christ, to "perfect" them through temple ordinances. (President Monson's addition of "Care for the poor and the needy" extends the last: a man who's hungry cannot focus on the things of the Kingdom.) No matter how we see it, "life", from Father's PoV, is eternity: His children must be given a fair chance at coming home, and, if we don't make the ordinances possible, now that we have access to them, and the ability to build the Temples and do the work, than we are unworthy of the blessings we've received. Lehi