Doctor Steuss

Hold me closer tiny Jesus Count the angels in the heavens Lay me down in clouds of glory You had a busy day today

If you haven't read The Articles of Faith, I think it is one (if not the one) that everyone should read.

I couldn't see where anyone had posted Mike Ash's MormonFortress article yet: http://www.mormonfortress.com/evolution.pdf

Nope.... at least I don't think I do.

I don't know exactly who it is telling the story (unless of course, you are referring to the Book of Moses, in which it seems that it is G-d the Father. Genesis almost seems to be the divine council [or at least more than one deity] telling the story). Moses 1:33-35 have always been a bit enigmatic to me. Especially verse 34. It almost makes it sound as if there have been many worlds, and men created (apart from this earth), but the first was named “Adam.” In a way, it almost makes it sound as if “Adam” wasn’t part of this sphere. *shrugs* Here’s a bit from “Mercer Dictionary of the Bible” (Mills & Bullard, pg. 274) that you might find interesting:

I didn't know they put out a hardcopy publication of the speeches. Groovy. BTW, my post is a link to the speech (for those without the book cited by Hemidoakota).

You may enjoy this: The Creation of Humankind, and Allegory?: A Note on Abraham 5:7, 14–16

Our Relationship with the Lord - Bruce R. McConkie

One thing that I think is often forgotten when analyzing verses in the Book of Mormon is that the writers weren't LDS. Their Christology does not necessarily have to line up with our own. “Line upon line…”

Brant Gardner has a groovy compilation of witness statements here:Translation Method Ricks has a pretty short treatment here: http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/pdf.php?filename=OTAxMTMxMDg5LTItMi5wZGY=&type=amJtcw In the end, about the closest thing you'll get (as far as the actual process by which he translated) is D&C 9:8.

*Grabs mop*

As long as the kings, presidents, rulers, magistrates, or laws don't conflict with Mark 12 : 29-30 (or other such directives), then I'd say that it still is in full effect.

Abraham 3:19 Hebrews 1:4-6 Moses 1:39 (He increases in Glory, so no he has not always “existed” as He is now). Both. John 17:3 and John 20:28 Isaiah 14:12 and D&C 76:25 Romans 8:17

Stichomancy at its finest.

So tell me, who receives this "gift"? Is there nothing one must do to obtain it?

Dale (a poster here) is a member of the CoC. Anything that isn't answered by their website could probably be answered by him (you can find him in the memberlist and send him a PM in needed).

I think you might want to pick up a copy of the "Blacks in the Scriptures" DVD. It might help answer some of your questions. The price is a little steep, but I think it's worth it. Blacks in the Scriptures - Black / Negro Mormon LDS history & Doctrine

I think you might enjoy it (however, I will not be held accountable if you take the time to read it and feel it was a waste of your time). Essentially, he attempts to show that the BoM follows a given DH tradition.Biblical Scholarship Supports

Snow, have you read George Potter's views regarding the Documentary Hypothesis when applied to the Book of Mormon?

I think there are probably historic aspects contained in it. I think that there was/is indeed an "Adam" (but as to who and where "Adam" was/is is a different story). But, you are in fairly good company in regards to believing (at least some of) Genesis to be Allegory:"You believe Adam was made of the dust of this earth. This I do not believe, though it s supposed that it is so written in the Bible; but it is not, to my understanding. You can write that information to the States, if you please-that I have publicly declared that I do not believe that portion of the Bible as the Christian world do. I never did, and I never want to. What is the reason I do not? Because I have come to understanding, and banished from my mind all the baby stories my mother taught me when I was a child." --Brother Brigham (Journal of Discourses, vol.2, p.6) Unfortunately, you are also in some fairly bad company in regards to believing (at least some of... or most of) Genesis to be Allegory/mythoi. Moi.

FYI, the Book of Enoch (at least in Ethiopic) was found long ago and an English translation has been available since the early 1800's (a cheap paperback copy of Richard Laurence's [the archbishop of Cashel] revised 1842 translation can be bought through Archive Publishers).

Genesis 2:10-14 is the main relevant text (or Moses 3:10-14 for a strictly LDS counterpart). It essentially gives four rivers: Pison (or "Pishon"), Gihon, Hiddekel (or "Tigris"), and Euphrates. The text also names the lands of "Havilah," "Ethiopia," and "Assyria." From an LDS perspective, one can hypothesize that Noah and company named geographical landmarks in the “Old World” after landmarks that they knew in the “New World.” Or perhaps Joseph told the saints that the Garden of Eden was in Independence, Missouri in order to help bring them comfort during a difficult time (as I don’t know of anyone who has spotted any flaming swords in the area… yet).

I'm guessing you stop reading around the time it starts quoting from Isaiah?Try just skipping over that, and pick up after it's through.

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