Doctor Steuss

This is pretty close to my beliefs (although they are currently slightly in flux).

Thank goodness there's that "as" thrown in there so we know that it is a simile and don't have to even debate whether or not He is a bird.

Essentially, Metatron is a "lesser YHWH." Here's the wiki entry on "Metatron."

Offenders for a Word by Ricks and Peterson. Also, The Gainsayers by Evenson. And, The Worlds of Joseph Smith -- don't know who the editor is (it is a collection of essays delivered at the little congress dilly they had).

Both are "mysteries." (Ephesians 5:32) But, I see what you're saying, the two concepts don't really go together all that well. Perhaps I should have said: I assume that once I figure out how a group of anthropomorphic mortals can be "one," in the same way that Christ and the Father are one, then I might be able to slowly figure out the "oneness" of the Father and the Son... (John 17:21-22)

I assume that once I figure out how two anthropomorphic mortals can be "one flesh," then I might be able to slowly figure out the "oneness" of the Father and the Son... (Genesis 2:24 & Mark 10: 8)

I think all of us are ultimately going to be guilty of it at one point or another. Often in religious dialogue, the stakes are fairly high and emotions will inadvertently find their way in on occasion.

"Son of Man" is used to denote a Metatron figure in Enoch, and often in other places. From Ma Barker's "Older Testament": "If the Enochic tradition was rooted in a royal cult, a great deal of the picture of Jesus begins to fit together very well. He was hailed as a king and a miracle worker, and remembered as a magician with extraordinary powers. The Son of Man figure also occurs in the Christian tradition but is not necassirly directly related to, or derived from, the SImilitues in the Book of Enoch...Enoch himself sees the secrets of heaven, how the kingdoms are divdided and the actions of men weighed. The spirit of wisdom is in the Elect One who stads in the presence of God. A component of this wisdom is the name of the Son of Man, which we have assumed to be the revelation of his identity. It could as easily be read as the revelation of a name, in the magical sense of a power-giving invocation...as the key to the cosmic oath A name in this sense fits well into a context of heavenly secrets and judgement, and the sense of the passages would then be that this name of the Son of Man was a powerful tool in the process of judging evil...The oath is the means of creating order; the sea and the depths are made fast, the sun and moon keep their courses, the winds and weathers obey and all Glorify the Lord of Spirits. This great oath can only be understood in the light of the magical tradition which it most closely resembles, where the oath is the means of binding the fallen spirits who operate through natural phenomenena, in order to make them serve a higher purpose. To be initiated into the oath gives great power; knowing the angelic names enables the initiate to summon and bind the spirtis in his service, by means of the even greater name whose authority he uses." Also, "Son of Man" is used 94 times in Ezekiel to refer to Ezekien and not Yahweh. IIRC, Geza Vermes (professor emeritus of Jewish studies at Wolfson College, Oxford) thinks that the term "Son of Man" in the Gospels is completely unrelated to the usage in the Hebrew Bible. He believes it originates in Aramaic ("bar nasha").

I thought the New Testament said that Jesus would do this. Is there a scriptorian on duty? Hi Moksha, This is from Chapter 46 of Gospel Principles (with a nod of appreciation to "Still_Small_Voice" at LDSForums for making this readily available): "The Apostle John taught that “the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son” (John 5:22). The Son, in turn, will call upon others to assist in the Judgment. The Twelve who were with him in his ministry will judge the twelve tribes of Israel (see Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:30). The Nephite Twelve will judge the Nephite and Lamanite people (see 1 Nephi 12:9–10; Mormon 3:18–19). President John Taylor said the First Presidency and the Twelve Apostles in our own dispensation will also judge us." As Michael/Adam was a member of the Divine Council, I imagine he might have a few important duties to perform in the hereafter as well (even perhaps standing as a judge of sorts). On a quasi-side-note, in Chapter 20 of the Book of Enoch, it says that Michael “who, presiding over human virtue, commands the nations.”

GAIA: It's really good -- May i have your permission to quote you in the future, with it? You are certainly welcome to.

GAIA: That's really very good, Doctor -- May i ask, did you come up with it, or is it a quote from someone? Just a little something that came to me when reading Ephesians (namely chapter 2) a while back. I wouldn't be surprised though if there was someone else out there who has picked up on the "united consciousness" and has proposed a similar analogy.

<div align="center">Last time I saw youWe had just split in two You were looking at me I was looking at you You had a way so familiar But I could not recognize 'Cause you had blood on your face I had blood in my eyes But I could swear by your expression That the pain down in your soul Was the same as the one down in mine That's the pain That cuts a straight line down through the heart We call it love </div>Believe it or not, I do occasionally take breaks from watching off-Broadway musical theater productions to read Plato (I know, it’s hard for me to believe too…).

Tannerism.

I can't believe you just said the above.

Mosiah 2 20 I say unto you, my brethren, that if you should render all the thanks and praise which your whole soul has power to possess, to that God who has created you, and has kept and preserved you, and has caused that ye should rejoice, and has granted that ye should live in peace one with another— 21 I say unto you that if ye should serve him who has created you from the beginning, and is preserving you from day to day, by lending you breath, that ye may live and move and do according to your own will, and even supporting you from one moment to another—I say, if ye should serve him with all your whole souls yet ye would be unprofitable servants. 2 Nephi 10 24 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, reconcile yourselves to the will of God, and not to the will of the devil and the flesh; and remember, after ye are reconciled unto God, that it is only in and through the grace of God that ye are saved

The great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of God's light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals. First Presidency statement, Feb. 15, 1978.

Grace is the foundation, faith is the walls and works are the roof. Without grace, the whole structrure tumbles. Without faith, the roof cannot stand. Without works, there is nothing to prevent the rain from getting in. [edited for typo]

I get an email every 2-3 days from "LDS News." http://www.lds.org/listservices

Review of "Book of Mormon Christology" Appendix A and Appendix B of this paper do a fairly good job.

It is now online here. The only down-side is that it works similar to that of Dialogue's online archive. But it is a priceless resource, and given the cost for the volumes, to have it available for free is wonderful. Enjoy.

Do you mean he thought Adam was a heretofore undisclosed God? To be honest, I'm not quite sure what he was teaching, and I doubt I'll ever really figure it out. There are too many little pieces that never really seem to fit for me. That's why I usually try to be sure to always refer to it as the Adam-God Theory. BCSpace and John W. were discussing their different interpretations over on MA&D about it. I wish I could remember the thread... [edited for typing error]

Someone please help me! I am so elated I did a little hop and a skip, forgetting I am no longer in my 20s. And now I've fallen, and I can't get up! Elphaba LOL! I know what you mean. I've been running around to all of the message boards I post on letting them know. This is so awesome that it's online now! Only thing that stinks is that it works similar to Dialogue's online archive for back-issues. But, it still ROCKS!

Yippee! http://www.lib.byu.edu/Macmillan/

Where things get sticky with this subject is that it was evident that Brigham did not equate Adam with Eloheim (nor YHWH).

This reminds me of a piece of Plato's dialogue Symposium: Now the sexes were three, and such as I have described them; because the sun, moon, and earth are three;-and the man was originally the child of the sun, the woman of the earth, and the man-woman of the moon, which is made up of sun and earth, and they were all round and moved round and round: like their parents. Terrible was their might and strength, and the thoughts of their hearts were great, and they made an attack upon the gods; of them is told the tale of Otys and Ephialtes who, as Homer says, dared to scale heaven, and would have laid hands upon the gods. Doubt reigned in the celestial councils. Should they kill them and annihilate the race with thunderbolts, as they had done the giants, then there would be an end of the sacrifices and worship which men offered to them; but, on the other hand, the gods could not suffer their insolence to be unrestrained.